Marquette Wearing Black in Honor of Jacob Blake

[dgies9156]

If only people would simply comply with authority there would never be police brutality.

https://youtu.be/oLiwQ5uVECY

You could find thousands of examples. But hey. Just comply with authority guys.

What we should demand, as a starting point, are better trained police officers. Police officers who understand what Brother BLM is speaking about. Police officers who appreciate the history between the African-American community and local authorities. Police officers, who when threatened with a knife, don't keep firing after disabling a threat to them.

We really want police officers who don't burst into the wrong house and denigrate the resident. Or police officers who or kill someone without cause.

I think we're all in agreement that there are problems between police officers and the communities they supposedly protect. That's a recurring theme here. So now, how do you fix it? From Marquette's standpoint, what are they doing in their Criminal Justice department, Law School and Social Work schools to train tomorrow's police officers? How's the training and focus different than 10 years ago?

That's probably where I'd start rather than using an unfocused basketball team as a mouthpiece for the university.

[vogue65]

What we should demand, as a starting point, are better trained police officers. Police officers who understand what Brother BLM is speaking about. Police officers who appreciate the history between the African-American community and local authorities. Police officers, who when threatened with a knife, don't keep firing after disabling a threat to them.

We really want police officers who don't burst into the wrong house and denigrate the resident. Or police officers who or kill someone without cause.

I think we're all in agreement that there are problems between police officers and the communities they supposedly protect. That's a recurring theme here. So now, how do you fix it? From Marquette's standpoint, what are they doing in their Criminal Justice department, Law School and Social Work schools to train tomorrow's police officers? How's the training and focus different than 10 years ago?

That's probably where I'd start rather than using an unfocused basketball team as a mouthpiece for the university.

With all do respect, the police training excuse is nonsense.  It's police union lawyer bull.
And what does " unfocused" team mean?

Anyone who shoots a guy with a knife in the back, who "shoots" to kill, is a coward.  That's what we want, a police force of fearful bullies?  If we are in a firefight I'd kill you in a nanosecond and have no problem.

I don't understand shoot to kill in your back.

Rid the police of bullies and thugs, demilitarize the police.  Get rid of the dogs, horses, tanks, and pyrotechnics.  Use fire tactics, surround it and drown it.

That's it for me, it's bad for my blood pressure.  People who need guns to be a man are pathetic.   

[The Big East]

Killings for Head Coach .

[dgies9156]

With all do redpect, the police training excuse is nonsence.

Then, with appropriate respect, what do you propose we do?

[The Sultan]

Let's see Wades...wanted felon when it happened, resisting arrest, multiple taser attempts didn't subdue him, armed with a knife, kids in van he did not have full custody over and threatening to take off with them.

How about that, missed a few details. Well, there's a first time for everything.   

Obviously he deserved it then.  Good to know where you stand.

[vogue65]

Then, with appropriate respect, what do you propose we do?

Hire real men/women, not fearful bullies and thugs.
Demilitarize.
Outlaw shooting anyone in the back.
Get rid of police unions.  I'm pro union, I was a member of the UAW while at Marquette, Allis Chalmers.
Get rid of the blue line, the fraternity of bullies, the FOP.  (Fraternal Order of Police)
It's not the training its the tactics that need change.  Poor training is just an excuse, its bad apple police officers that is the problem and their supporters.
With all due respect, read the rest of my post.

[The Sultan]

I won't ever understand how you can't understand that a guy with a previous warrant out for rape, disorderly conduct, and stealing a car is shot when the police are called and they know he has a warrant for these crimes.

The guy is told to get on the ground, he doesn't.  He's tased twice by two separate officers, and nothing.   The guy starts walking to the car, opens the door as the cop is on his back yelling at him to stop.  There's a knife in the door. He gets shot 7 times.   

I get it, and understand why/how it happened.  Police are trained to shoot to kill. (Whether that should be a part of new police reform is up for discussion) although in this case, the officer did what he's trained to do.

Respect authority.  That never was going to happen given his past and the events that led up to the shooting.

Obviously you think he deserved it.  Probably the only reason he is alive because the officer cared so deeply for him that he left him paralyzed instead.

[The Sultan]

I don't remember Marquette basketball players being upset when four Milwaukee Police officers were killed in 2018 and 2019.

Ah yes.  Because if one can't be upset at ALL injustices, they can't be upset at any.

Just another stupid talking point from stupid people.

