Do we see more transfers w or w/o Wojo?

[79Warrior]

Maybe, but we just don't know university's situation, and/ or wealthy donors willing to contribute. We'll see.

Let's put it this way, the University is not in a good financial situation.

[Viper]

anyone have Bo Ryan's ph #?

[dajudge]

anyone have Bo Ryan's ph #?

The massage therapist

[MarquetteMike1977]

In answering the poll it depends who the next coach would be.

[GooooMarquette]

I'm disappointed so few people voted Arby's.

[MU82]

I didn't say they would get drafted. This board should be very familiar with players going pro despite having little to no chance of getting drafted

Some folks just don't get it, TAMU.

I mean, Vander finally became a decent all-around college basketball player but there was zero chance of him getting drafted. Zero. Yet he left anyway. Scoopers said he was nuts ... and maybe he was ... but he left.

The fact that a guy might not - or even probably won't - get drafted is beside the point. Guys decide to end their college careers for all kinds of reasons. Maybe they feel they are ready, no matter what anybody says. Maybe they are getting bad advice. Maybe they simply do not want to be in college any more. Maybe their family needs the money, even if that money will be coming from them playing in Turkey.

This has proven true over and over and over again. And yet when anybody mentions that a player might leave to go pro, the knee-jerk reaction is, "He's not ready to go pro! Nobody will draft him!"

That has nothing to do with it.

[Silent Verbal]

To the people who want to give Wojo one more year so that we might keep Carton, Lewis, and Garcia...

If everything goes right and all three of those guys stay and the new recruits are better than expected and Theo follows Lavin's suggestion and stays for a year of graduate school ("Count me in for that!"-Dodds, earlier today) and we have a good season and make the Tournament, Wojo is going to leave anyway.  If we have a good year next year, he'll view it as his last, best chance to leave Marquette for another job on his own terms.  If Marquette allows him stay one more year and he has anything resembling success, he'll have to leave for the sake of his career.  Falling to the depths of this season a second time would be too great a risk.

It's over.  Whether it's this year or next year, Wojo is finished as the coach of Marquette.  The best thing we can do is get rid of him now and start rebuilding again.

[WarriorFan]

If Theo stays and we have another year of running the offense through the (super) senior who cannot see, cannot pass, cannot dribble, cannot shoot, is in everyone's way on offense, plays selective defense and has only one post move and to my recollection would be the only 6'9" or taller guy in NCAA history without an alley-top dunk then Wojo should stay too because they deserve each other.

[MU82]

If Theo stays and we have another year of running the offense through the (super) senior who cannot see, cannot pass, cannot dribble, cannot shoot, is in everyone's way on offense, plays selective defense and has only one post move and to my recollection would be the only 6'9" or taller guy in NCAA history without an alley-top dunk then Wojo should stay too because they deserve each other.

If every Marquette player performed his assigned role as well as Theo does his, we wouldn't be up shyte's creek without a paddle.

And as others have said many times, there will not be many seniors sticking around for another season.

[WarriorFan]

If every Marquette player performed his assigned role as well as Theo does his, we wouldn't be up shyte's creek without a paddle.

And as others have said many times, there will not be many seniors sticking around for another season.

I agree.  The problem is not Theo.  The problem is the assigned role.  Theo should be an off the bench guy who comes in and gets a few boards, maybe a garbage bucket or two, and blocks the occasional shot.  He should never intentionally be given the ball on offense.

[4everwarriors]

Some folks just don't get it, TAMU.

I mean, Vander finally became a decent all-around college basketball player but there was zero chance of him getting drafted. Zero. Yet he left anyway. Scoopers said he was nuts ... and maybe he was ... but he left.

The fact that a guy might not - or even probably won't - get drafted is beside the point. Guys decide to end their college careers for all kinds of reasons. Maybe they feel they are ready, no matter what anybody says. Maybe they are getting bad advice. Maybe they simply do not want to be in college any more. Maybe their family needs the money, even if that money will be coming from them playing in Turkey.

This has proven true over and over and over again. And yet when anybody mentions that a player might leave to go pro, the knee-jerk reaction is, "He's not ready to go pro! Nobody will draft him!"

That has nothing to do with it.

Hoos Bailey gettin' paid bye, hey?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I agree.  The problem is not Theo.  The problem is the assigned role.  Theo should be an off the bench guy who comes in and gets a few boards, maybe a garbage bucket or two, and blocks the occasional shot.  He should never intentionally be given the ball on offense.

I get frustrated with Theo as well. But he's an above average high major big.
Not exactly sure what you expect.

[MU82]

Hoos Bailey gettin' paid bye, hey?

I don't know what point you're trying to make, Doc, but you're actually proving mine.

Some Scoopers think that just because a player has little to no chance to be a pro means those players will not leave college to test the pro waters ... despite the fact that it happens over and over and over again, year after year after year, at school after school after school.

So when Scooper A says, "DJ might leave after this season to go pro," Scooper B responding by saying, "He's nowhere near ready to go pro," means nothing. Of course DJ isn't close to being ready to be a pro ... but he still very well might likely leave Marquette to try to be a pro.

Just as Bailey and Vander did.

