The next season conundrum

[panda]

I don't understand the relevance?

Scoop's last sentence implies Marquette will not be able to attract a high level replacement if MU has another poor season.

This post says otherwise, hence "for what it's worth."

[Uncle Rico]

Scoop's last sentence implies Marquette will not be able to attract a high level replacement if MU has another poor season.

This post says otherwise, hence "for what it's worth."

History proves what coaching changes is saying as false

[tower912]

I think scoop has failed to define what a 'high level replacement' is.    Another highly sought after assistant?     A mid-major coach ready to make the leap?

[The Sultan]

I think scoop has failed to define what a 'high level replacement' is.    Another highly sought after assistant?     A mid-major coach ready to make the leap?

"Defining things" is well outside our wheelhouse.  We are very good at "irrational ranting" however.

[panda]

I interpreted the statement as we'd be able to compete and win with other schools for highly sought after guys. Contrary to the statement Scoop made.

Nothing more than that.

[Uncle Rico]

I think scoop has failed to define what a 'high level replacement' is.    Another highly sought after assistant?     A mid-major coach ready to make the leap?

There's the rub, there is no right answer to that question

[GoldenWarrior11]

Even though Coaching Changes has not predicted Wojo to get the axe, it is clearly supporting it.  In the past several seasons, they have accurately predicted many coaching changes and hires (Tulane/Ron Hunter, Holtmann/OSU, Howard/UM, Crean/UGA, etc.).  Whether or not anyone likes the content, it is run by a number of anonymous D1 assistant coaches (who also share the login to other coaches within their networks).  It is funny because, often times, the "writers" will be unsure of who actually is writing on the page.  I'm not even sure the anonymous coaches know who has or doesn't have the login information.

[swoopem]

If he stays, he needs to accept his failures and make changes. New assistants and stronger emphasis on protecting the ball (not popping balloons).

It's going to be ugly next year and he needs to sell himself and the program to disgruntled fans. Same Wojo won't work.

I 100% agree but there's absolutely no reason to believe he'll change assistants. He likes yes men. That's why if Killings gets the Albany job or leaves for another job he'll promote Cam or Danny Mads.

Everyone talks about Wojo being fired but Rob Judson and Jake Preschuiti should've had their desks cleared by the time the plane landed Wednesday night

[panda]

I 100% agree but there's absolutely no reason to believe he'll change assistants. He likes yes men. That's why if Killings gets the Albany job or leaves for another job he'll promote Cam or Danny Mads.

Everyone talks about Wojo being fired but Rob Judson and Jake Preschuiti should've had their desks cleared by the time the plane landed Wednesday night

Yep - Or rehiring Gainey. It's insanely tone deaf to continue promoting/rehiring from within when you've proven yourself inept.

Some serious soul searching is required, but I don't think anyone with any influence will force him to look in the mirror.

[swoopem]

Yep - Or rehiring Gainey. It's insanely tone deaf to continue promoting/rehiring from within when you've proven yourself inept.

Some serious soul searching is required, but I don't think anyone with any influence will force him to look in the mirror.

Of course not. He went to Duke. He's smarter than everyone else

[rocky_warrior]

Thus, no matter what, our problems are not easy solvable next year.

I read your previous paragraph and I disagree.  Winning solves everything, especially for fans.

[Silent Verbal]

I 100% agree but there's absolutely no reason to believe he'll change assistants. He likes yes men. That's why if Killings gets the Albany job or leaves for another job he'll promote Cam or Danny Mads.

Everyone talks about Wojo being fired but Rob Judson and Jake Preschuiti should've had their desks cleared by the time the plane landed Wednesday night

I agree with all this, especially the part about Presutti and Judson.  Those two turds, at the very least, need to be sent packing.  Presutti is really, really good at clapping as the players come off the floor before an official timeout.  Outside of that, I'm not sure what he does.

[Babybluejeans]

If Wojo doesn't get axed this year, winning next year is still the best outcome. I'd rather him leave after we make the S16 and be the most appealing program possible to a solid replacement.

[Boone]

Pressuti seems to be the perfect replacement for Carrawell, who contributed nothing during his tenure outside of the staff's noontime pickup games

[cheebs09]

I 100% agree but there's absolutely no reason to believe he'll change assistants. He likes yes men. That's why if Killings gets the Albany job or leaves for another job he'll promote Cam or Danny Mads.

Everyone talks about Wojo being fired but Rob Judson and Jake Preschuiti should've had their desks cleared by the time the plane landed Wednesday night

If Cam or Mads would get promoted, Wojo should be fired immediately. I thought he actually did pretty well early on with his assistants. The bubble we are creating is becoming worrisome.

