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brewcity77

My main issue with Limbaugh is how he helped move the discourse in this country. It's no surprise that his star rose after the Fairness Doctrine was wrongly done away with.

Limbaugh's racism, misogyny, and homophobia helped make those beliefs mainstream and acceptable to a large part of society. It helped pave the way for the Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro types that push those same hateful narratives today. And Limbaugh made it okay for people to consume those beliefs and continue to push them out into society today.

He also made it more possible for the Olbermann and Maddow types that push the further agendas of the left, which helps to insulate both sides from ever hearing each other.

Limbaugh helped make our country a worse place, a more divisive place, and a nation that simply does not work as designed. He helped push our political poles further apart so we aren't even capable of talking to each other anymore. He's one of the worst Americans in the history of this country. If you have any family members you can't talk to because of politics, regardless of party, thank Rush, because he unquestionably pushed us further apart than we ever were before.

Jockey

Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 19, 2021, 10:42:00 AM
Celebrating death is indefensible.

Making false equivalencies and violating your own edict from paragraph 2 in paragraph 1 is ironic. But I guess it's OK for the enlightened to be concerned about what others are doing.

I didn't celebrate his death. I just said the world is a brighter place now.

I didn't hope for Jeffrey Dahmer to get murdered in prison, but I didn't care that it happened. That made the world a brighter place as well. The deaths of Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. also made the world a brighter place. When bad people leave this earth, life is better for everyone.

Sadly, when these people die, the cockroaches crawl out to the light to fill the void.

shoothoops


MU82

I did just hear a pretty funny line:

"Rush Limbaugh is now making atheists want to believe in hell."
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

wadesworld


Billy Hoyle

Quote from: BLM on February 19, 2021, 09:27:50 AM
Yup.  Cannot be racist if you work with a black person.

and yet "How to be an Anti-Racist" grifter, er, author, Ibrham X Kendi says otherwise (and is proof of it himself). In fact, he calls the idea racist.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/22/us/kendi-book-anti-racist-blake/index.html
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

naginiF

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 19, 2021, 02:03:12 PM
My main issue with Limbaugh is how he helped move the discourse in this country. It's no surprise that his star rose after the Fairness Doctrine was wrongly done away with.

Limbaugh's racism, misogyny, and homophobia helped make those beliefs mainstream and acceptable to a large part of society. It helped pave the way for the Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro types that push those same hateful narratives today. And Limbaugh made it okay for people to consume those beliefs and continue to push them out into society today.

He also made it more possible for the Olbermann and Maddow types that push the further agendas of the left, which helps to insulate both sides from ever hearing each other.

Limbaugh helped make our country a worse place, a more divisive place, and a nation that simply does not work as designed. He helped push our political poles further apart so we aren't even capable of talking to each other anymore. He's one of the worst Americans in the history of this country. If you have any family members you can't talk to because of politics, regardless of party, thank Rush, because he unquestionably pushed us further apart than we ever were before.

I agree with everything in your post BUT......I read this as putting Maddow on the same 'hateful narrative' level as Carlsen/Hannity/Shapiro/etc. Olbermann? I get that 100% but I don't get putting Maddow in this club. Ardently liberal? Yep, but I've not seen her push hate.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: naginiF on February 19, 2021, 08:30:42 PM
I agree with everything in your post BUT......I read this as putting Maddow on the same 'hateful narrative' level as Carlsen/Hannity/Shapiro/etc. Olbermann? I get that 100% but I don't get putting Maddow in this club. Ardently liberal? Yep, but I've not seen her push hate.

so pushing a false narrative for 3 years is love? 
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

naginiF

Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 19, 2021, 08:35:47 PM
so pushing a false narrative for 3 years is love?
by now you've got to know you need to be more specific, right? like specific examples with details, non 80's drug references, etc.

And please tell me you are not going to say the words "russian hoax"

brewcity77

Quote from: naginiF on February 19, 2021, 08:30:42 PM
I agree with everything in your post BUT......I read this as putting Maddow on the same 'hateful narrative' level as Carlsen/Hannity/Shapiro/etc. Olbermann? I get that 100% but I don't get putting Maddow in this club. Ardently liberal? Yep, but I've not seen her push hate.

That's why I put her and Keith in a different paragraph. I don't think Maddow pushes hate, but I do think her firm ideological push tends to be more insulatory for the left and doesn't encourage discussion because instead of debate, it's more just pointing at all the reasons the Right is wrong.

With leftist ideals myself, I usually agree with her, but her arguments aren't the kind I can use to have discussions with those across the aisle unless I just want the rhetorical fight.

naginiF

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 20, 2021, 12:18:58 AM
That's why I put her and Keith in a different paragraph. I don't think Maddow pushes hate, but I do think her firm ideological push tends to be more insulatory for the left and doesn't encourage discussion because instead of debate, it's more just pointing at all the reasons the Right is wrong.

With leftist ideals myself, I usually agree with her, but her arguments aren't the kind I can use to have discussions with those across the aisle unless I just want the rhetorical fight.
That makes complete sense.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: naginiF on February 19, 2021, 08:41:28 PM
by now you've got to know you need to be more specific, right? like specific examples with details, non 80's drug references, etc.