[coffee cup]

"I'm sure Theo will take back his sentiment so you don't leave."

He seems like a man of strong convictions in this matter so I doubt it.

Regardless, again, I wish him and his teammates well.

[vogue65]

The reason prosecuters do what they do is that they live in the community.
Many are elected officials and have to do what the people want, to hell with justice or the law.
That is why we need federal oversight.

[mu_hilltopper]

Not sure this has been posted ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m0CRt0_vYg

It's the nearly 2 hour press conference from the Kenosha County DA that painstakingly lays out the evidence and how they arrived at a charging decision.

It is the definitive set of information, and if one has doubts about the case, one needs to watch it before trying to argue.

[The Sultan]

Topper, I agree after watching the news that the officer should not have been charged.  I think the DA laid out a really good case for why.

However that doesn't mean he handled it well.  And it most certainly doesn't mean that MU shouldn't wear black in support.

[dgies9156]

With all do respect, the police training excuse is nonsense.  It's police union lawyer bull.
And what does " unfocused" team mean?

Anyone who shoots a guy with a knife in the back, who "shoots" to kill, is a coward.  That's what we want, a police force of fearful bullies?  If we are in a firefight I'd kill you in a nanosecond and have no problem.

I don't understand shoot to kill in your back.

Rid the police of bullies and thugs, demilitarize the police.  Get rid of the dogs, horses, tanks, and pyrotechnics.  Use fire tactics, surround it and drown it.

That's it for me, it's bad for my blood pressure.  People who need guns to be a man are pathetic.

First of all, we're largely in agreement. The machismo culture that pervades most police departments needs to go. I agree, how many police departments need tanks, heavy arms hand grenades and a host of other weapons better suited for a battlefield than an American neighborhood. Dogs are for loving and hunting, not intimidating.

Second, we need better gun laws. We really do. Part of the reason for the arms race with police departments and undoubtedly part of the problems we're having between police and communities is the militarization of American society. When, here in Florida, it's easier to get a concealed carry permit than a driver's license, we know we have problems. Police, naturally, fear for their lives when they come in contact with the public because too many of us are armed. We really need to dial back the number of firearms in this country. Of course, the chances of that happening are close to zero.

Third, while I agree that we need to hold police accountable, to remove the "thugs" and "bullies" is easier said than done. For one thing, the police are unionized public employees. In today's world, American public employee unions are among the most power trade unions in the world. Breaking the Fraternal Order of Police is about as easy as, say, Vanderbilt being in the football national championship. I suppose it's possible, but....

Also, how do you define "thug" and "bully". This isn't porn where, "you know it when you see it." You must have an objective and quantifiable standard. It's easy to identify the officers in the Laquon McDonald incident and terminate them. Same for George Floyd. But on a day-to-day basis, setting standards for what you want in a police department begins with recruitment (i.e., college grads) and training. That isn't easy because society has conflicting expectations for what is desired in a police officer.

Ultimately, the police officer is the first line of social worker in a community. Police officers maintain order, mediate disputes, protect victims and potential victims and preserve the rights of all of us.

[vogue65]

Topper, I agree after watching the news that the officer should not have been charged.  I think the DA laid out a really good case for why.

However that doesn't mean he handled it well.  And it most certainly doesn't mean that MU shouldn't wear black in support.

The police officer should not be a police officer, the "case" his union made notwithstanding.
I would not like to have anything to do with him.  His not being charged has nothing to do with it.
Not being charged does not make him a goid person.  Winning a case does not make him a stand up person.

[vogue65]

First of all, we're largely in agreement. The machismo culture that pervades most police departments needs to go. I agree, how many police departments need tanks, heavy arms hand grenades and a host of other weapons better suited for a battlefield than an American neighborhood. Dogs are for loving and hunting, not intimidating.

Second, we need better gun laws. We really do. Part of the reason for the arms race with police departments and undoubtedly part of the problems we're having between police and communities is the militarization of American society. When, here in Florida, it's easier to get a concealed carry permit than a driver's license, we know we have problems. Police, naturally, fear for their lives when they come in contact with the public because too many of us are armed. We really need to dial back the number of firearms in this country. Of course, the chances of that happening are close to zero.

Third, while I agree that we need to hold police accountable, to remove the "thugs" and "bullies" is easier said than done. For one thing, the police are unionized public employees. In today's world, American public employee unions are among the most power trade unions in the world. Breaking the Fraternal Order of Police is about as easy as, say, Vanderbilt being in the football national championship. I suppose it's possible, but....

