MU Basketball Program

[MU82]

This has been my concern since the first 1-6 collapse followed by identical 1-6 collapses last year and this year. At some point (probably very soon) the poor performances are going to easily outweigh any storyline that Wojo can tell. We are currently in 10th place. Good luck selling Wojo's story.

As the kids used to say…No duh

My point is, at this point, there are a lot of holes to be poked in those arguments by opposing coaches on the recruiting trail. I’m wondering if/when our recruiting will potentially fall off due to constant underachievement.

I had serious concerns after Hausershima ... and then Wojo went out and got Garcia, Lewis, DJ and Oso. And he has followed that up with a solid class this year.

Kids want playing time, they want to play in the NCAA tournament, the stars want a path to the NBA, and they all want to feel like part of a "family." Wojo has shown he will give minutes to any good player, whether or not that player's a freshman; we made the NCAAs in 3 of 4 seasons before this one; he has produced a few NBA players; and Marquette's players sure seem to project the latter all the time (with the exception of the end of the Mutiny Season).

It was asked what he had to sell. I said what he had to sell, and he's sold it pretty well.

Every coach, including Wojo, pokes holes in other coaches' selling points. I'll concern myself with all the worrywart stuff if and when it shows signs of happening.

[panda]

I had serious concerns after Hausershima ... and then Wojo went out and got Garcia, Lewis, DJ and Oso. And he has followed that up with a solid class this year.

Kids want playing time, they want to play in the NCAA tournament, the stars want a path to the NBA, and they all want to feel like part of a "family." Wojo has shown he will give minutes to any good player, whether or not that player's a freshman; we made the NCAAs in 3 of 4 seasons before this one; he has produced a few NBA players; and Marquette's players sure seem to project the latter all the time (with the exception of the end of the Mutiny Season).

It was asked what he had to sell. I said what he had to sell, and he's sold it pretty well.

Every coach, including Wojo, pokes holes in other coaches' selling points. I'll concern myself with all the worrywart stuff if and when it shows signs of happening.

Once again, my point is his holes are becoming pretty big. If he stays, it will be interesting to see what level of talent he brings in.

[hairy worthen]

He's a fringe top 100 prospect.  We aren't talking about an elite prospect here.

And for all the talk of lack of on court success, they would have been in the tournament three years out of four.  (Not saying that is great, but it certainly is sellable.)

68 teams make the tournament. It’s not that big of an accomplishment and actually a pretty low bar to get excited about. Now actually winning a game or two in the tournament? That would be sellable.

As far as “gritty”, what the hell does that even mean? Marquette is largely a University for privileged and entitled kids of wealthy parents. Let’s be honest. Don’t confuse the basketball program with the reality of the University. Al recruited inner city kids in part because they could relate to the city environment and would feel comfortable.  He could get those types of kids to come to Marquette, its an urban University not necessarily a "gritty" one.

[Shooter McGavin]

I think Wojo would be a perfect coach for Marquette...if he only won more.  He checks all the boxes, except the largest and most important one.

Yep.  Damn shame.  Here’s hoping for a miracle run this year and never looking back.  Is that too much to ask for?

[MU82]

Once again, my point is his holes are becoming pretty big. If he stays, it will be interesting to see what level of talent he brings in.

I would imagine the same level of talent.

You seem to believe differently.

That's cool. Reasonable people can disagree.

[muwarrior69]

68 teams make the tournament. It’s not that big of an accomplishment and actually a pretty low bar to get excited about. Now actually winning a game or two in the tournament? That would be sellable.

As far as “gritty”, what the hell does that even mean? Marquette is largely a University for privileged and entitled kids of wealthy parents. Let’s be honest. Don’t confuse the basketball program with the reality of the University. Al recruited inner city kids in part because they could relate to the city environment and would feel comfortable.  He could get those types of kids to come to Marquette, its an urban University not necessarily a "gritty" one.

Perhaps true today, but not when I attended. It was pretty much a school where blue collar parents could afford to send their kids and become the first college graduates in their family.

[naginiF]

Perhaps true today, but not when I attended. It was pretty much a school where blue collar parents could afford to send their kids and become the first college graduates in their family.

It certainly was for privileged and entitled kids in the late 80's when I was there. I don't think we saw ourselves as such at the time but it was clear we were.

So it's been at least 35 years since the student body was 'gritty' which means its irrelevant in the framing of the institution today.

[#UnleashSean]

Perhaps true today, but not when I attended. It was pretty much a school where blue collar parents could afford to send their kids and become the first college graduates in their family.

In 1969 anyone could afford to go to college working part time at the gas station in the summer.

[willie warrior]

In 1969 anyone could afford to go to college working part time at the gas station in the summer.

That was back when people could afford to buy gas, at 29cents per gallon.

[tower912]

Trying to figure out how to frame a Jeffrey Dahmer joke with a 'gritty' student body. 

[Scoop Snoop]

Trying to figure out how to frame a Jeffrey Dahmer joke with a 'gritty' student body.

Try "meat eaters" references from Scoop. You are on your own for the gritty part of the joke though.

Spooky, but he lived on 15th Street so I walked by his apartment building many times my senior year.

[tower912]

Meat eaters is a nice touch.   On Google maps, I was showing coworkers how close I lived to him, how close the laundromat I used was to his place, explained how many Wells street bars were close to his place.   They are young enough that his is a name from history.   They were shocked.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

That was back when people could afford to buy gas, at 29cents per gallon.

..which is equivalent to $2.13 today. so gas prices haven't changed much.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

T we're paying almost double that in "Worker's Paradise" California

[Uncle Rico]

That was back when people could afford to buy gas, at 29cents per gallon.

I can afford gas

[jesmu84]

That was back when people could afford to buy gas, at 29cents per gallon.

Sure. But gas prices have held steady over time.

College costs have skyrocketed.

Wages have severely lagged.

[#UnleashSean]

Books are more expensive then room and board plus tuition was in 1969.

I bought one semesters worth of books. Then pirated pdf's and printed them off in the library. Way cheaper.

[mileskishnish72]

I thought he lived out around 26th & State.

[4everwarriors]

25th between Kilbourn and State, hey?

[rocky_warrior]

..which is equivalent to $2.13 today. so gas prices haven't changed much.

Also considering average of 13 MPG in 1969, and 25 MPG today, if you go with inflation adjusted $/mile
1969: $2.13 / 13 = $0.16 (0.163)
2021: $2.71 / 25  = $0.11 (0.1084)

Gas prices seem like an old man rant.

[burger]

25th between Kilbourn and State, hey?

He lived on 23rd between Wells and Wisconin in a white brick 3 story apartment complex with about 48ish units.....He lived on the 3rd floor......On the other side of the floor from a pair of friends of mine.....(they tore it down)(it was a pit)

Scarey $hit.....How close.....

One of his victims he picked up at the Bus Stop in front of McCormick.....Some HS run away kid.....

[tower912]

924 N.25th.

[4everwarriors]

Scary again, Fahrenheit. Ewe and Eye agree. Dat's beyond wild, aina?

[tower912]

Proud of you.   Still hope.   

[4everwarriors]

Yeah, keep hope alive, hey?