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Silent Verbal

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 15, 2021, 03:33:54 PM
look no further than our bench.

Has the college basketball world learned nothing from the Wojo hire?

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 15, 2021, 04:41:58 PM
Has the college basketball world learned nothing from the Wojo hire?

nope. They're blinded by the Duke aura. Just as MU was when we learned nothing from Henderson, Dawkins, Snyder, Amaker, or Collins.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

MU82

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 15, 2021, 03:07:23 PM
I've been very impressed with Anderson at SJU. Barring mass transfers or Champagnie going pro, I expect them to be in the top 2 or 3 of the conference next season. Could even be #1 if Nova loses multiple players to the draft.

Georgetown went on a helluva run to end the season. I'm not convinced it's sustainable. We will see.

Good brief summary of the situations, and I agree.

If either program had been to the NCAA tourney 3 of the previous 4 years, even if they didn't win a tourney game, that fact would be used by 1,000 Scoopers as proof that their programs are killing Marquette.

Marquette was in the tourney 3 of 4 years, and the lack of a tourney win has been used a billion times as proof that our program is doomed.

Like you, TAMU, I am not satisfied with the direction of the Marquette program. As you know, I think Wojo should have been fired in January. He wasn't. It doesn't appear he will be fired now. I am a Marquette fan and I will root for Wojo to succeed next season, even though it's quite likely that he won't. If he doesn't, I sure as hell hope he gets fired a year from now.

Having said all that, I see little evidence that St. John's and Georgetown have passed Marquette. Other than Villanova, Creighton and possibly UConn, the next 7 BEast programs are in one big jumble until we get to DePaul, a laughingstock.

That's not good enough for Marquette. There is no reason Creighton should be a better program. We all want more.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Small Orange Soda

Remember when folks used to spout 'trajectory' as a positive term for Wojo?

marquette09

Quote from: NolongerWarriors on March 15, 2021, 03:52:11 PM
From what I've heard, MU wouldn't fire Wojo even if a generous benefactor concerned with Wojo offered to pony up the needed cash for the buyout.

Wins and losses just do not matter to Lovell (at all) or to many on the BOT.

So does this mean he gets a lifetime contract/they will never fire him?

rocky_warrior

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 15, 2021, 05:37:35 PM
Remember when folks used to spout 'trajectory' as a positive term for Wojo?

This season was a mess, no doubt.  Up through the middle of last season (2019), Wojo did appear to have Marquette with a positive trajectory - even post Hausers (wins vs Purdue, USC, KSU, Nova, X)  It's come crashing down for sure, but it wasn't some asinine argument at the time.

Viper

Quote from: NolongerWarriors on March 15, 2021, 03:52:11 PM
From what I've heard, MU wouldn't fire Wojo even if a generous benefactor concerned with Wojo offered to pony up the needed cash for the buyout.

Wins and losses just do not matter to Lovell (at all) or to many on the BOT.
if what you are hearing is correct, what would be the criteria to initiate a coaching change? graduation rates don't  put butts in the seats.
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Small Orange Soda

Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 15, 2021, 05:56:56 PM
This season was a mess, no doubt.  Up through the middle of last season (2019), Wojo did appear to have Marquette with a positive trajectory - even post Hausers (wins vs Purdue, USC, KSU, Nova, X)  It's come crashing down for sure, but it wasn't some asinine argument at the time.

Sure, I wouldn't call it asinine.  But last season was also a mess (ended up sub .500 in conference with a first team All American). And the year before that was a complete collapse.  And the four years before that we received zero top 25 votes.

Outside of that sure, things were okay.

bilsu

Quote from: MU82 on March 15, 2021, 04:54:56 PM
Good brief summary of the situations, and I agree.

If either program had been to the NCAA tourney 3 of the previous 4 years, even if they didn't win a tourney game, that fact would be used by 1,000 Scoopers as proof that their programs are killing Marquette.

Marquette was in the tourney 3 of 4 years, and the lack of a tourney win has been used a billion times as proof that our program is doomed.

