Seven Years Is A Long Time

[f/k/a humanlung]

It only took nine years to go from a National Championship to Bob Dukiet.

We just finished year seven.

Just something to think about.

[rocky_warrior]

Whoa, you're prolific this evening.

[CountryRoads]

At the very earliest, ~3,277 days will have elapsed between our last tournament win and our next chance.

[f/k/a humanlung]

Whoa, you're prolific this evening.

I'm prolific every evening.  I just like to spread it around.   

[fjm]

I'm prolific every evening.  I just like to spread it around.   

Howland woulda won the ‘ship at mu already.

[The Lens]

Counzo = S16

[MU82]

Howland woulda won the ‘ship at mu already.

Just one?

Counzo = S16

Maybe. We'll see. Good coach ... who probably would have left Marquette for Mizzou.

[f/k/a humanlung]

Howland woulda won the ‘ship at mu already.

Howland would have won an NCAA Tournament game by now...

And we probably wouldn't need to worry about losing to teams like DePaul.

[Uncle Rico]

Howland would have won an NCAA Tournament game by now...

And we probably wouldn't need to worry about losing to teams like DePaul.

Winning at Mississippi State isn’t impossible.  Howland’s time has passed.  He isn’t the coach he was in 2005

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Just one?

Maybe. We'll see. Good coach ... who probably would have left Marquette for Mizzou.

I'm not sure he would have.  Cal was a bad fit for many reasons.

[Lennys Tap]

Winning at Mississippi State isn’t impossible.  Howland’s time has passed.  He isn’t the coach he was in 2005

Unfortunately Wojo may be (the coach he was in 2005).

[Uncle Rico]

Unfortunately Wojo may be (the coach he was in 2005).

I don’t think Howland taking the job would have necessarily resulted in different results. 

[GoldenWarrior11]

I don’t think Howland taking the job would have necessarily resulted in different results.

It's funny.  Had we hired Howland and, for sake of argument - let's say he duplicates record at MSU (one NCAAT appearance, bottom-half appearances in conference, etc.) - those that would be clamoring for Howland to be fired would be wanting to hire a young-up-and-coming assistant.  For all of us that want Wojo gone, we want a proven head coach that is successful and knows how to be a head coach. 

Regardless - when a head coach fails, it is almost guaranteed that the next hire is opposite (old/young, head/assistant, aggressive/passive, etc.). 

[Lennys Tap]

I don’t think Howland taking the job would have necessarily resulted in different results.

I’m not sure Howland would have been a whole lot better but I think Wojo like results would have been his floor. And if that’s what he delivered he would be gone.

[Uncle Rico]

I’m not sure Howland would have been a whole lot better but I think Wojo like results would have been his floor. And if that’s what he delivered he would be gone.

That’s probably fair. 

[MU82]

I'm not sure he would have.  Cal was a bad fit for many reasons.

We'll never know.

I will admit that I was fine with Wojo over Cuonzo back in 2014. But today, using 20/20 hindsight, sure, I wish we would have hired Cuonzo instead of Wojo, if indeed he really did want to come to Marquette.

Had no interest at all in Howland, a retread with considerable baggage.

[brewcity77]

We'll never know.

I will admit that I was fine with Wojo over Cuonzo back in 2014. But today, using 20/20 hindsight, sure, I wish we would have hired Cuonzo instead of Wojo, if indeed he really did want to come to Marquette.

Had no interest at all in Howland, a retread with considerable baggage.

Cuonzo I would've been fine with. Everything I was told is that his interview sunk his chances, but with the value of hindsight, I'd love to know how that would've worked out. And knowing how this did work out, I'd have rather had a few years of Cuonzo and gone back into the coaching market than be where we are now.

Agree on Howland. So much of the UCLA stuff was coming out then, he was a guy Marquette wasn't going to touch. I get that similarly they wouldn't have looked at Jans or Pearl. That said, they absolutely, 100% should've looked at Kelvin Sampson. Excellent coach who was given a show cause for things that aren't even NCAA violations anymore! When the violations aren't violations anymore, what are we even talking about? Having issues with Sampson when he was available is like having a bias against people released now for marijuana violations in states where their crimes have been decriminalized. That was the home run hire of 2014 and we didn't even step up to the plate.

[MU82]

Cuonzo I would've been fine with. Everything I was told is that his interview sunk his chances, but with the value of hindsight, I'd love to know how that would've worked out. And knowing how this did work out, I'd have rather had a few years of Cuonzo and gone back into the coaching market than be where we are now.

Agree on Howland. So much of the UCLA stuff was coming out then, he was a guy Marquette wasn't going to touch. I get that similarly they wouldn't have looked at Jans or Pearl. That said, they absolutely, 100% should've looked at Kelvin Sampson. Excellent coach who was given a show cause for things that aren't even NCAA violations anymore! When the violations aren't violations anymore, what are we even talking about? Having issues with Sampson when he was available is like having a bias against people released now for marijuana violations in states where their crimes have been decriminalized. That was the home run hire of 2014 and we didn't even step up to the plate.

I suppose. But they were rules at the time, and Sampson already had broken them at Oklahoma and then brazenly broke them again at Indiana.

I get your pot reference, and might even agree with it, but there was a reason that P5 schools also weren't clamoring to hire Sampson despite his outstanding record. After Buzz, MU's honchos were determined to hire somebody with absolutely no marks against him.

But sure, I'd have taken Sampson, too.

[muwarrior69]

At my age 7 years is the longest of time and it is the shortest of time.

[dgies9156]

Cuonzo I would've been fine with. Everything I was told is that his interview sunk his chances, but with the value of hindsight, I'd love to know how that would've worked out.

I was not a big fan of the Cuonz.

I don't like UT retreads.

We are (should be) Marquette.

We do not (should not) take retreads from second rate basketball powers.

The fact that the Cuonz is looking good to us suggests how far our program has fallen.

That truly depresses me.

[Galway Eagle]

I was not a big fan of the Cuonz.

I don't like UT retreads.

We are (should be) Marquette.

We do not (should not) take retreads from second rate basketball powers.

The fact that the Cuonz is looking good to us suggests how far our program has fallen.

That truly depresses me.

To be fair he was looking good to us in 2014 when we'd gone to 10/13 NCAAs and were ending our 2nd best stretch in program history

[cheebs09]

I was not a big fan of the Cuonz.

I don't like UT retreads.

We are (should be) Marquette.

We do not (should not) take retreads from second rate basketball powers.

The fact that the Cuonz is looking good to us suggests how far our program has fallen.

That truly depresses me.

I don’t know that he was a retread. Tennessee fans were unhappy about losing Pearl and had unrealistic expectations. Based on their football team, fan expectations don’t always mesh with reality.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Howland would have won an NCAA Tournament game by now...

And we probably wouldn't need to worry about losing to teams like DePaul.

Howland's team is currently losing by 30 to Alabama in the SEC tournament. 

[f/k/a humanlung]

Howland's team is currently losing by 30 to Alabama in the SEC tournament.

True.  I am watching the game.

Horrible shooting day - less than 5% from 3pt so far.  It happens.

But you know what?  No announcers are saying the team has quit.  In fact they are playing their respective backsides off.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

True.  I am watching the game.

Horrible shooting day - less than 5% from 3pt so far.  It happens.

But you know what?  No announcers are saying the team has quit.  In fact they are playing their respective backsides off.

Wonderful.  They suck but still try hard.  SIGN HIM UP!!!!