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Started by Pakuni, March 19, 2021, 12:42:29 PM

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DefinitelyNotPorterMoser

Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2021, 10:30:20 PM
Just because Wojo wasn't a good enough coach to get the most out of his top-25 classes, it doesn't mean top-25 classes should be avoided.

Coaching well and recruiting well aren't mutually exclusive notions.

Right, but all I'm saying is that we shouldn't think that Moser can't recruit because he didn't have highly ranked classes at Loyola. When you're the coach of Loyola, you have to sell yourself, the school, the league ... at schools like Marquette (and other high majors), it's more about you as a coach.

5DollarPitcher

Why so worried about Moser's recruiting? Jordan brand team in the Big East in an NBA arena, potentially hobnobbing with the back-to-back NBA MVP pretty much recruits itself.

Besides, I'm of the belief that a good coach matters far more than 5 star recruits (which we've seen play out over the last seven years).

GooooMarquette

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 20, 2021, 10:48:38 PM
Why so worried about Moser's recruiting? Jordan brand team in the Big East in an NBA arena, potentially hobnobbing with the back-to-back NBA MVP pretty much recruits itself.

Besides, I'm of the belief that a good coach matters far more than 5 star recruits (which we've seen play out over the last seven years).


Agreed. My first choice of realistic candidates is still Dennis Gates because he has shown he can coach and recruit at a higher level, but I would be OK with Smith or Moser too.

Pakuni

Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2021, 10:30:20 PM
Just because Wojo wasn't a good enough coach to get the most out of his top-25 classes, it doesn't mean top-25 classes should be avoided.

Coaching well and recruiting well aren't mutually exclusive notions.

Sure, but not landing top 25 classes at Loyola isn't an indictment of Porter's recruiting.  Nobody lands top 25, or even top 50 classes in the MVC, including Gregg Marshall.
The best way to measure that is relative to one's peers, and Moser has landed the #1 or #2 class in the conference five years running. 
Moser isn't my first, second or maybe even third choice, fwiw.

JakeBarnes

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MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2021, 10:53:58 PM
Sure, but not landing top 25 classes at Loyola isn't an indictment of Porter's recruiting.  Nobody lands top 25, or even top 50 classes in the MVC, including Gregg Marshall.
The best way to measure that is relative to one's peers, and Moser has landed the #1 or #2 class in the conference five years running. 
Moser isn't my first, second or maybe even third choice, fwiw.

That's legit, Pak.
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MU82

Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 20, 2021, 11:01:35 PM
I'd take Shaka regardless.

I think I would, too. But still ... this would be worse than any loss Wojo suffered if it happens.

All that hype for Shaka ... and 6 years without a single NCAAT win ... and we'd hire him to replace a coach who was fired cuz he couldn't win NCAAT games?
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brewcity77

Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2021, 11:07:06 PM
I think I would, too. But still ... this would be worse than any loss Wojo suffered if it happens.

All that hype for Shaka ... and 6 years without a single NCAAT win ... and we'd hire him to replace a coach who was fired cuz he couldn't win NCAAT games?

He's so enamored with the idea of a second shot at Marquette that he's willing to dump this ACU game just to get an interview!
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NolongerWarriors

Smart is thoroughly unimpressive and Texas underachieved just as badly as MU did in Wojo's NCAA appearances.

MU82

Quote from: NolongerWarriors on March 20, 2021, 11:11:18 PM
Smart is thoroughly unimpressive and Texas underachieved just as badly as MU did in Wojo's NCAA appearances.

Yeah, it's pretty hard to watch his significantly more talented team get thoroughly outworked by AC and say, "Wow, there's the coach we gotta get!"

Having said that, if Texas somehow wins and goes on to have a nice tourney ... good March runs are filled with close calls early in tournaments.
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forgetful


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Pakuni

Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 20, 2021, 11:01:35 PM
I'd take Shaka regardless.

Wojo: "I've had some bad losses in the NCAA tournament. "
Shaka: "Hold my beer ..."

DegenerateDish

Shaka is going to be MU's next coach.

MU82

Humiliated by a D2 school. Wow.
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Strokin 3s

Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2021, 09:15:26 PM
Do we want Shaka if he loses to Abilene Christian, giving him as many NCAA wins in 6 years at Texas as Wojo had in 7 years at Marquette?

He ain't gonna lose, though.

This aged poorly

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 20, 2021, 10:48:38 PM
Why so worried about Moser's recruiting? Jordan brand team in the Big East in an NBA arena, potentially hobnobbing with the back-to-back NBA MVP pretty much recruits itself.

Besides, I'm of the belief that a good coach matters far more than 5 star recruits (which we've seen play out over the last seven years).

Nail on the head. I also think he has come to the realization through experience and failure that you have to recruit talent, but also mentality. He would have greater access to talent at MU, but wouldn't sacrifice on the mentality. He doesn't need a major boost in resources to get it done IMO, but in MU he would have all that he needed and more.

forgetful

#442
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
Shaka is going to be MU's next coach.

I think you are right, obviously a controversial choice.

ChitownSpaceForRent

Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
Shaka is going to be MU's next coach.

I don't think you're wrong. Just a gut feeling.

JWags85

Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2021, 11:23:30 PM
How about Joe Golding?

Nah, but when TCU is finally done with the Jamie Dixon experiment, he should be a factor

Tha Hound

If we hire Shaka (there's no way, just no way) I might honestly have to step away from this program for a while. Makes absolutely no sense when you take a step back and look at his history. Especially after paying so much to can wojo. Would be an unbelievably boneheaded move after the events of the last 48 hours

fjm

Who do I want as our coach?

Moser
Or VCU coach Mike Rhoades

Will I be upset if it's Shaka?
Nope.

forgetful

Quote from: JWags85 on March 20, 2021, 11:45:31 PM
Nah, but when TCU is finally done with the Jamie Dixon experiment, he should be a factor

Honestly was joking, but he would be a good coach at TCU.

Shooter McGavin

Quote from: Tha Hound on March 20, 2021, 11:47:30 PM
If we hire Shaka (there's no way, just no way) I might honestly have to step away from this program for a while. Makes absolutely no sense when you take a step back and look at his history. Especially after paying so much to can wojo. Would be an unbelievably boneheaded move after the events of the last 48 hours

Agreed.  Would not make a lot of sense. 

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2021, 10:53:58 PM
Sure, but not landing top 25 classes at Loyola isn't an indictment of Porter's recruiting.  Nobody lands top 25, or even top 50 classes in the MVC, including Gregg Marshall.
The best way to measure that is relative to one's peers, and Moser has landed the #1 or #2 class in the conference five years running. 
Moser isn't my first, second or maybe even third choice, fwiw.

Moser eventually hired Milnati and Mullins to fill his AUU gap which elevated his program. Again, he learned and morphed.