Marquette Wearing Black in Honor of Jacob Blake

[Jockey]

I'm glad I have the fortitude to avoid these political discussions.

[Billy Hoyle]

I'll believe a black man was shot 7 times in the back by police.

But hey.  Let's open up the gates to the Capitol building for all these white people!  "When the looting starts, the shooting starts."  He must have cut that short.  "If you're black or in support of black people and equality in this country" would have made it accurate.

Two things that are unrelated. Virtue signal away!

[wadesworld]

Two things that are unrelated. Virtue signal away!

Not really.  You're upset that the team wore black jerseys and kneeled for the National Anthem in a form of protest and named Jacob Blake as someone they stand with.  Meanwhile, we're cool with police in DC letting white supremacists storm the Capitol.

[brewcity77]

It's funny those that are nojos, and vocal on every loss, are also anti-BLM. Strange how that works.

Also not how it works, because I'm not in favor of Wojo, but am definitely not anti-BLM.

[Lennys Tap]

I'm glad I have the fortitude to avoid these political discussions.

Good for you, Jockey!!

[avid1010]

Morale is important.  No they weren't drafted to do this job, but tell me how do you get quality individuals to do this job when they are vilified, judged and tried based upon social media video and "facts" that are immediately put out and then disproven but remain the narrative.  Examples in this case: the officers didn't do anything before shooting, Blake was there to break up a neighborhood fight, he was returning to his vehicle just trying to kind his own business.   
Google knife attacks against police to see horrific videos of police being attacked by knives
I would encourage those who don't have law enforcement experience to speak with a trained officer and discuss this case and others in regards to your concerns. It is eye opening
I am not naive enough to believe that there are no concerns with law enforcement.  But the wholesale vilification which many do is uncalled for.
My ideas for reform (many which mean more money not less to police
1. Body cams for all police departments.  Maybe need federal money for this
2. 2 man squads.   Protects officers and the public
3. Improved training for training officers
4. Longer more extensive training.  My son has a college degree and he gets the same training as a 19 year old former police aid. 
5 physical fitness requirements for officers
6. Evaluations of incidents with all involved major and minor.  On my hospital unit we identified incidents that had potential for bad outcomes as well as bad outcomes and we reviewed them as a team, giving lessons learned to those involved and not involved.  As someone said patterns of behavior should and can be tracked and dealt with hopefully before tragic outcomes
7. Mental health care for officers.  Most of us can't imagine what these officers have to deal with daily.  And yes I know they signed up for the job.   We want to keep them mentally healthy to perform it
8. Decrease the power of unions. I have no idea how you do this

Morale is important.  When teacher unions got smashed and police kepth their unions I must have missed the police worrying about the teacher unions and teacher morale.

When the sheriff of Kenosha made extremely racist comments, I must have missed when fellow police stood up against him and said he was hurting the morale of people of color.

So I agree with much of what you suggest, and I know many great police officers, but I don't think you get to play the morale card.  If you even think about going there, think about the morale of our black and brown youth. 

The police love Trum and Trump has repeatedly stoked racial tensions and was clear in stating he loved those morons who took over the capitol at his request, and I must have missed the part where his supporters showed their love for police.

Perhaps someone can tell me when we have ever seen anything like this with protests involving people of color. 
https://twitter.com/DanielNewman/status/1346941975237419009?s=09

I have a degree from MU and know many great priests...that said, the sexual assults by priests and the cover up doesn't have me worried about the morale of Catholics or priests. 

[rocky_warrior]

https://twitter.com/DanielNewman/status/1346941975237419009?s=09

That video is very suspect and I wish people would stop sharing it.  There are already civilians behind the fence as you can see by the guy in sweats waving everyone on, and as the camera pans.  For all we know, the police we escorting people out of the fenced off area.  Like I said, more confusion that clarity from the short video.

[wadesworld]

That video is very suspect and I wish people would stop sharing it.  There are already civilians behind the fence as you can see by the guy in sweats waving everyone on, and as the camera pans.  For all we know, the police we escorting people out of the fenced off area.  Like I said, more confusion that clarity from the short video.

Can I share the video of the police officer taking selfies with the "protesters" inside the Capitol?

[rocky_warrior]

Can I share the video of the police officer taking selfies with the "protesters" inside the Capitol?

You can share whatever you like, that particular (selfie) video seems to be disturbingly accurate.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

The police love Trum and Trump has repeatedly stoked racial tensions and was clear in stating he loved those morons who took over the capitol at his request, and I must have missed the part where his supporters showed their love for police.