Also, how do you define "thug" and "bully". This isn't porn where, "you know it when you see it." You must have an objective and quantifiable standard. It's easy to identify the officers in the Laquon McDonald incident and terminate them. Same for George Floyd. But on a day-to-day basis, setting standards for what you want in a police department begins with recruitment (i.e., college grads) and training. That isn't easy because society has conflicting expectations for what is desired in a police officer.

Ultimately, the police officer is the first line of social worker in a community. Police officers maintain order, mediate disputes, protect victims and potential victims and preserve the rights of all of us.

WRONG, we are totally in agreement.

All I can add is that federal oversight of police departments is a start.
The Defence Department giving equipment to local police departments can be stopped.
The equipment should be demilitarized and junked.  Some equipment is demilitarized.

It all started after 9-11 with the concern about the perceived terrorist threat.  The government was really concerned about a possible insurrection.  Giving away equipment and training because of Al Qaeda was just an excuse.

You may know the armories are not for "training" they are to keerp the population in line.  Now we have local militias doing their thing.  Nice having the armories around, we may need them again.
The military equipment should stay in the armories.

[mu_hilltopper]

Watching the talking heads on TV .. and posters here .. you can immediately tell who has watched the press conference and who has not.

[vogue65]

Watching the talking heads on TV .. and posters here .. you can immediately tell who has watched the press conference and who has not.

Kenosha is a symptomatic.
One decision is not the problem.
The problem is systemic.
I don't need to read one particular case as good or bad it might be.
One press conference does not reflect a trend.
The trend has been that unarmed people are being shot in the back.
Overwhelmingly they are black people.  Hay Houston, we have a problem.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

BLM  the data doesn't affirm your statements. Police actually shoot more white perps and more unarmed whites than blacks per FBI figures.
Wondering where the compassion is for the woman raped and her traumatized children; the real victims in this story.

[Lennys Tap]

Kenosha is a symptomatic.
One decision is not the problem.
The problem is systemic.
I don't need to read one particular case as good or bad it might be.
One press conference does not reflect a trend.
The trend has been that unarmed people are being shot in the back.
Overwhelmingly they are black people.  Hay Houston, we have a problem.

IOW, don't confuse me with the facts.

I'd rather make some phony ones up to fit my preferred narrative.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Shake my head when I see BLM on the Marquette uniforms. It's a Marxist terrorist organization. All lives matter.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Topper, I agree after watching the news that the officer should not have been charged.  I think the DA laid out a really good case for why.

However that doesn't mean he handled it well.  And it most certainly doesn't mean that MU shouldn't wear black in support.

Wearing black in support of police reform, Kenosha and its community, social justice and for equality is a much different message than wearing black "in support" of Jacob Blake - which was the leading and introductory line of last night's communication from the players, the program and the university.

Both things can be true: the arrest and detainment of Mr. Blake could have better (while the officer legally did nothing wrong); the communication and messaging behind the intent from MUBB last night could have also been better. 

[willie warrior]

How dare you utter such thoughts. Soon you will be sent to the re-education community to get your thoughts manipulated.

[Galway Eagle]

BLM  the data doesn't affirm your statements. Police actually shoot more white perps and more unarmed whites than blacks per FBI figures.
Wondering where the compassion is for the woman raped and her traumatized children; the real victims in this story.

Let's say we're at a party where 7/10 people have blonde hair 3/10 are dark haired and police show up. They ticket 4 of the blondes and ticket all three of the dark hair. Which group is worse effected? Every brown haired person is effected and would believe they were profiled while some blondes got to walk away free. The hard number is worse for blondes though. This is essentially what you're arguing which while factually true ignores the percentages.

[wadesworld]

BLM  the data doesn't affirm your statements. Police actually shoot more white perps and more unarmed whites than blacks per FBI figures.
Wondering where the compassion is for the woman raped and her traumatized children; the real victims in this story.

You are right.  Black people are actually treated more justly by law enforcement.   

I honestly wonder what rock some people live under.  Just crazy stuff that is said around here.

The good news is that justice was being sought for the rape victim, given that the police were aware of this and, apparently, very fearful of this man.  Probably should've had more backup, and probably should've been positioned to prevent him from getting to his car in the first place if they were so worried about the kidnapping of the kdis in the car.

Justice is rarely ever sought after for victims of police brutality.

[🏀]

Lot of threatened white guys in here.