And please tell me you are not going to say the words "russian hoax"

  great!  that's like saying i slept with nin agdal with our clothes on. 

ok, she pounded the FISA abuses aren't abuses and carried water for the schiff show and eric( she probably did) swallow.   they had mounds of  concrete evidence of russian disinformation we never saw.  not even the golden shower parties.  talk about getting all geeked up then...
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

The Sultan

rocket, is it really a mystery to you why no one takes you seriously?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 20, 2021, 07:54:05 AM
  great!  that's like saying i slept with nin agdal with our clothes on. 

ok, she pounded the FISA abuses aren't abuses and carried water for the schiff show and eric( she probably did) swallow.   they had mounds of  concrete evidence of russian disinformation we never saw.  not even the golden shower parties.  talk about getting all geeked up then...

Solid drop, Monte.  That Marquette education paid off
Guster is for Lovers

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 20, 2021, 07:59:40 AM
rocket, is it really a mystery to you why no one takes you seriously?

people who do take you seriously sully, scare the F**k out of me. 
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

Hards Alumni

Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 20, 2021, 08:37:16 AM
people who do take you seriously sully, scare the F**k out of me.

That tracks, since you're scared of everything you don't understand, and you don't care to educate yourself outside of echo chamber.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 20, 2021, 09:09:49 AM
That tracks, since you're scared of everything you don't understand, and you don't care to educate yourself outside of echo chamber.


Yeah, you got me down hardy...my path has taken me thru 3rd shift pipe manufacturer, bartender, bar manager, apartment complex manager, bio major to dds 36 years, married 38 years, 2 grown successful boys...I've lived a lot more than you need to know and past the point of dumbing myself down  I believe my path has taken me a little further than an Uber driver
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

MU82

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 20, 2021, 12:18:58 AM
That's why I put her and Keith in a different paragraph. I don't think Maddow pushes hate, but I do think her firm ideological push tends to be more insulatory for the left and doesn't encourage discussion because instead of debate, it's more just pointing at all the reasons the Right is wrong.

With leftist ideals myself, I usually agree with her, but her arguments aren't the kind I can use to have discussions with those across the aisle unless I just want the rhetorical fight.

My main problem with Maddow is that I don't like being lectured. Although I found her to be very intelligent, I stopped watching her many years ago because sometimes it felt like an hour of tsk-tsking and finger-wagging. Same was true of Chris Hayes.

Horse beaten ... and then beaten again ... and again ... and again.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

tower912

I go through phases of watching cable news.  Right now, I am in a 8 month phase of not watching.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 20, 2021, 08:37:16 AM
people who do take you seriously sully, scare the F**k out of me. 

Good.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Hards Alumni

Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 20, 2021, 09:50:40 AM

Yeah, you got me down hardy...my path has taken me thru 3rd shift pipe manufacturer, bartender, bar manager, apartment complex manager, bio major to dds 36 years, married 38 years, 2 grown successful boys...I've lived a lot more than you need to know and past the point of dumbing myself down  I believe my path has taken me a little further than an Uber driver

Thanks for the CV that no one asked for.  You must be so very proud of your accomplishments! 

And for the record, you're easier to read than The Cat in the Hat.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: MU82 on February 20, 2021, 09:53:05 AM
My main problem with Maddow is that I don't like being lectured. Although I found her to be very intelligent, I stopped watching her many years ago because sometimes it felt like an hour of tsk-tsking and finger-wagging. Same was true of Chris Hayes.

Horse beaten ... and then beaten again ... and again ... and again.

Because it's TV that is designed for people who want their beliefs affirmed on a daily basis.  It's a really weird drug that humans become addicted to all to easily.

MU82

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 20, 2021, 10:02:25 AM
Because it's TV that is designed for people who want their beliefs affirmed on a daily basis.  It's a really weird drug that humans become addicted to all to easily.

I'm a hopeless newspaper addict, so that's where I get the vast majority of my news. Subscribe to NYT, WSJ, WaPo, Charlotte Observer and The Athletic. I do go to YouTube occasionally and check out clips of the news shows if something looks interesting, so I do sometimes see clips from MSNBC, Fox News and CNN, as well as major press conferences. I like a little humor with my news, too, so I watch Bill Maher and John Oliver when they're on.

But yeah, I don't get folks who just sit there and let themselves be hypnotized by MSNBC or Fox News. I guess it's exactly what you say about affirming their beliefs.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Herman Cain

Quote from: MU82 on February 20, 2021, 10:15:09 AM
I'm a hopeless newspaper addict, so that's where I get the vast majority of my news. Subscribe to NYT, WSJ, WaPo, Charlotte Observer and The Athletic. I do go to YouTube occasionally and check out clips of the news shows if something looks interesting, so I do sometimes see clips from MSNBC, Fox News and CNN, as well as major press conferences. I like a little humor with my news, too, so I watch Bill Maher and John Oliver when they're on.

But yeah, I don't get folks who just sit there and let themselves be hypnotized by MSNBC or Fox News. I guess it's exactly what you say about affirming their beliefs.
You would be a more well rounded person if you subscribed to the NY Post. Check out Page 6, and you will be able to keep up with all the gossip.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Herman Cain on February 20, 2021, 10:32:29 AM
You would be a more well rounded person if you subscribed to the NY Post. Check out Page 6, and you will be able to keep up with all the gossip.

Don't forget the National Enquirer while you're at it.

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