The next season conundrum

[panda]

Wojo has filled an assistant role by promoting from within exactly once.

Gainey, Stan and Killings were all hired from elsewhere.  I guess you could spin Gainey as a promotion even though he spent a couple of years at Arizona, but even then half of the assistants he has hired to replace those who departed were sitting on the benches of other major programs and had no prior working relationship with Wojo.

Would be nice if we wouldn't make stuff up to be outraged about.

Like I said - Rehiring Gainey....

[f/k/a humanlung]

I think the more Wojo wins next year, the more likely it is he jumps ship to another job.  I can't see Carton and Garcia staying for 2022-23.  Wojo will have nothing left, and he'll need to jump ship if he does well.  Whether he wins or loses, he'll only be our coach for one more season.

I want him gone now, though.

I fear that he gets another inexplicable extension that keeps the price of ejecting him high.  Irrational, I know, but it's there in my mind...

[f/k/a humanlung]

I would hope that if Wojo is indeed retained that we upgrade one of our ACs to a veteran with some more notches on their belt.

Tamu,  for how many years has this been suggested (and ignored by Wojo)?

It has to be at least three or four.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Tamu,  for how many years has this been suggested (and ignored by Wojo)?

It has to be at least three or four.

One year. He brought in Judson in response. It hasn't helped. I hope the suggestion is made again and they hire someone better this time.

[The Sultan]

Like I said - Rehiring Gainey....

Rehiring someone who you once had on a staff but went to two different jobs in the meantime is a lot different than a promotion.

Look, the premise was a poor one and doesn't hold up to the actuality.

[Uncle Rico]

I fear that he gets another inexplicable extension that keeps the price of ejecting him high.  Irrational, I know, but it's there in my mind...

Any extension without a severely reduced buyout should result in the dismissal of the AD

[cheebs09]

Any extension without a severely reduced buyout should result in the dismissal of the AD

I'm very interested about the press release on this one. Do they mention a reduced buyout or does that leak to the Goodman's/Norlander's of the world?

[Uncle Rico]

I'm very interested about the press release on this one. Do they mention a reduced buyout or does that leak to the Goodman's/Norlander's of the world?

I don't know.  I suspect TAMU or brew would know

[The Sultan]

I'm very interested about the press release on this one. Do they mention a reduced buyout or does that leak to the Goodman's/Norlander's of the world?

Of course they wouldn't mention a reduced buy out.  No need to undermine a coach like that.  My guess is that any extension would be quietly released on some Friday with a couple softball quotes. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm not certain that Harbaughing is the correct move anymore. Sends a stronger message to not extend. Sure it hurts recruiting but with Wojo's name on every hotseat list the damage is already done.

[The Sultan]

I'm not certain that Harbaughing is the correct move anymore. Sends a stronger message to not extend. Sure it hurts recruiting but with Wojo's name on every hotseat list the damage is already done.

If you think about it, giving Wojo an extension with a sharply reduced buy-out is actually in Marquette's best interests.  It likely isn't in Wojo's.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I'm not certain that Harbaughing is the correct move anymore. Sends a stronger message to not extend. Sure it hurts recruiting but with Wojo's name on every hotseat list the damage is already done.

Yeah. Why would Wojo even sign it. 

Scholl: Steve, great news: We are extending you for 10 more years for making it through the COVID years.
Steve: Why is my buy-out reduced from $6 million to $1977?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If you think about it, giving Wojo an extension with a sharply reduced buy-out is actually in Marquette's best interests.  It likely isn't in Wojo's.

Absolutely. But you also have to figure out how to spin announcing an extension to a coach coming off a losing season. Sure the savvy fans would know what is going on but it would scream tone deaf. You also lose security on the off chance that the ploy works and Wojo is successful enough next season that you want to retain him but can now be scooped up for pennies on the dollar. I don't know what the number is, but those factors are worth paying at least a little bit more.

Yeah. Why would Wojo even sign it. 

Scholl: Steve, great news: We are extending you for 10 more years for making it through the COVID years.
Steve: Why is my buy-out reduced from $6 million to $1977?

It's been done at other universities. Its essentially asking the coach to bet on himself to be successful next season.

[rocky_warrior]

Absolutely. But you also have to figure out how to spin announcing an extension to a coach coming off a losing season. Sure the savvy fans would know what is going on but it would scream tone deaf. You also lose security on the off chance that the ploy works and Wojo is successful enough next season that you want to retain him but can now be scooped up for pennies on the dollar. I don't know what the number is, but those factors are worth paying at least a little bit more.

It's been done at other universities. Its essentially asking the coach to bet on himself to be successful next season.

Restructure the contract with extension as performance based.  Buyout & Salary goes up for winning (even above current level), and trends to zero at .500 seasons.  This might also placate faculty a little - and of course Wojo would bet on himself to win.

