Marquette Wearing Black in Honor of Jacob Blake

[rocky_warrior]

But the wholesale vilification which many do is uncalled for.

I agree with your whole post except that part.  I guess it depends on how you define "many", but there are very few, you could say "some" who are advocating wholesale vilification.  I don't see anyone here saying that, nor "many" in the general public (using my definition of many).

[Galway Eagle]

My bad Rocky.

Hope you can forgive me   

[Viper]

As Fluffy has atoned to, the title of this thread didn't fully capture the statement by the team. Injustice is often not 100% right or wrong. A guilty person can be treated as unjustly as an innocent one.  Blake can be guilty of his crimes, but still be treated unjustly. If we support injustice for even the guiltiest of persons, we all have lost as a democracy.

A Jesuit education teaches us to challenge all injustices, including those by its own hand. Be the Difference. The team simply chose to wear a uniform and have a reflection. While we may or may not 100% support their statement, we all should support their position. We are all better for their action, and all MU alumni should be proud. This is what we were taught. This is how we should live our lives.

We can all continue to bloviate mindlessly on a message board to no effect, or we can go out and "be the difference" as our team did last night.

...The special uniform display just seems so contrived. Like taking a knee. Without creativity. Why didn't MU protest a Hispanic police chief getting unjustly fired in Milwaukee? Why hasn't MU condemned violence AGAINST police? Where is the organized protest against domestic violence, Mr. Lovell? Child sex trafficking? Crickets.
Should Blake have been shot in the back? No. Emphatically no. But there has to be a better way to go about bringing attention to a cause. With that, there should be consistency in seeking justice for ALL lives. Do police lives matter? How about innocent lives lost tonight on American streets due to gun violence? Where's the organized cause for them? Will MU wear a special uni in their honor? Black lives matter? Damn straight. Asian lives, Hispanic, Caucasian, and do on. ALL LIVES.
And if I might add a basketball comment...MU has the $ for a Wojo goodbye. No doubt about it.

[Afroman]

I can't help but wonder what the crowds would be like at these games if fans were allowed in the arena -- More vocal/outspoken than usual? Smaller? Indifferent? I have to think that attendance will be taking a significant dip next season.

[tower912]

I just hope they don't wear brown in support of the attempted coup.

[The Sultan]

...The special uniform display just seems so contrived. Like taking a knee. Without creativity. Why didn't MU protest a Hispanic police chief getting unjustly fired in Milwaukee? Why hasn't MU condemned violence AGAINST police? Where is the organized protest against domestic violence, Mr. Lovell? Child sex trafficking? Crickets.
Should Blake have been shot in the back? No. Emphatically no. But there has to be a better way to go about bringing attention to a cause. With that, there should be consistency in seeking justice for ALL lives. Do police lives matter? How about innocent lives lost tonight on American streets due to gun violence? Where's the organized cause for them? Will MU wear a special uni in their honor? Black lives matter? Damn straight. Asian lives, Hispanic, Caucasian, and do on. ALL LIVES.
And if I might add a basketball comment...MU has the $ for a Wojo goodbye. No doubt about it.

Right.  Because unless people protest EVERY injustice, they should be criticized for protesting one.

Very intellectually lazy on your part.

[wadesworld]

If you are anti-BLM but a Dwyane Wade fan, I would recommend NOT checking out his Twitter or Instagram accounts.

[Galway Eagle]

...The special uniform display just seems so contrived. Like taking a knee. Without creativity. Why didn't MU protest a Hispanic police chief getting unjustly fired in Milwaukee? Why hasn't MU condemned violence AGAINST police? Where is the organized protest against domestic violence, Mr. Lovell? Child sex trafficking? Crickets.
Should Blake have been shot in the back? No. Emphatically no. But there has to be a better way to go about bringing attention to a cause. With that, there should be consistency in seeking justice for ALL lives. Do police lives matter? How about innocent lives lost tonight on American streets due to gun violence? Where's the organized cause for them? Will MU wear a special uni in their honor? Black lives matter? Damn straight. Asian lives, Hispanic, Caucasian, and do on. ALL LIVES.
And if I might add a basketball comment...MU has the $ for a Wojo goodbye. No doubt about it.

The only one that might be relevant is the Hispanic mention due to Garcia and Perez. Everything else isn't relevant to young black men playing basketball... in Milwaukee where Kareem has mentioned racism and more recently sterling brown happened

[We R Final Four]

It's funny those that are nojos, and vocal on every loss, are also anti-BLM. Strange how that works.

[willie warrior]

It's funny those that are nojos, and vocal on every loss, are also anti-BLM. Strange how that works.

So what is your point. That nojos are against anti nuclear family communists. Or tha Pro jos are communists?

[tower912]

It's funny those that are nojos, and vocal on every loss, are also anti-BLM. Strange how that works.

I disagree that there is causality there.   There are far more anti Wojo's than anti BLM people.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Not sure this has been posted ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m0CRt0_vYg

It's the nearly 2 hour press conference from the Kenosha County DA that painstakingly lays out the evidence and how they arrived at a charging decision.

It is the definitive set of information, and if one has doubts about the case, one needs to watch it before trying to argue.

Saw most of this in real time (preempting Jeopardy BTW) and agree the DA did a terrific job.

[Billy Hoyle]

Saw most of this in real time (preempting Jeopardy BTW) and agree the DA did a terrific job.

Saw it as well. 30 second cellphone video or the mountains of documents and testimony, including testimony from Blake. What to believe...

[wadesworld]

Saw it as well. 30 second cellphone video or the mountains of documents and testimony, including testimony from Blake. What to believe...

I'll believe a black man was shot 7 times in the back by police.

But hey.  Let's open up the gates to the Capitol building for all these white people!  "When the looting starts, the shooting starts."  He must have cut that short.  "If you're black or in support of black people and equality in this country" would have made it accurate.

