Be honest, did you want Butler to pull it off?

[1SE]

There's no lottery pick at stake, but if you're hoping Wojo sees the door, sooner rather than later, is that enough to root against Marquette?

*ducks*

[1SE]

Frankly, I'm pretty torn between 1, 4 and 6. Which I guess tends to 6.

[mu_hilltopper]

MU is headed for the bottom half of the Big East for 5 of 7 years.

Marquette needs a new coach.  The end.

[CountryRoads]

I get frustrated with the results, but would never stoop a level of actually rooting against the team.

[Galway Eagle]

I get frustrated with the results, but would never stoop a level of actually rooting against the team.

+1

[GooooMarquette]

I get frustrated with the results, but would never stoop a level of actually rooting against the team.

Yep.

[Lennys Tap]

My head is resigned to the fact that Wojo's not the guy. But I start every game hoping that it will be the one where we turn the corner. I could never root for us to lose.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Wasnt rooting for a loss,  but fully expected one.

[lawdog77]

MU is headed for the bottom half of the Big East for 5 of 7 years.

Marquette needs a new coach.  The end.

If Providence beats Seton Hall, we are only a game out of the 5 spot. Technically Top Half of the conference. Grasping at straws.

[mu_hilltopper]

If Providence beats Seton Hall, we are only a game out of the 5 spot. Technically Top Half of the conference. Grasping at straws.

Found the MU Board of Trustees member.

[Goose]

I was not pulling for a loss. His body of work already is cause for getting canned IMO. Losing to some stiffs (again)  really is not needed for me to throw gas on the fire.

[connie]

Always rooting for the win, but rooting for a win to keep hope alive that we can still finish on top of the bottom half of the conference has a really sad and weird feeling to it.

[PGsHeroes32]

No. I never want losses. And this isnt the NBA were we can improve our draft choice or something.


I did admittingly actually find myself chuckling during the comeback which is not the standard.

Even though there is 0.01% chance we pull it off, we are still very mathematically alive for an at large. So winning only helps right now.

[dgies9156]

I was not pulling for a loss. His body of work already is cause for getting canned IMO. Losing to some stiffs (again)  really is not needed for me to throw gas on the fire.

The question that really needs to be answered is, "How does the rest of the world view us?"

By now, we know the Nojos basically rule and predominate Scoop. Most of us either have fond, fading memories of the Al years or lived through the excitement of the Buzz years. We have a level of excellence expectation that's not being met -- and shows little hope of being met.

But I have no clue what the non hard-core Warrior fan thinks. Do people who take an interest in our program but are not fanatical about it think the same as we do? Do the "butts in seats" who would normally show up if we had an audience think this program is in deep trouble? What's our television ratings like?

My fear is that as bad as things are, they could get far worse. Look at Vanderbilt. While their football sucks, they could count on having a competitive basketball team in the SEC year in and year out. They have a 15,500 seat arena and used to pack it. While their reputation was never as good as our's, they've been consistently strong until they hired their version of Coach Wojo -- Kevin Stallings.

Now they are the butt end of the SEC, routinely trampled on by that conference's equivalent of Depaul. They've gone from a big deal in Nashville to, "what have you done for me lately." In a city with NFL football and NHL hockey have strong and growing followings, Vanderbilt is the incredible shrinking butterfly.  This is a good comparison because Nashville has a similar amount of major sports to Milwaukee and the region faces competition from a state school three hours away (though, I admit, Vol football is on life sport right now).

So the question is, "can we stop it before it sinks to Depaul or Vanderbilt level?"

[Carl]

I don't see a voting option pertaining to those of us who had Marquette -3.5

[MUfan12]

No. I never want losses. And this isnt the NBA were we can improve our draft choice or something.

It felt very Herb Kohl-era Bucks to me. All those years they needed to tank to get better talent in, but they fought like hell for the eighth seed. So when they won it was a strange feeling... the competitor is happy, but you knew it just perpetuates the mediocrity.

Same with MU, honestly. It's abundantly clear Wojo doesn't have it. But it will have to get really bad for there to be any possibility of a change.

[willie warrior]

MU is headed for the bottom half of the Big East for 5 of 7 years.

Marquette needs a new coach.  The end.

Hmmmm....Two moderators have different views of Wojo-Dukiet."Theres somethin strange happenin here"--Buffalo Springfield

[BM1090]

I don't see a voting option pertaining to those of us who had Marquette -3.5

That was... not fun.