[Dr. Blackheart]

It's been done at other universities. Its essentially asking the coach to bet on himself to be successful next season.

Here is my math. I make $2 million.  I can get a three year paid vacation of $6 million. I am betting on myself that I can get a $3 million, 5 year deal in the next three years.

[Class71]

7 years and we are still hoping for the best. Just one more year,  just one more year. Wake me up when they pull the plug on this guy. I think we can agree we can no longer blame Buzz for this nightmare.

[joparks]

In my eyes, Wojo is a lame duck next season if he is incomprehensively retained for next season.  He is basically marketing himself for his next job and after next season, that job won't be and had better not be Marquette.  That's his incentive to do well next year and if he does, I'll root for the team but when it's over, it's over.  He doesn't have the previous success to mail it in so if he wants to continue to be a head coach, it's all in front of him.  No amount of winning next season is going to make me think that will be nothing more than an aberration.  No sudden turns of the corner.  No he finally figured it out in year 8 because he hasn't.  He is who we know he is at this point and that is a guy who just isn't a good coach who at this point is fortunate that he is employed by clowns above him who appear to be as equally incompetent at their jobs as he is at his.

IMO, He should have been dumped after year 5 when they embarrassed themselves in the tourney and then he lost 2 guys to transfers after the team fell apart down the stretch. There was plenty there at the time to indicate that he wasn't going to get us to where we felt we needed to be.

People are deluding themselves thinking oh, if we get these guys to come in and he recruits that guy, we'll be ok.  It's fools gold.  He's still the one who has to coach the kids and we know how that's turned out over the past 7 years.

So next year is the last year if he gets a next year.  If we keep playing this what if game, we risk the whole program if it isn't irreparably damaged already.  Read the back half of the Joey Meyer era at DePaul and what that spawned...and what they haven't yet recovered from.

[willie warrior]

Nail on the head and why this is the biggest problem with him. He has to know the fan base doesn't want him here. He's a lame duck coach going into next year and it's just another year of the program barely treading water. He's fired or he takes a job elsewhere.

I don't think he'll come close to achieving results that would appease all parties involved at MU next season.

All the more reason to can his ass.

[bilsu]

Coach K's assistants generally have not been great. However, they keep getting jobs. I do not expect this to be Wojo's last job no matter how good or bad next season is.

[panda]

Kinda crazy but as I was looking at the bubble and contemplating Marquette's situation - I realized we've only been safely in the tournament once during Wojo's tenure. Pathetic.

[GooooMarquette]

There is no conundrum.  I always want the team to do well.

Yep. Wojo figures out the secret sauce, MU wins it all, and we're trying to figure out how to wrap him up.

[5DollarPitcher]

There's a lot of question-not-being-answered going on in this thread. I don't think there's anyone out there (including myself) that is so spiteful of Wojo that we would actively cheer against Marquette on their way to a great season or big run in the tourney (i.e. Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight or further).

The question would essentially be - what if this year happens all over again? What if we get to the point where we are out, or virtually out, of NCAA tourney contention in late January? Do we cheer for some meaningless wins at the end of the season (such as the UNC or DePaul wins this year)? Or do we hope that the team goes quietly into the night so as to leave no doubt (and no excuse for the BOT) about what we should do with Wojo?

[MU82]

There's a lot of question-not-being-answered going on in this thread. I don't think there's anyone out there (including myself) that is so spiteful of Wojo that we would actively cheer against Marquette on their way to a great season or big run in the tourney (i.e. Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight or further).

The question would essentially be - what if this year happens all over again? What if we get to the point where we are out, or virtually out, of NCAA tourney contention in late January? Do we cheer for some meaningless wins at the end of the season (such as the UNC or DePaul wins this year)? Or do we hope that the team goes quietly into the night so as to leave no doubt (and no excuse for the BOT) about what we should do with Wojo?

Yes. I will want Marquette to win whenever we take the floor.

If the BOT hasn't made up its mind by late January if we are hopelessly out of contention, there's no hope anyway.

Oh ... and of course there will be people out there rooting against Wojo to win every single game next season. Are you new here?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Here is my math. I make $2 million.  I can get a three year paid vacation of $6 million. I am betting on myself that I can get a $3 million, 5 year deal in the next three years.

I'm right there with you. But I don't think coaches think about these things the same way that you and I do.

[joparks]

I can only hope that by retaining him this year, the BOT is looking at this as purely a transactional move: The University can't absorb the cost to get rid of him now or he would have already been removed.  Their thinking shouldn't change no matter what happens.  They "should" have seen enough as have most of us.  You move on after next year no matter what. 

As a fan, you root for MU to win and if they win great.  However, if I'm thinking at that point if they win this will somehow endear him to the BOT to keep him on, then I have no faith in the BOT and their ability to do right by Marquette.  Unfortunately, if that is the case, then we are in for a lot more disappointment to go along with what we already have.