Question on Lovell

[The Sultan]

It's embarrassing that you graduated from Marquette.  I don't care if Lovell discussed hoops with some random alum or not but the argument that as President he has too many other priorities to have knowledge of the basketball team is ridiculous.

I was under the impression that Marquette alumni possessed simple reading skills.  Apparently you do not since I never said that.

[NickelDimer]

The buyout was already part of the contract and it was one in line with the market. Marquette could afford it in a normal year. It was unforseeable that a Global Pandemic would tank MU's finances and lead to a faculty revolt. Despite Jim Christian getting canned early at BC, movement on the coaching carousel has been slow so far. I think a lot of coaches are going to get saved by COVID. It's hardly an MU only issue.

Considering the issues surrounding the program at the time of the extension, not adjusting the buyout is questionable at best and lacked foresight at worst. Either way it has proven to have been a mistake.

[Gato78]

Considering the issues surrounding the program at the time of the extension, not adjusting the buyout is questionable at best and lacked foresight at worst. Either way it has proven to have been a mistake.

How do you know this?

[NickelDimer]

How do you know this?

I don't. That's why I qualified with "if" and "has been speculated". I'm hoping it's not the case and Wojo is rightfully fired.

[warriorchick]

The buyout was already part of the contract and it was one in line with the market. Marquette could afford it in a normal year. It was unforseeable that a Global Pandemic would tank MU's finances and lead to a faculty revolt. Despite Jim Christian getting canned early at BC, movement on the coaching carousel has been slow so far. I think a lot of coaches are going to get saved by COVID. It's hardly an MU only issue.

Clearly you dwere not aware  that Dr. Lovell's job description includes the requirement to be able to predict the future with 100% accuracy.

[StillAWarrior]

Whenever there are conversations like this, I'm genuinely interested in what percentage of Marquette alums are deeply interested in the basketball program. I am. My wife isn't (although she humors me). I don't doubt that success of the basketball program is good for the university, but I do doubt that an overwhelming majority of alums -- if even a majority -- consider the state of the basketball program as one of Lovell's top priorities. I'm not necessarily saying that they would be right, but I do think that a lot of times we who participate on a MU Basketball message board make the mistake of thinking that we're representative of MU alums as a whole. I'd be curious what percentage of MU alums never attended a single basketball game while they were at MU. I'd be curious what percentage of MU alums haven't watched a single basketball game in the past 10 years.

[swoopem]

That'd be absolutely nuts to be at MU for 4 years and never attend a basketball game. What would you do on Saturday's? Do you even have friends? I'm sure people have done it but it's wild to me. Not even one game?

[StillAWarrior]

That'd be absolutely nuts to be at MU for 4 years and never attend a basketball game. What would you do on Saturday's? Do you even have friends? I'm sure people have done it but it's wild to me. Not even one game?

I agree. I'd love to know that number, and I suspect it would be much higher than most of us would think. A lot of people just really aren't into sports. I don't get it.

[dinger]

I agree. I'd love to know that number, and I suspect it would be much higher than most of us would think. A lot of people just really aren't into sports. I don't get it.

I was a senior during the final four run in 03. I remember the morning of the Kansas game I ran into a guy in a couple of my classes at campus foods. I tried to make some small talk and asked if he was getting ready for the game and he responded with something like "no I'm just getting some lunch, I dont get into sports at all" and held up some canned tomatoes. I never talked to him again.

[JWags85]

Whenever there are conversations like this, I'm genuinely interested in what percentage of Marquette alums are deeply interested in the basketball program. I am. My wife isn't (although she humors me). I don't doubt that success of the basketball program is good for the university, but I do doubt that an overwhelming majority of alums -- if even a majority -- consider the state of the basketball program as one of Lovell's top priorities. I'm not necessarily saying that they would be right, but I do think that a lot of times we who participate on a MU Basketball message board make the mistake of thinking that we're representative of MU alums as a whole. I'd be curious what percentage of MU alums never attended a single basketball game while they were at MU. I'd be curious what percentage of MU alums haven't watched a single basketball game in the past 10 years.

