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Started by Pakuni, March 19, 2021, 12:42:29 PM

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MU82

Quote from: Strokin 3s on March 20, 2021, 11:38:06 PM
This aged poorly

The last sentence did, that's for sure. I just thought it was impossible for an absolutely loaded Texas team to lose to a team full of tiny, talent-shy players. Silly me.
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Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2021, 12:22:03 AM
The last sentence did, that's for sure. I just thought it was impossible for an absolutely loaded Texas team to lose to a team full of tiny, talent-shy players. Silly me.


Maybe it was the Texas coaching.

/ducks/

MUCam

Old article but a good one. Warning: It is a long read. Never underestimate a Jesuit connection. #smoke

https://www.mlive.com/projects/john-beilein/

My draft board currently reads:

1. Beilein
2. Matta
3. Shaka
4. Moser
5. Kelsey
6. Craig Smith
7. Gates
8. Surprise HC
9. Up and coming Assistant
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106. Jon Scheyer
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111. Mbakwe
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137. Dukiet's Reincarnated Body
138. Tom Crean
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781. Ners

TAMU, Knower of Ball

The more I think about Beilein, the less I think he's the guy. I just think that thugs business with the Cavs is really going to hamper him on the recruiting trail
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GOO

I'd be fine with Crean. He wouldn't be halfway out the door every year at this time. That being said, this is at his MO, so he could have no interest in our job and just be using it as leverage or to say see others want me, just like he did every year at MU.

The constant rumors of him leaving definitely hurt recruiting, in my opinion. 



Bad_Reporter

Is there any coaches in the Southern California area we might want to talk to?

Tums Festival

Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 20, 2021, 10:52:37 PM

Agreed. My first choice of realistic candidates is still Dennis Gates because he has shown he can coach and recruit at a higher level, but I would be OK with Smith or Moser too.

Dennis Gates would be an excellent hire.

And for those who are saying he doesn't have enough experience as a head coach, he'd come to Marquette with more D-1 head coaching experience than Hank Raymonds, Majerus, KO, Crean, Brent, and Steve had combined when they were hired as Marquette's head coach.
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cheebs09

Quote from: GOO on March 21, 2021, 09:27:33 AM
I'd be fine with Crean. He wouldn't be halfway out the door every year at this time. That being said, this is at his MO, so he could have no interest in our job and just be using it as leverage or to say see others want me, just like he did every year at MU.

The constant rumors of him leaving definitely hurt recruiting, in my opinion.

I think Crean would crawl on broken glass from Athens for the MU job. His comments at the 100 year anniversary makes me think there's a part of him that wishes he never left.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: cheebs09 on March 21, 2021, 10:08:08 AM
I think Crean would crawl on broken glass from Athens for the MU job. His comments at the 100 year anniversary makes me think there's a part of him that wishes he never left.

Buyers remorse is very high.  He'd probably still be our coach if he didn't run to Indiana.

JWags85

Quote from: Tums Festival on March 21, 2021, 09:46:51 AM
Dennis Gates would be an excellent hire.

And for those who are saying he doesn't have enough experience as a head coach, he'd come to Marquette with more D-1 head coaching experience than Hank Raymonds, Majerus, KO, Crean, Brent, and Steve and Al had combined when they were hired as Marquette's head coach.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 21, 2021, 09:40:11 AM
Is there any coaches in the Southern California area we might want to talk to?

Bo Ryan is in Palm Springs

MUCam

There is no one that would be worse in my mind than Tom Crean. No one.

Getting back together with the girlfriend/boyfriend that dumped you for the dude/chick with shiny new car makes for bad TV.

He isn't even that good of a coach. Truly. Not that good.

I don't think I'm alone in saying that Crean back to MU might be more detrimental than retaining Wojo. Maybe I'm wrong. I fear I'm not.

As a final note: I truly appreciated Crean's years here. I think he gets a bad rap on many things. He was great for this program at a time the program needed it. But, he's history. Going back to him is sad and pathetic.

tower912

Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 21, 2021, 09:40:11 AM
Is there any coaches in the Southern California area we might want to talk to?

Cronin?    He seems to be doing fairly well at the moment.
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Quote from: cheebs09 on March 21, 2021, 10:08:08 AM
I think Crean would crawl on broken glass from Athens for the MU job. His comments at the 100 year anniversary makes me think there's a part of him that wishes he never left.

I got the same impression at the 100 year event.

I hope he's not the choice...

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Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2021, 10:19:21 AM
Cronin?    He seems to be doing fairly well at the moment.

My guess is it's a Stan reference. 

Pakuni

Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 21, 2021, 09:40:11 AM
Is there any coaches in the Southern California area we might want to talk to?

Pasternack? He was at Arizona when they were buying players, so that may make him a persona non grata in the administration's eyes.

tower912

The return of Crean would be epic, just to watch the number of exploding heads around here.     Just like Leitao returning to DePaul.   What could possibly go wrong?    Hell, it might be enough to even bring Jamie back as himself.     

I haven't seen any indication that Crean has become a better coach.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

GooooMarquette

Quote from: MUCam on March 21, 2021, 10:17:42 AM
There is no one that would be worse in my mind than Tom Crean. No one.

Getting back together with the girlfriend/boyfriend that dumped you for the dude/chick with shiny new car makes for bad TV.

He isn't even that good of a coach. Truly. Not that good.

I don't think I'm alone in saying that Crean back to MU might be more detrimental than retaining Wojo. Maybe I'm wrong. I fear I'm not.

As a final note: I truly appreciated Crean's years here. I think he gets a bad rap on many things. He was great for this program at a time the program needed it. But, he's history. Going back to him is sad and pathetic.


Not sure he would be the worst choice, but I agree it's a bad idea. See, e.g., Dave Leitao. Surprising success at DePaul (including a C-USA title in 2004), left for the ACC and disappointed, came back to resurrect the 'sleeping giant' and failed miserably.

(And no - I am not saying Leitao was ever as successful as Crean. But DePaul would have been more than satisfied if he just matched the success he had the first time around - in the dance or at least near the bubble. Instead, his second go-around was an unmitigated disaster - 0 NCAA or NIT bids in six seasons.)

warriorfred

A significant portion of this Board heaved a collective sigh of relief when Crean left for IU.

He was a good recruiter and a good program administrator; in-game coach, not so much (go watch the Stanford NCAA Tournament game if you can stomach it).  I had a co-worker from IU that gave me a ton o' cr** when they hired Crean.  I said, I'll talk to you in 4 years, and I patiently waited.  Then I returned the favor when IU was eliminated early in the tournament. 

I thank Crean for the work he did at Marquette, but it was time to move-on many, may years ago.

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 21, 2021, 12:12:58 AM
Moser eventually hired Milnati and Mullins to fill his AUU gap which elevated his program. Again, he learned and morphed.

This is one of the reasons I continue to be a supporter of Moser to MU. I do not get the Shaka love here. Perhaps one of his supporters can explain exactly what evidence there is that he has learned and morphed? He and Wojo seem to have that problem in common.

The concerns as to whether or not he can recruit at a high level are legit but- there is this position known as Assistant Coach. Get one with high level recruiting experience to help Moser on another learning and morphing task.
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Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2021, 10:30:57 AM
The return of Crean would be epic, just to watch the number of exploding heads around here.     Just like Leitao returning to DePaul.   What could possibly go wrong?    Hell, it might be enough to even bring Jamie back as himself.     

I haven't seen any indication that Crean has become a better coach.

I'd pay to see 4evers' reaction when TTT moves in next store.