Projo nojo

[panda]

Congrats to him for inheriting the best player that will ever play in that program's history.

You must not be familiar with the history of unlv basketball if you think Bryce Hamilton is the best player in the history of the program.

[wadesworld]

You must not be familiar with the history of unlv basketball if you think Bryce Hamilton is the best player in the history of the program.

There's this guy named Mike Daum. You could've put the MU Intramural C League champion around him and SDSU would've won their conference every year TJ was coaching him.

[5DollarPitcher]

There's this guy named Mike Daum. You could've put the MU Intramural C League champion around him and SDSU would've won their conference every year TJ was coaching him.

I bet with Wojo they'd go 8-10 in conference.

[wadesworld]

I bet with Wojo they'd go 8-10 in conference.

Like I said. If we want to take a guy who took over a program that went 17-14 2 years ago and has them at 1-4 with a 13 point loss to Montana State because he dominated a low, low major conference by inheriting the best player to ever play in that conference, I'm all in. Totally convinced. Sure fire stud to get us back to where Scoop demands. No more tainting the beautiful reputation of our beloved MUBB. TJ is the man for the job.

[panda]

There's this guy named Mike Daum. You could've put the MU Intramural C League champion around him and SDSU would've won their conference every year TJ was coaching him.

So what? If you want to use extremely simple logic - Wojo basically played .500 basketball in conference during Howard's four years.

What does that say about Wojo?

[4everwarriors]

Larry Johnson still has eligibility left? Hoo new, hey?

[wadesworld]

So what? If you want to use extremely simple logic - Wojo basically played .500 basketball in conference during Howard's four years.

What does that say about Wojo?

It says he had a high major player that he recruited in a high major league. Compared to a high major player being inherited in a low, low major league.

But you and 5dollar have convinced me. He had UNLV (a program with a prouder history than Marquette) just rolling. Bring him in ASAP. Before it's too late and Kentucky gets to him please!

[panda]

It says he had a high major player that he recruited in a high major league. Compared to a high major player being inherited in a low, low major league.

But you and 5dollar have convinced me. He had UNLV (a program with a prouder history than Marquette) just rolling. Bring him in ASAP. Before it's too late and Kentucky gets to him please!

Or by the logic you used re TJO and Daum, he should have cake walked through the BE because he had the best player in the league.

Head to the bench buddy, you've embarrassed yourself here.

[GooooMarquette]

The soonest Wojo would likely get fired is the spring of '22. By then, Otzelberger will have more of a record at UNLV so we will be better able to compare him and Wardle.

[We R Final Four]

We can all go through point by point and enumerate Wojo's failings. And we do, ad infinitum.  Fanboard.   But Fanboard opinions are just that.   The BOT wanted the anti-Buzz.   They got him.  Fanboards complain, but Wojo averaged 20 wins a year, years 2-6.   His guys make positive news off the court.   

Unless there is a scandal, he is more likely to leave than be fired for, IMO, at least another two years.   

And when he leaves/is fired, my money is on Wardle.

Don't mistake a significant drop off in season ticket holders the same as complaining on a fanboard. Some scoopers are season ticket holders, and will not renew. The rest of you post I agree with.

[wadesworld]

Or by the logic you used re TJO and Daum, he should have cake walked through the BE because he had the best player in the league.

Head to the bench buddy, you've embarrassed yourself here.

Lol. Claiming Markus was to the Big East what Mike Daum was to the Summit League.

Yup. I'm the one embarrassing myself. Lol

[5DollarPitcher]

I'm all in. Totally convinced. Sure fire stud to get us back to where Scoop demands. No more tainting the beautiful reputation of our beloved MUBB. TJ is the man for the job.

Not necessarily an argument for TJ from me here but why is our only option a "sure fire stud"?

Coaching searches inherently involve risk. I'm sure when Wright was hired at Nova he wasn't recognized as a "sure fire stud". Same with most other elite coaches when they were first hired.

At some point our program has to have the gumption to push our chips to the center and recognize that Wojo is not meeting the standard. As with Poker, you can check and call your way out of a game, without ever playing a hand.  That's what we're doing with Wojo now.  We must at least TRY for a different coach that may meet and exceed the standard this basketball program has.

[panda]

Lol. Claiming Markus was to the Big East what Mike Daum was to the Summit League.

Yup. I'm the one embarrassing myself. Lol

Not only that, but also saying Bryce Hamilton is one of the best players in unlv history.

Take a knee buddy

[wadesworld]

Not only that, but also saying Bryce Hamilton is one of the best players in unlv history.

Take a knee buddy

Who said that? Lol. Again, I'm the one embarrassing myself lol.

You did get one thing right though. TJ is the man for the job. Has a storied program just rolling right now.

[panda]

Not necessarily an argument for TJ from me here but why is our only option a "sure fire stud"?

Coaching searches inherently involve risk. I'm sure when Wright was hired at Nova he wasn't recognized as a "sure fire stud". Same with most other elite coaches when they were first hired.

At some point our program has to have the gumption to push our chips to the center and recognize that Wojo is not meeting the standard. As with Poker, you can check and call your way out of a game, without ever playing a hand.  That's what we're doing with Wojo now.  We must at least TRY for a different coach that may meet and exceed the standard this basketball program has.

I think it's really important for our next hire to have a true passion for MU hoops, the city of Milwaukee and recruiting relationships around the Midwest. Along with success at previous head coaching stops.

We have two very good options that fit the bill to a T.