I think the rise in funding and applications/admissions post-2003 FF tell the story about what basketball success can mean for a university. It's bore out at other schools across the country.

Which then spreads out into things those "non sports fans" care about.

[cheebs09]

Whenever there are conversations like this, I'm genuinely interested in what percentage of Marquette alums are deeply interested in the basketball program. I am. My wife isn't (although she humors me). I don't doubt that success of the basketball program is good for the university, but I do doubt that an overwhelming majority of alums -- if even a majority -- consider the state of the basketball program as one of Lovell's top priorities. I'm not necessarily saying that they would be right, but I do think that a lot of times we who participate on a MU Basketball message board make the mistake of thinking that we're representative of MU alums as a whole. I'd be curious what percentage of MU alums never attended a single basketball game while they were at MU. I'd be curious what percentage of MU alums haven't watched a single basketball game in the past 10 years.

I think it's pretty low to be honest. Maybe you get 40% that would watch a March Madness game. I know people that couldn't name a player on the team, but get fired up for National Marquette Day and March Madness.

For students, it's the main social event on campus, but they probably don't keep up with it much after leaving.

For the BC, I think the student section was 4,000 seats. So about 50% undergrad. Maybe half of that would regularly show up. I'm guessing that's the group that probably still watches games.

[muwarrior69]

When I was in school, you had to take three THEO classes.  One was the required THEO 001, taught by a Lutheran, and the other two I took were comparative courses - Islam (taught by a Jesuit) and Eastern Christianity (taught by an Orthodox monk)

But again it isn't just about the classes you take.  It's about how the Catholic, Jesuit mission is interwoven thoughout the University and reflects itself in multiple ways.  I would argue in an increasingly secular world, and in one where more MU students don't identify themselves as Catholic, I think the mission is even more important.

It would seem to me that the Jesuit mission today his profoundly different than the Jesuit mission of 50 years ago. All my theo classes were taught by Jesuits: 2 covered the old and new testament, 3 covered the sacraments and 1 covered evangelization. How can the University's mission be rooted in Catholic tradition when it is taught by Lutherans and Islam taught by a Jesuit. It seem its mission is more rooted in ecumenism rather than teaching Catholicism.

[Billy Hoyle]

It would seem to me that the Jesuit mission today his profoundly different than the Jesuit mission of 50 years ago. All my theo classes were taught by Jesuits: 2 covered the old and new testament, 3 covered the sacraments and 1 covered evangelization. How can the University's mission be rooted in Catholic tradition when it is taught by Lutherans and Islam taught by a Jesuit. It seem its mission is more rooted in ecumenism rather than teaching Catholicism.

Outside of ND, can a Catholic university, especially one like MU, be a national university and exclusively Catholic?

It sounds like you want us to be the University of Dallas or Ava Maria.

[Viper]

They support the movement not the organization. Which is the Jesuit thing to do.

The Pope himself is moving the church in a more LGBTQ friendly direction. As the Jesuits have always historically been ahead of Rome on social justice issues, I think Marquette is exactly where a Jesuit university should be. If anything, they are taking too conservative of an approach for a Jesuit school.

My experience at Marquette was that the commitment to service and being men/women for others has never been higher. The curricula does require less THEO courses and whether or not that is a good thing is a good topic for discussion.

question...and admittedly this has nothing to do  about Marquette University, Marquette basketball or Lovell. If the Pope and scripture differ, in what direction do you go? If the church says turn here, but you know a better way is taking the turn a block down, what way do you go? (weak analogy, I know)
Btw, I love that Marquette is committed to service, as you mention. I do want MU alums to be, as the slogan goes, be the difference.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

question...and admittedly this has nothing to do  about Marquette University, Marquette basketball or Lovell. If the Pope and scripture differ, in what direction do you go? If the church says turn here, but you know a better way is taking the turn a block down, what way do you go? (weak analogy, I know)
Btw, I love that Marquette is committed to service, as you mention. I do want MU alums to be, as the slogan goes, be the difference.