[Galway Eagle]

I don't know what point you're trying to make, Doc, but you're actually proving mine.

Some Scoopers think that just because a player has little to no chance to be a pro means those players will not leave college to test the pro waters ... despite the fact that it happens over and over and over again, year after year after year, at school after school after school.

So when Scooper A says, "DJ might leave after this season to go pro," Scooper B responding by saying, "He's nowhere near ready to go pro," means nothing. Of course DJ isn't close to being ready to be a pro ... but he still very well might likely leave Marquette to try to be a pro.

Just as Bailey and Vander did.

Frolling and Niv as well

[Lennys Tap]

I don't know what point you're trying to make, Doc, but you're actually proving mine.

Some Scoopers think that just because a player has little to no chance to be a pro means those players will not leave college to test the pro waters ... despite the fact that it happens over and over and over again, year after year after year, at school after school after school.

So when Scooper A says, "DJ might leave after this season to go pro," Scooper B responding by saying, "He's nowhere near ready to go pro," means nothing. Of course DJ isn't close to being ready to be a pro ... but he still very well might likely leave Marquette to try to be a pro.

Just as Bailey and Vander did.

Don't mean to speak for Doc, but maybe he finds your Vander/Bailey comparison a stretch. It's true that neither was drafted, but one had a much better resume' and was/is a much better player. One was vary close to being an NBA player, one was not.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Don't mean to speak for Doc, but maybe he finds your Vander/Bailey comparison a stretch. It's true that neither was drafted, but one had a much better resume' and was/is a much better player. One was vary close to being an NBA player, one was not.

No one is comparing Vander and Bailey.

[MU82]

Don't mean to speak for Doc, but maybe he finds your Vander/Bailey comparison a stretch. It's true that neither was drafted, but one had a much better resume' and was/is a much better player. One was vary close to being an NBA player, one was not.

I think it's a stretch to say that, when he left college, Vander was "very close to being an NBA player." He wasn't drafted and he didn't get a legit sniff from a single NBA team. I don't want this to turn into one of those silly Scoop semantic battles that goes on for 50 comments, though, so if you think he was very close, I'll just respectfully disagree.

And really, my point wasn't about either Vander or Bailey. It was about the assumption that just because a player is nowhere near ready to be a pro he is unlikely to leave college to try to be a pro. Vander and Bailey were just given as two of the hundreds of examples across the college basketball landscape over the years. And DJ and Dawson would be other examples should either of them leave to go pro, for whatever reason.

For the record (and to take this to a different but slightly related topic) ...

DJ has a better chance to play in the NBA than either Vander or Bailey IMHO.

[brewcity77]

I think it's a stretch to say that, when he left college, Vander was "very close to being an NBA player." He wasn't drafted and he didn't get a legit sniff from a single NBA team.

He did play in 3 games for the Boston Celtics and I believe was on another 10-day contract with the 76ers. It's not like he was completely off the NBA radar.

[4everwarriors]

Pretty sure Eye'll declare two den, hey?

[MU82]

Pretty sure Eye'll declare two den, hey?

You don't have to. Thanks to COVID-19, you have another year of college eligibility.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I'm disappointed so few people voted Arby's.

The fan base clearly prefers Arby's.

[MU82]

He did play in 3 games for the Boston Celtics and I believe was on another 10-day contract with the 76ers. It's not like he was completely off the NBA radar.

OK ... so I guess we are going to have a semantics discussion about what "very close" means.

Vander was undrafted. He played on Houston and Memphis summer league teams but neither was impressed enough to sign him. He went to camp with the 76ers, because teams bring in a shyte-ton of players, but he never had a legit chance to make their roster and he was cut a month later. With no U.S. pro prospects, he signed to play in Israel, and that team cut him 2 months later. Signed to play in the D-League in January. Celtics, hit by a rash of injuries, signed him to a 10-day contract on 1/22/14. Played in 3 NBA games and then Boston chose not to give him another 10-day contract. He finished out the season playing for 2 other D-League teams.

That is not how I would define him being "very close to being an NBA player" after he made the decision to stop playing college ball. But again, if others think that is, that's A-OK with me.

And BTW, I am not downplaying Vander's pro career (nor did anybody say I was). He has played in 10 NBA games and has gotten some NBA paychecks, and that alone is an achievement. I continue to hope he finds success in whatever he chooses to do. He made the biggest shot of the entire 2012-13 Marquette basketball season and, arguably, also made the second-biggest shot that year, and I really enjoyed that season. So for those and his other contributions to MU hoops, I am grateful.

[Galway Eagle]

If I recall correctly Vander was on a few but not many, mock draft boards in the second round so that probably gives someone enough reasoning to assume he was close.

[Lennys Tap]

If I recall correctly Vander was on a few but not many, mock draft boards in the second round so that probably gives someone enough reasoning to assume he was close.

Vander was the best player/leader of a regular season Big East Champion and an Elite 8 team. BB was a guy on a team that did nothing. They are nowhere near comparable as basketball players.

[The Sultan]

If Vander were BB's size, he'd be playing in the NBA right now.  If BB were Vander's size, he may have won a t-shirt as a campus intramural champion.