The Hey its 2021 now guys MLB thread

[The Sultan]

Re:Wainwright.

You aren't likely to get many objective responses here. The short answer is Adam has a good chance, yes. Is he going to get in as quickly as the Pujols and Molina? Probably not.

Adam has had a strong beginning, middle, and end to his career which helps his chances. He had a few untimely injuries right in the middle of his 4 top 3 or better CY Young seasons.

2009 (Tim Lincecum) 2010 Cy (Halladay), 2011 missed season with Tommy John Surgery. (Kershaw) 2014 (Kershaw) 2015 missed season with torn achilles. Adam is 1st in Cy Young shares of players to not have won the award.

Obviously he's been a good post season pitcher as well, in 28 games, WS Titles etc..and he has a lot of intangibles. New Yorkers still talk about his 2006 strikeout of Beltran to clinch the pennant. He's easily the most liked Cardinal by media, other teams, coaches, etc..and that won't hurt his case with some.

He's right at the number (might just miss) having 5 sub 3 E.R.A. seasons with 200 innings. Only Kershaw and Scherzer have done that in his era.

Instead of throwing too many cutters, especially early in the game, Adam figured out in recent years to throw your best pitch early and often. (Curveball) along with a sinker. Defense helps. The past 3 seasons the Cardinals have been among the league's best defenses, while being among the worst the couple of seasons prior. And his numbers in part reflect that.

Even back in the day Adam wasn't throwing 4 seam, high spin, top of zone stuff to get K's. That isn't how he pitched, and it wasn't a Dave Duncan philosophy at the time, (pitch to contact).

But he reached 2000 K's this season. And he has a chance for 200 wins next season. And he has several of those other stat padders such as leading the league in wins, shutouts, innings pitched, complete games, Silver Slugger, All Star appearances etc...

There are 15 pitchers in the MLB HOF with a worse bWAR than Adam.

So, Waino will certainly be in the discussion when he is finished. He re-signed for next season, (not necessarily his last.) We'll see.

Good lord.

[MU82]

I like Wainwright, but Curt Schilling was a better pitcher and he might never get in the HoF.

I'd call Wainwright a long shot, kind of like Mark Buehrle.

[Lennys Tap]

I like Wainwright, but Curt Schilling was a better pitcher and he might never get in the HoF.

I'd call Wainwright a long shot, kind of like Mark Buehrle.

The only reason Schilling isn't in already is because of politics.

[tower912]

Probably.

[HutchwasClutch]

The only reason Schilling isn't in already is because of politics.

Absolutely

[Uncle Rico]

The only reason Schilling isn't in already is because of politics.

Poor guy.  I'd keep him out for putting ketchup on his sock

[jficke13]

The only reason Schilling isn't in already is because of politics.

Or being an insufferable Jack wagon while talking about politics. The guy has made it his life's mission to be an insufferable buffoon to everyone he can and Womp womp.

"Oh no it's the consequences of my own actions!"

[The Sultan]

The only reason Schilling isn't in already is because of politics.

He's an addle minded, old white guy. Just like you. No wonder you think he's a victim.

[MU82]

The only reason Schilling isn't in already is because of politics.

Schilling was on the HoF ballot for several years before he got outwardly political, before he compared Muslims to Nazis, before he bashed trans people, before he "joked" that journalists should be lynched, before he spewed conspiracy theories.

Despite all his idiotic takes, his vote total actually increased after he made his most controversial comments. Indeed, in his most recent year on the ballot, more than 70% of the electorate voted for him.

[Dish]

Chaos still alive! Wild finish in Seattle!

[shoothoops]

Pretty good from Dave Sims:

https://twitter.com/Mariners/status/1444540238135644163?s=19

[CreightonWarrior]

Saw what you want about meaningless games but the brewers have absolutely no momentum going into the playoffs.

[wadesworld]

Saw what you want about meaningless games but the brewers have absolutely no momentum going into the playoffs.

This was a great weekend for the Brewers. Kershaw out, Buehler used today, Dodgers win 106, yet have to play the Cardinals in a single game just to get into the Playoffs. This was a best case scenario. Only concern is losing one of the three studs at the end of the bullpen.

[PGsHeroes32]

This was a great weekend for the Brewers. Kershaw out, Buehler used today, Dodgers win 106, yet have to play the Cardinals in a single game just to get into the Playoffs. This was a best case scenario. Only concern is losing one of the three studs at the end of the bullpen.

Not sure what the Dodgers using Buehler today has to do with benefiting the Brewers.

Scherzer was always starting the wild card. Should the Dodgers win. They don't play the Brewers. And Buehler is available for game 1 anyways.

[MU82]

Saw what you want about meaningless games but the brewers have absolutely no momentum going into the playoffs.

"Momentum is only good as tomorrow's starting pitcher."

-- quote often attributed to Earl Weaver

[Uncle Rico]

"Momentum is only good as tomorrow's starting pitcher."

-- quote often attributed to Earl Weaver

Last two teams to enter the postseason going 4-10 over their last 14 games won the World Series.

What does it all mean?  Nothing

[jficke13]

Saw what you want about meaningless games but the brewers have absolutely no momentum going into the playoffs.

IIRC the White Sox backed into the playoff in '05 and then ran roughshod to a title.

It all matters for nothing tbh, just scratch 3 out against Atl and try to get 4 against whoever comes outta the West.

[Dish]

I have it on good authority that if both AL Series go to game 4's, the Braves/Brewers will be a noon(ish) start next Monday.

I also have it on good authority the city of Chicago does not give a $hit if the Sox play at 3:30(ish) on Sunday at home while the marathon is wrapping up.

MLB has given zero/nada/nothing to the Brewers/Sox regarding their "requests" regarding start times.

[The Sultan]

I have it on good authority that if both AL Series go to game 4's, the Braves/Brewers will be a noon(ish) start next Monday.

I also have it on good authority the city of Chicago does not give a $hit if the Sox play at 3:30(ish) on Sunday at home while the marathon is wrapping up.

MLB has given zero/nada/nothing to the Brewers/Sox regarding their "requests" regarding start times.

I really am struggling to understand why this is taking so long.

[Pakuni]

The only reason Schilling isn't in already is because of politics.

Politics?
Is that what we're calling homophobia and Islamophobia these days?
But it is shocking that a guy who's called for the public execution of journalists has been unable to win over the journalists who vote on Hall of Fame enshrinement. Weird that journalists would question the character of a person that promotes the murder of their colleagues.

[ChuckyChip]

I really am struggling to understand why this is taking so long.

+1 - as a Brewer season ticket holder it would be nice to know what time the game will be on Friday so work, etc, can be arranged.  Not sure why they can't announce the game times.

[MU82]

Politics?
Is that what we're calling homophobia and Islamophobia these days?
But it is shocking that a guy who's called for the public execution of journalists has been unable to win over the journalists who vote on Hall of Fame enshrinement. Weird that journalists would question the character of a person that promotes the murder of their colleagues.

Except he HAS won over the considerably majority of BBWAA journalists who vote for the Hall (at least as it relates to his HoF candidacy), as he received more than 70% of the vote. One might even posit that they're better people than Schilling is.

[Uncle Rico]

Except he HAS won over the considerably majority of BBWAA journalists who vote for the Hall (at least as it relates to his HoF candidacy), as he received more than 70% of the vote. One might even posit that they're better people than Schilling is.

Curt Schilling is a scum bag

[JWags85]

I believe you all are referring to Curt Schilling, video game industry entrepreneurial genius and pioneer

[Mr. Nielsen]

Back to normal programming. Times are out.

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