Like you, TAMU, I am not satisfied with the direction of the Marquette program. As you know, I think Wojo should have been fired in January. He wasn't. It doesn't appear he will be fired now. I am a Marquette fan and I will root for Wojo to succeed next season, even though it's quite likely that he won't. If he doesn't, I sure as hell hope he gets fired a year from now.

Having said all that, I see little evidence that St. John's and Georgetown have passed Marquette. Other than Villanova, Creighton and possibly UConn, the next 7 BEast programs are in one big jumble until we get to DePaul, a laughingstock.

That's not good enough for Marquette. There is no reason Creighton should be a better program. We all want more.
I think Georgetown will be the best team in the Big East over the next decade.

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JWags85

Quote from: CountryRoads on March 15, 2021, 06:25:33 PM
Killings to Albany.

Which mediocre youngish Duke alum will Wojo find to replace him?

GoldenWarrior11

Wojo has more assistants become head coaches than NCAA tournament appearances (Nelson, Stan, Killings).  That has to be a record.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 15, 2021, 06:30:43 PM
Wojo has more assistants become head coaches than NCAA tournament appearances (Nelson, Stan, Killings).  That has to be a record.

It's sort of remarkable he's had more guys hired than Buzz did.  No idea what it means, probably nothing, just remarkable
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rocky_warrior

#538
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 15, 2021, 06:40:35 PM
It's sort of remarkable he's had more guys hired than Buzz did.  No idea what it means, probably nothing, just remarkable

The Wojo coaching tree.  Some here might hyperbolically claim his assistants learn a lot from all the failure they experience at MU.

MU82

Quote from: bilsu on March 15, 2021, 06:24:47 PM
I think Georgetown will be the best team in the Big East over the next decade.

OK, maybe you'll be right.

Two months ago, Georgetown was battling DePaul for the basement and pundits were saying Ewing wouldn't get fired only because he was Patrick Ewing and it was Georgetown.

Now, he's a great coach, and his team will be better even than Villanova over the next decade.

Anything's possible!
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willie warrior

Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 15, 2021, 05:56:56 PM
This season was a mess, no doubt.  Up through the middle of last season (2019), Wojo did appear to have Marquette with a positive trajectory - even post Hausers (wins vs Purdue, USC, KSU, Nova, X)  It's come crashing down for sure, but it wasn't some asinine argument at the time.
Well Wojo-Dukiet has certainly voided that argument by now.
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The Sultan

Quote from: JWags85 on March 15, 2021, 06:30:23 PM
Which mediocre youngish Duke alum will Wojo find to replace him?

Wojo has hired one Duke alum as an assistant coach and it was on his first staff.
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The Sultan

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 15, 2021, 06:40:35 PM
It's sort of remarkable he's had more guys hired than Buzz did.  No idea what it means, probably nothing, just remarkable

It means he casts a wide net and hires people with good reputations.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

JWags85

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 15, 2021, 07:13:17 PM
Wojo has hired one Duke alum as an assistant coach and it was on his first staff.

It was a joke.  Next to chance it's gonna be someone with more experience than him, but the Duke part was tongue in cheek

4everwarriors

Quote from: MU82 on March 15, 2021, 12:00:26 PM
We have two world-renowned dentists and several successful businessmen right here on Scoop!

Come on, gang ... pony up the Benjamins!



Don't forget Hards, hey?
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swoopem

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 15, 2021, 07:13:17 PM
Wojo has hired one Duke alum as an assistant coach and it was on his first staff.

Pretty sure it's two. Wasn't Tyler Thornton a grad assistant? There was definitely a Duke grad assistant at one point
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goldeneagle91114

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 15, 2021, 06:40:35 PM
It's sort of remarkable he's had more guys hired than Buzz did.  No idea what it means, probably nothing, just remarkable

They've all become expert at PowerPoint presentations.

The Sultan

Quote from: swoopem on March 15, 2021, 07:30:46 PM
Pretty sure it's two. Wasn't Tyler Thornton a grad assistant? There was definitely a Duke grad assistant at one point

I specifically said assistant coach.
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CountryRoads


Silent Verbal

Yet another school taking quick, decisive action to rid themselves of a lame duck coach while we sit on our hands.  So frustrating.

Wonder if Hoiberg would go back to ISU.

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