[JWags85]

My fear is that as bad as things are, they could get far worse. Look at Vanderbilt. While their football sucks, they could count on having a competitive basketball team in the SEC year in and year out. They have a 15,500 seat arena and used to pack it. While their reputation was never as good as our's, they've been consistently strong until they hired their version of Coach Wojo -- Kevin Stallings.

Now they are the butt end of the SEC, routinely trampled on by that conference's equivalent of Depaul. They've gone from a big deal in Nashville to, "what have you done for me lately." In a city with NFL football and NHL hockey have strong and growing followings, Vanderbilt is the incredible shrinking butterfly.  This is a good comparison because Nashville has a similar amount of major sports to Milwaukee and the region faces competition from a state school three hours away (though, I admit, Vol football is on life sport right now).

So the question is, "can we stop it before it sinks to Depaul or Vanderbilt level?"

I understand the point you're trying to make, but what?? I'm not championing Stallings, but Vandy has made 14 NCAAs in their history...7 were with Stallings.  In the last 40 years, they've made 4 S16s...2 were Stallings.  His career winning percentage is higher than Vandy's as a program, including the rough first years when he took over.  His last few years were bad, and Bryce Drew was a disaster, but Stallings wasn't some massive divergence from an illustrious program history

[NolongerWarriors]

Wasn't rooting for a loss when the game started but when MU began to gag and choke again, then I thought it might be best to lose and make it impossible for Wojo to return.

[rocky_warrior]

Hmmmm....Two moderators have different views of Wojo-Dukiet."Theres somethin strange happenin here"--Buffalo Springfield

For as sharp as you perceive yourself, I'd think you'd know Scoop is OK with differing opinions.  Hell, we've let you mope about literally everything on here for the past 14ish years.

[cheebs09]

It felt very Herb Kohl-era Bucks to me. All those years they needed to tank to get better talent in, but they fought like hell for the eighth seed. So when they won it was a strange feeling... the competitor is happy, but you knew it just perpetuates the mediocrity.

Same with MU, honestly. It's abundantly clear Wojo doesn't have it. But it will have to get really bad for there to be any possibility of a change.

This is where I'm at. I think MU's quickest path to success is a new coach next year. I'm not sure if we lose every remaining game, if the administration will pull the plug though.

[dgies9156]

I understand the point you're trying to make, but what?? I'm not championing Stallings, but Vandy has made 14 NCAAs in their history...7 were with Stallings.  In the last 40 years, they've made 4 S16s...2 were Stallings.  His career winning percentage is higher than Vandy's as a program, including the rough first years when he took over.  His last few years were bad, and Bryce Drew was a disaster, but Stallings wasn't some massive divergence from an illustrious program history

You are correct. Stallings lost it in his last few years -- kinda like Buzz in his last year with us -- and Drew was responsible for the Commodores becoming the Commodeidores.

My mistake.

[shoothoops]

I understand the point you're trying to make, but what?? I'm not championing Stallings, but Vandy has made 14 NCAAs in their history...7 were with Stallings.  In the last 40 years, they've made 4 S16s...2 were Stallings.  His career winning percentage is higher than Vandy's as a program, including the rough first years when he took over.  His last few years were bad, and Bryce Drew was a disaster, but Stallings wasn't some massive divergence from an illustrious program history

I agree with this. Stallings overall did just fine at Vandy, a place whose Admin historically supports Athletics far less than some of its peers. The year they lost to Georgetown on a Jeff Green travel, was a potential FF team. They had many strong regular season/NCAA seeded teams under him as well that were upset in the NCAA's. Many places don't end well for any coach.

Stallings was told before his 5th season by then VU Chancellor Gordon Gee, that if he didn't make the NCAA's that season, he'd be fired. (He made the Sweet 16)

Bryce Drew chased Five Star players. He also recruited some other good ones under the radar. Unfortunately for him, a few of those either got injured just before or just after the season. He didn't overcome those things Darius Garland (injury) s doing well in the NBA. Aaron Nesmith (injury) will be a good NBA player. Saben Lee is in the league. Shittu injury. Drew also recruited Disu and Pippen. Thus far Stack can develop Drew's players but not surprisingly, he isn't fond of recruiting. We'll see if he can get good enough players and string a few classes together.

They now have some stability in Athletic Administration, very successful non-revenue teams, a strong football hire and soon to be announced infrastructure spending and plans.

[MU82]

I will always, always, always root for my alma mater to win.