I don't think its relevant in this case. The Pope is moving the church in the direction of scripture away from a path not based in scripture.

[tower912]

question...and admittedly this has nothing to do  about Marquette University, Marquette basketball or Lovell. If the Pope and scripture differ, in what direction do you go? If the church says turn here, but you know a better way is taking the turn a block down, what way do you go? (weak analogy, I know)
Btw, I love that Marquette is committed to service, as you mention. I do want MU alums to be, as the slogan goes, be the difference.

Catholicism has a long history of not being literalist when it comes to scripture.   One of the reasons certain branches of protestantism refers to Catholics as papists.   Because they prefer their version of a literal interpretation of scripture, even when they disagree.

   Maybe a protestant theology course would have helped, ai'na?

[Farley36]

I was under the impression that Marquette alumni possessed simple reading skills.  Apparently you do not since I never said that.

You shouldn't talk about reading comprehension here.  I wasn't damning Lovell as you stated I was.  I was commenting on someone else's post that Lovell shouldn't know the name of MU's starting center because he has 154 other things to do as Pres.  That's a stupid argument which implies a university President can't do his job and know about the basketball team.  But you jumped in completely clueless and made another in a long line of dumb comments.  You might want to work on your basic reading comprehension.

[Shooter McGavin]

I was at an MU preseason scrimmage where Lovell was helping Wojo recruit Dawson Garcia.  He specifically came down to half court at the Al and sat down with Dawson and his family for the second half of the scrimmage.  He spoke with them almost the entire time. From what I saw he absolutely gets the importance of the basketball program to the University.

[The Sultan]

You shouldn't talk about reading comprehension here.  I wasn't damning Lovell as you stated I was.  I was commenting on someone else's post that Lovell shouldn't know the name of MU's starting center because he has 154 other things to do as Pres.  That's a stupid argument which implies a university President can't do his job and know about the basketball team.  But you jumped in completely clueless and made another in a long line of dumb comments.  You might want to work on your basic reading comprehension.

So you quoted my post but commented on another?  Lol. Sure.

[The Sultan]

It would seem to me that the Jesuit mission today his profoundly different than the Jesuit mission of 50 years ago. All my theo classes were taught by Jesuits: 2 covered the old and new testament, 3 covered the sacraments and 1 covered evangelization. How can the University's mission be rooted in Catholic tradition when it is taught by Lutherans and Islam taught by a Jesuit. It seem its mission is more rooted in ecumenism rather than teaching Catholicism.

I mean this was 30 years ago.  That has been my frame of reference the entire time - that little has changed in 30 years.

But you do have an outdated view of a contemporary Jesuit education. 

[The Sultan]

I don't think its relevant in this case. The Pope is moving the church in the direction of scripture away from a path not based in scripture.

Yep yep!

[Farley36]

So you quoted my post but commented on another?  Lol. Sure.

Wow you're dumb and making yourself look dumber by the minute.   I quoted Royal and then you jumped in and quoted me.   You IQ is shrinking by the minute

[warriorchick]

I was at an MU preseason scrimmage where Lovell was helping Wojo recruit Dawson Garcia.  He specifically came down to half court at the Al and sat down with Dawson and his family for the second half of the scrimmage.  He spoke with them almost the entire time. From what I saw he absolutely gets the importance of the basketball program to the University.

This.

Just because Dr. Lovell can't tell you the average number of minutes that Justin Lewis plays per game or any of the other  million points of data some of you guys can spend hours on doesn't mean that he doesn't understand the importance of basketball to MU. 

[swoopem]

If he understands the importance then he should fire Wojo

[rocky_warrior]

Wow you're dumb and making yourself look dumber by the minute.   I quoted Royal and then you jumped in and quoted me.   You IQ is shrinking by the minute

You've had previous identities banned, and complained about our policies.  But the problem is you can't post without insults.  Last warning.