Perhaps someone can tell me when we have ever seen anything like this with protests involving people of color. 
https://twitter.com/DanielNewman/status/1346941975237419009?s=09

Have you been under a rock for four years?  Trump's message was to rise everyone up . People of color did far better the last four than anytime in history that' swhy they voted for him in record numbers.  His message to those listening was he wanted the people to benefit from America not just the politically connected.

[wadesworld]

Have you been under a rock for four years?  Trump's message was to rise everyone up . People of color did far better the last four than anytime in history that' swhy they voted for him in record numbers.  His message to those listening was he wanted the people to benefit from America not just the politically connected.

Lol. Yeah. Donald Trump. For America, baby.

[CountryRoads]

Not seeing this being reported much nationally, but it looks like BLM militant (and leader of Insurgence USA) John Earle Sullivan was arrested in connection with the Capitol breaching. He was reportedly one of the only people to get video of the shooting yesterday. Wonder what that's all about.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIesAjylQ8v/?igshid=qn1hdej0vq4d

[Jockey]

Can I share the video of the police officer taking selfies with the "protesters" inside the Capitol?

It was also very inspiring to see a cop holding the hand of a terrorist helping her down the Capitol steps. 


Gonna be a lot of stuff coming out about the cops and the Defense Department. The coup attempt didn't just materialize Wednesday morning.

[jesmu84]

That video is very suspect and I wish people would stop sharing it.  There are already civilians behind the fence as you can see by the guy in sweats waving everyone on, and as the camera pans.  For all we know, the police we escorting people out of the fenced off area.  Like I said, more confusion that clarity from the short video.

Clarity

https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/1347174957613199360?s=19

[avid1010]

That video is very suspect and I wish people would stop sharing it.  There are already civilians behind the fence as you can see by the guy in sweats waving everyone on, and as the camera pans.  For all we know, the police we escorting people out of the fenced off area.  Like I said, more confusion that clarity from the short video.

So let me explain that video to you, as I had it explained to me by a friend who is a retired black cop/detective.  POLICE ARE TRAINED TO NEVER TURN THEIR BACK TO A POSSIBLE THREAT.   He was appauled they didn't view those protesters as being possibly violent, and absolutely felt it would have looked different if they were people of color, Muslim, etc.

[jesmu84]

Not seeing this being reported much nationally, but it looks like BLM militant (and leader of Insurgence USA) John Earle Sullivan was arrested in connection with the Capitol breaching. He was reportedly one of the only people to get video of the shooting yesterday. Wonder what that's all about.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIesAjylQ8v/?igshid=qn1hdej0vq4d

Source on this guy being arrested in DC? The link you shared connects him to the Utah legislative building.

Please, please, please tell us you're trying to further say that BLM/antifa is behind what happened in DC

[avid1010]

Have you been under a rock for four years?  Trump's message was to rise everyone up . People of color did far better the last four than anytime in history that' swhy they voted for him in record numbers.  His message to those listening was he wanted the people to benefit from America not just the politically connected.

Thanks...I was under some crazy rock where people, many with ties to racist hate groups, stormed the capitol after being told to do so by Trump...and then Trump failed to call in the National Guard, so Pence finally did after 90 minutes, while Trump released a video saying he loved those patriots.  I clearly need to get out more.  I saw "proud boys" shirts, "6mwe" shirts (6 million jews killed weren't enough), confederate flags, nazi gear, etc.  Then I heard Trump say he loved them and they were very special.

And since when does losing the black vote by roughly 80 % points signal a success?

Blacks can and should be Republicans if they choose...that's obvious.  Racism is alive and well in both parties, in law enforcement, in education, etc.  To act like Trump hasn't stoked racial flames is simply insane.

There's good people on both sides.  Stand down and stand by buddy.  I love you...you are very special. 

[vogue65]

Have you been under a rock for four years?  Trump's message was to rise everyone up . People of color did far better the last four than anytime in history that' swhy they voted for him in record numbers.  His message to those listening was he wanted the people to benefit from America not just the politically connected.

My friend Darrel lived in Newark, he was a black Republican, one of the 8% or so of blacks who are Republicans.  Most blacks who knew him thought him a lityle strange for being a Republican and would talk behind his back.

He was into reale state, read between the lines, drove a fancy car, dressed well and had a great personality. 

He never wore a mask and one day Covid got him, he died, may he rest in peace.  His defiance was his political statement and showed his loyality to the president and the party.  When some people make it they turn Republican, you know, hard work, low taxes, law and order, charter schools, anti abortion, gun rights, etc..  That's nothing new, the Irish do it, the Italians do it, the Cubans and  Poles do it.