[Viper]

Yeah, at this point, I think everybody's realistic enough to know that we'll never again achieve the heights of the 70s.  But Crean/Buzz level success?  That's absolutely attainable, and should be the standard for the program.  For some reason, Wojo has never been held to that standard.

In six seasons under Buzz, we finished in the AP Top 25 three times.  Under Crean, it was four times in nine seasons.  Revered, highly respected, well recognized, use whatever term you want.  Those guys had us in the Top 25 to end the year 50% of the time.  That's about right for a program like Marquette.  And we have *never* done it under Wojo.

i think you might be underselling MU to some extent. I'm typically aligned with you re: Wojo, but what are the reasons MU can't be Villanova? Let's say Tony Bennett is coaching MU. Would Marquette still be a top 25 team seasons-end just half the time? Wojo is a problem for all the reasons so many have opined, but is there something else that holds Marquette back from being Villanova's equal?

[shoothoops]

The soonest Wojo would likely get fired is the spring of '22. By then, Otzelberger will have more of a record at UNLV so we will be better able to compare him and Wardle.

Otzelberger has worked with Greg McDermott, Fred Hoiberg, Lorenzo Romar in the Big 12 and Pac 12. Multiple personalities and multiple geographies. He's had successful head coaching experience at South Dakota St. with two first place finishes in three seasons and two NCAA appearances. He had a 2nd place finish at UNLV his first season there. This is his 2nd.

Brian Wardle at Green Bay, had top 3 finishes his third through fifth seasons after rebuilding. He's trying to do that at Bradley. Last year, his fifth at Bradley, was Wardle's first top four league team, which finished 3rd. It was also the first time in five years his team had a winning league record. And it was his 2nd straight NCAA team.

[5DollarPitcher]

I think it's really important for our next hire to have a true passion for MU hoops, the city of Milwaukee and recruiting relationships around the Midwest. Along with success at previous head coaching stops.

We have two very good options that fit the bill to a T.

Agreed on all those fronts. None of that was my argument, though.

[5DollarPitcher]

Is there something else that holds Marquette back from being Villanova's equal?

Projos

[wiscwarrior]

I think it's really important for our next hire to have a true passion for MU hoops, the city of Milwaukee and recruiting relationships around the Midwest. Along with success at previous head coaching stops.

We have two very good options that fit the bill to a T.

You mean like Al? Had a losing record last year at Belmont Abbey. 

[tower912]

Projos on the BOT

FIFY

[Eye]

HELP!

I need a stats guy.
How many years did it take Al McGuire to reach the top?
How many years did the so-called program remain at the top?
How many decades did it take to get back to the top?
How long did we stay at the top this time?
Please, just the facts mam., just the facts.
Enough bullcrap history.

Didn't see anyone take a shot at answering these, and there's almost certainly many more people much more qualified to answer these than me, and being I have to work in about 11 hours, may not be able to respond to everything in the debate, but I'll give it a shot.

McGuire made NIT final in 4th year, which definitely meant something in 1967.
This one's debatable. Could say through 77, end of Al. Could say through 78, loss to Miami OH. Could say through '79 when made Sweet 16 but lost to DePaul. Could say through '82 when won a tourney game but lost in 2nd round 73-69 to 2 seed Missouri.
2  to 2 1/2 decades depending upon previous answer. I'll say '94 was a more a one-time run than anything extended. Very possibly different answer if O' Neill stays. But he didn't.
I'll say 10 years. Crean gets a couple-year pass after making a Final 4. Then gets back to making tourney every year and back to winning a tourney game, and nearly making a Sweet 16 if Lopez doesn't make a Hail Mary of a shot that was perfectly defended by Burke. Brent continues tourney streak, then starts making 2nd weekends, then starts advancing in 2nd week.

Best I can do. Sorry these aren't the black-and-white answers other than the 1st one IMHO.

[dgies9156]

I've said this before and I am going to say it one more time:

1) Basketball is a major source of income, net, for Marquette University.

2) As long as the television revenue stays strong, as long as most of the season tickets renew every year and as long as there continues to be fan interest in Marquette basketball, Wojo is going no where.

3) The fact that we are in our fourth take on this matter shows there is still fan interest in Marquette basketball. The existence of this Board, the Dodds Board, Anonymous Eagle and Cracked Sidewalks all points to strong interest in Marquette basketball.

Some of you have pointed out that we want a winner every year. So do Cub fans! But the reality was that the ownership for much of the last hundred years was more interested in profits than they were in winning baseball. The Tribune Company, for example, probably did a cost-benefit analysis when it bought the Cubs in 1982. The question was the revenue and expenses of Cubs baseball compared to the revenue and expenses of three hours of purchased programming 160 days a year. As long as people watched the show and advertisers bought in, nobody cared whether the Cubs were good.

For Marquette, as long as basketball is profitable and as long as the donations keep coming in, the question will always be whether the cost of being a blueblood program and putting up with the quirky personalities of people like Al McGuire, Kevin O'Neill, TV Tommy and Buzz the Redneck is worth the incremental revenue generated from these folks' work. My fear is that we're at an inflection point where the BOT says it's just not worth it.

P.S. -- Nobody is going be tossed in a Covid year. At a minimum, you Nojoers will have one more season with the current coach. I hope he wins everybody over!

[We R Final Four]

Not only that, but also saying Bryce Hamilton is one of the best players in unlv history.

Take a knee buddy

BLM was referring to Daum at SoDakST, not Hamilton at UNLV. He never mentioned Hamilton—you did. He mentioned Daum several times....and you keep suggesting that he said Hamilton.....which he did not.

[5DollarPitcher]

FIFY

Correct - good fix.