[vogue65]

Morale is important.  No they weren't drafted to do this job, but tell me how do you get quality individuals to do this job when they are vilified, judged and tried based upon social media video and "facts" that are immediately put out and then disproven but remain the narrative.  Examples in this case: the officers didn't do anything before shooting, Blake was there to break up a neighborhood fight, he was returning to his vehicle just trying to kind his own business.   
Google knife attacks against police to see horrific videos of police being attacked by knives
I would encourage those who don't have law enforcement experience to speak with a trained officer and discuss this case and others in regards to your concerns. It is eye opening
I am not naive enough to believe that there are no concerns with law enforcement.  But the wholesale vilification which many do is uncalled for.
My ideas for reform (many which mean more money not less to police
1. Body cams for all police departments.  Maybe need federal money for this
2. 2 man squads.   Protects officers and the public
3. Improved training for training officers
4. Longer more extensive training.  My son has a college degree and he gets the same training as a 19 year old former police aid. 
5 physical fitness requirements for officers
6. Evaluations of incidents with all involved major and minor.  On my hospital unit we identified incidents that had potential for bad outcomes as well as bad outcomes and we reviewed them as a team, giving lessons learned to those involved and not involved.  As someone said patterns of behavior should and can be tracked and dealt with hopefully before tragic outcomes
7. Mental health care for officers.  Most of us can't imagine what these officers have to deal with daily.  And yes I know they signed up for the job.   We want to keep them mentally healthy to perform it
8. Decrease the power of unions. I have no idea how you do this

Morale is important, but it is not my problem, shooting unarmed citizens in the back is the issue, not morale.

With all due respect, a claim to authority is illogical.  That means my position before I retired, my educational institutions, my connections, my family and friends, my mother, are all irrevelant.

I like your list of police reform, I agree 100%, it is a great start.  You being a health-care professional or the mother of a police afficer is unnecessary to sell your good ideas. Your good ideas stand on their own merit.

We could add to your list civilian review boards, Justice Department oversight, demilitarization,
expanded mental health services to include the family, annual suicide prevention training, come to mind off the top of my head.

The reason we need universal civilian review is because without it we have prosecutorial discretion.   That is lawyer talk for, the fix is in. 

[jesmu84]

Review Newark's policies if you want to see success. Their data is impressive

[vogue65]

Review Newark's policies if you want to see success. Their data is impressive

Who would have thunk it.  Yes, I'm familiar with it.  They have come a long way.
Believe me, this is not my lane.
The patrol book is also superior.
A little in the weeds, but, effective policies and procedures are vitally important.
Now for my bias.
Most Midwest rube towns don't even have patrol standards, beyond shoot first then, eventually, call backup and an ambulance.
A little over the top, I know.

[rocky_warrior]

Saw it as well. 30 second cellphone video or the mountains of documents and testimony, including testimony from Blake. What to believe...

You do understand the difference between the ability to bring a case, vs the idea that everything was justified, no?

[vogue65]

You do understand the difference between the ability to bring a case, vs the idea that everything was justified, no?

Do you understand the difference between the ability to bring a case (prosecutorial discretion), vs. justice, ethics, human compasion?

The criminal justice system needs to be overhauled.

Policing policy and procedures need to be changed.

This is not my field.  All I know is that the system is broken and the prosecutors, public defenders,
police chiefs and the courts have not been willing or able to fix it.  Without corrective action and systemic change we will have more shootings, killings, and breakdowns in society.

[WhiteTrash]

It's funny those that are nojos, and vocal on every loss, are also anti-BLM. Strange how that works.

Because Wojo is black? How about the NoJos stumping for black coaches for his replacement?

Looking for racism where there is none does not help the cause, in fact it hurts it.

Oh well, it is your right to live in a world of stereotypes.


 

[rocky_warrior]

Do you understand the difference between the ability to bring a case (prosecutorial discretion), vs. justice, ethics, human compasion?

Vogue - using my vogue to dummies translator I've determined we're in agreement (and saying the same thing).

[vogue65]

Vogue - using my vogue to dummies translator I've determined we're in agreement (and saying the same thing).

Ha, you're not the only one who needs to translate my thinking.
When I was shrunk at Wright Paterson the A.F. stood me up in front of the class as an example of something.  It didn't help. 
Yes, I know we agree on this one.  Most people don't understand what goes on between the legal system and ethics and justice.
A Justice Department team once told me that some people want something like money and some people want justice, they want to prove a point.  I got it.
Most people don't know how the system works and then they get a resentment.
Thanks.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Serious question - why wouldn't the team continue to wear black uniforms for the rest of the season (to support BLM and bring attention to social justice initiatives)?  We could wear them at home on on road games (since majority of teams where white uniforms at home).  If they wanted to mix up the lines/numbers on the jersey, they can rotate between the yellow and teal sets. 

Let's just be honest - after the events yesterday - athletes' messaging and calls will only grow louder in sports in the near (and probably long) term. 

[Galway Eagle]

Serious question - why wouldn't the team continue to wear black uniforms for the rest of the season (to support BLM and bring attention to social justice initiatives)?  We could wear them at home on on road games (since majority of teams where white uniforms at home).  If they wanted to mix up the lines/numbers on the jersey, they can rotate between the yellow and teal sets. 

Let's just be honest - after the events yesterday - athletes' messaging and calls will only grow louder in sports in the near (and probably long) term.

Couldnt wear them against depaul and Providence

[The Lens]

It's funny those that are nojos, and vocal on every loss, are also anti-BLM. Strange how that works.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!  I would wear a BLM tee shirt while driving Wojo to the airport.  Let's stop generalizing.  I want social justice for all and a of bunch of S16 runs.