One life lost because of misinformation may not seem like much, it's only one life, it's just some black Republican in Newark.  Pitty.

[5DollarPitcher]

Is it politics now, Rocky?

[avid1010]

Is it politics now, Rocky?

Yeah...our team and university are making a political stand and we're discussing it. 

[5DollarPitcher]

Yeah...our team and university are making a political stand and we're discussing it.

I was told by Rocky and Wades the stand wasn't political. That's all. Strange how the conversation would tangentially bring us to Trump, Antifa, etc, if the team's stand wasn't political.

Can't say I didn't see it coming though.

[vogue65]

I was told by Rocky and Wades the stand wasn't political. That's all. Strange how the conversation would tangentially bring us to Trump, Antifa, etc, if the team's stand wasn't political.

Can't say I didn't see it coming though.

Perhaps BLM is not "political", it might be ethical, historical, or spiritual.

Can someone be a Republican and a supporter of BLM?
Why not?

How about a Republican who is against fascists?
Why not?

Because our media give us our political beliefs.  They define everything, they brand everything.

Are Republicans anti China?  Is Boeing against one of it's bigest customers?
We trade with China, we sell them Boeing 777's, they sell us junk for Walmart, what a deal.

I have a BLM sticker on my car (Democrat), my car is a Volkswagen (Republican), I am a member of the Ametican Legion (Republican), I am a Marquette basketball fan and they support BLM ( Democrat), I'm a member of the ACLU (Democrat), I play golf (Republican), I play at a public course (Democrat).

So we spend our time fighting for our brand, our team, our tribe and we fight among ourselves.
I'm tired of talking points, stereotypes and argumentative small minded thinking.  If that's what politics has become, as Lindsey Graham said last night, you can count me out.

Anyone have any good new ideas that can solve one of our real problems?

[5DollarPitcher]

Perhaps BLM is not "political", it might be ethical, historical, or spiritual.

Can someone be a Republican and a supporter of BLM?
Why not?

How about a Republican who is against fascists?
Why not?

Because our media give us our political beliefs.  They define everything, they brand everything.

Are Republicans anti China?  Is Boeing against one of it's bigest customers?
We trade with China, we sell them Boeing 777's, they sell us junk for Walmart, what a deal.

I have a BLM sticker on my car (Democrat), my car is a Volkswagen (Republican), I am a member of the Ametican Legion (Republican), I am a Marquette basketball fan and they support BLM ( Democrat), I'm a member of the ACLU (Democrat), I play golf (Republican), I play at a public course (Democrat).

So we spend our time fighting for our brand, our team, our tribe and we fight among ourselves.
I'm tired of talking points, stereotypes and argumentative small minded thinking.  If that's what politics has become, as Lindsey Graham said last night, you can count me out.

Anyone have any good new ideas that can solve one of our real problems?

Nothing that you say is untrue. But it's still political. That's the whole point.

To think that political is strictly Republican vs Democrat and my saying that the stand was political means I'm cornering the BLM movement into one of those two boxes and everybody that's X believes Y is just not understanding what it means to say something is "political".

Political is defined as relating to the government or the public affairs of a country. All of this rhetoric is political under the scope of that definition. No matter what your own personal beliefs may be.

[Dawson Rental]

What am I doing reading this thread?
Oh yeah, I wanted to see how it got to 13 pages without being locked.

[willie warrior]

Perhaps BLM is not "political", it might be ethical, historical, or spiritual.

Can someone be a Republican and a supporter of BLM?
Why not?

How about a Republican who is against fascists?
Why not?

Because our media give us our political beliefs.  They define everything, they brand everything.

Are Republicans anti China?  Is Boeing against one of it's bigest customers?
We trade with China, we sell them Boeing 777's, they sell us junk for Walmart, what a deal.

I have a BLM sticker on my car (Democrat), my car is a Volkswagen (Republican), I am a member of the Ametican Legion (Republican), I am a Marquette basketball fan and they support BLM ( Democrat), I'm a member of the ACLU (Democrat), I play golf (Republican), I play at a public course (Democrat).

So we spend our time fighting for our brand, our team, our tribe and we fight among ourselves.
I'm tired of talking points, stereotypes and argumentative small minded thinking.  If that's what politics has become, as Lindsey Graham said last night, you can count me out.

Anyone have any good new ideas that can solve one of our real problems?

Yeah. Here is the good news. Both political parties are totally corrupt and are useless liars
Time to start over