[79Warrior]

Assuming Norlander is correct, which at this moment I believe he is but things can change, the best thing for the program would be for Wojo to improve as a coach, prove us all wrong, and lead us to a high seed in the NCAAT accompanied by a few wins in March, and for him to stay and continue on that path. I don't think it is the most realistic, but it is the best. I'll hope for the best until the best becomes impossible.

Your scenario would be ideal.  If we are not competitive in the BE next season and fail to make the tourney it will be time to cut him loose.

[swoopem]

I agree with all this, especially the part about Presutti and Judson.  Those two turds, at the very least, need to be sent packing.  Presutti is really, really good at clapping as the players come off the floor before an official timeout.  Outside of that, I'm not sure what he does.

The guy went from video coordinator to assistant (big jump). I've been convinced for a while now that we don't even watch film so I'm not sure he was even a good video coordinator

[MU82]

I read your previous paragraph and I disagree.  Winning solves everything, especially for fans.

This.

If Wojo stays, and if we have a great season - defined by me as legitimately contending for the conference title, no late-season fade, and at least a second-weekend NCAAT run - most will be pretty happy about it.

We don't do that if not for significant improvement from DJ, Garcia and Lewis, good contributions from incoming freshmen, and solid performance from an impact transfer or two. In other words, things a coach is supposed to do will have been done.

The idea that Wojo will be retained and then will mail it in is just silly. Why would he do that? He'd get fired, he'd be toxic for years, he might never get a P6 head-coaching job again.

Please note that I am not predicting the great season I talked about earlier. If I really thought all that was likely, I wouldn't have been calling for him to get fired.

But I don't think it's an outlandish prospect, either. He already has had 3 NCAAT seasons, has already had a top-2 BEast finish. To have a season similar to 2018-19 but don't fold down the stretch and do win a couple NCAAT games ... it's not crazy talk.

The beautiful (or ugly) thing is that we'll get to see!

[wiscwarrior]

This.

If Wojo stays, and if we have a great season - defined by me as legitimately contending for the conference title, no late-season fade, and at least a second-weekend NCAAT run - most will be pretty happy about it.

We don't do that if not for significant improvement from DJ, Garcia and Lewis, good contributions from incoming freshmen, and solid performance from an impact transfer or two. In other words, things a coach is supposed to do will have been done.

The idea that Wojo will be retained and then will mail it in is just silly. Why would he do that? He'd get fired, he'd be toxic for years, he might never get a P6 head-coaching job again.

Please note that I am not predicting the great season I talked about earlier. If I really thought all that was likely, I wouldn't have been calling for him to get fired.

But I don't think it's an outlandish prospect, either. He already has had 3 NCAAT seasons, has already had a top-2 BEast finish. To have a season similar to 2018-19 but don't fold down the stretch and do win a couple NCAAT games ... it's not crazy talk.

The beautiful (or ugly) thing is that we'll get to see!

So you need a second week tournament run in addition to your other requirements to consider retaining Wojo.Seems a bit excessive considering from what I've read you consider him a good man who runs a clean program. For me, he needs to have a great season with a high seed after that it really is a crap shoot.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I would hope that if Wojo is indeed retained that we upgrade one of our ACs to a veteran with some more notches on their belt.

[1SE]

Yes, if we get a top 3 finish and go to the S16 next year Wojo can earn another extension. Everyone would prefer that to losing and having Wojo fired. But that's not going to happen .

What is more plausible is Wojo goes 10-10, t6, and loses in a NCAA play in game. That scenario would probably be enough for Wojo to keep his job, but would be no indication that we will escape the morass of mediocrity.

[Boozemon Barro]

If we don't have the money to fire the head guy, we certainly don't have the money for assistant coach upgrades.

[The Sultan]

Yep - Or rehiring Gainey. It's insanely tone deaf to continue promoting/rehiring from within when you've proven yourself inept.

Wojo has filled an assistant role by promoting from within exactly once.

Gainey, Stan and Killings were all hired from elsewhere.  I guess you could spin Gainey as a promotion even though he spent a couple of years at Arizona, but even then half of the assistants he has hired to replace those who departed were sitting on the benches of other major programs and had no prior working relationship with Wojo.

Would be nice if we wouldn't make stuff up to be outraged about.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If we don't have the money to fire the head guy, we certainly don't have the money for assistant coach upgrades.

Firing the head guy is literally dozens of times more expensive than firing an AC and hiring a more expensive one

[Boozemon Barro]

Firing the head guy is literally dozens of times more expensive than firing an AC and hiring a more expensive one

Being in the red and increasing your expenses puts you further in the red. They need to revise their revenue budget for the season ticket renewal decline due to retaining an unpopular coach the fanbase wants to be fired. If you think there is going to any increase in the expense budget you're taking crazy pills IMO.