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Will you get the Covid vaccine when it's available to you?

Yes
60 (75%)
Undecided
5 (6.3%)
No - I won't get one unless my job or the government requires it
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Total Members Voted: 80

noblewarrior

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dissecting-the-new-york-times-plea?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Dissecting the New York Times' Plea for Vaccine Amnesty
Reviewing a remarkably disingenuous "apology" and what actually caused the vaccine disaster






TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: noblewarrior on May 18, 2024, 05:11:43 PM
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dissecting-the-new-york-times-plea?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Dissecting the New York Times' Plea for Vaccine Amnesty
Reviewing a remarkably disingenuous "apology" and what actually caused the vaccine disaster

I 100% support you never getting another vaccine.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Skatastrophy


tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MU82

Vaccines suck. Bring back polio!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MUDPT

Quote from: noblewarrior on May 18, 2024, 05:11:43 PM
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dissecting-the-new-york-times-plea?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Dissecting the New York Times' Plea for Vaccine Amnesty
Reviewing a remarkably disingenuous "apology" and what actually caused the vaccine disaster

Bro, I got to here and then stopped reading:  "Additionally, it appeared the people who chose to push the vaccines were fully aware of how unsafe and ineffective they were."

Full stop, the vaccines saved millions of lives.  Take it from me who has been working with hospitalized COVID patients for 4+ years now. Were they perfect? No.  Did they do everything that people said they would do? No. Did they still save millions of lives? Hell yes.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: MUDPT on May 19, 2024, 10:18:05 PM
Bro, I got to here and then stopped reading:  "Additionally, it appeared the people who chose to push the vaccines were fully aware of how unsafe and ineffective they were."

Full stop, the vaccines saved millions of lives.  Take it from me who has been working with hospitalized COVID patients for 4+ years now. Were they perfect? No.  Did they do everything that people said they would do? No. Did they still save millions of lives? Hell yes.

  one main issue MUDPT however, the "experts" along with our gubmint peeps, were not very transparent about this NEW vaccine that, for obvious reasons, wasn't allowed to go through the normal protocol-phase I, II and/or III testing.  this disallowed many from getting good honest answers from their doctors.  you know, the thingy between a doctor and his/her patient.  man people's lives were destroyed both ways, some have been able to live to tell about it.  the "hammer down" mandate was a killer too.  jobs lost, relationships ruined etc  it also hindered some good science from being debated. 

  I understand this was not an ideal time to allow for the normal protocol for testing procedures and we had to fast track the vaccine, but once again, doctors and pharmacists were NOT ALLOWED to exercise their professional judgments
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

Uncle Rico

Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 20, 2024, 06:00:40 AM
  one main issue MUDPT however, the "experts" along with our gubmint peeps, were not very transparent about this NEW vaccine that, for obvious reasons, wasn't allowed to go through the normal protocol-phase I, II and/or III testing.  this disallowed many from getting good honest answers from their doctors.  you know, the thingy between a doctor and his/her patient.  man people's lives were destroyed both ways, some have been able to live to tell about it.  the "hammer down" mandate was a killer too.  jobs lost, relationships ruined etc  it also hindered some good science from being debated. 

  I understand this was not an ideal time to allow for the normal protocol for testing procedures and we had to fast track the vaccine, but once again, doctors and pharmacists were NOT ALLOWED to exercise their professional judgments

When did you start caring about science?
Guster is for Lovers

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 20, 2024, 06:00:40 AM
  one main issue MUDPT however, the "experts" along with our gubmint peeps, were not very transparent about this NEW vaccine that, for obvious reasons, wasn't allowed to go through the normal protocol-phase I, II and/or III testing.  this disallowed many from getting good honest answers from their doctors.  you know, the thingy between a doctor and his/her patient.  man people's lives were destroyed both ways, some have been able to live to tell about it.  the "hammer down" mandate was a killer too.  jobs lost, relationships ruined etc  it also hindered some good science from being debated. 

  I understand this was not an ideal time to allow for the normal protocol for testing procedures and we had to fast track the vaccine, but once again, doctors and pharmacists were NOT ALLOWED to exercise their professional judgments


I, for one, am grateful that the horse paste dentist was not allowed to exercise his professional judgement.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MUDPT

Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 20, 2024, 06:00:40 AM
  one main issue MUDPT however, the "experts" along with our gubmint peeps, were not very transparent about this NEW vaccine that, for obvious reasons, wasn't allowed to go through the normal protocol-phase I, II and/or III testing.  this disallowed many from getting good honest answers from their doctors.  you know, the thingy between a doctor and his/her patient.  man people's lives were destroyed both ways, some have been able to live to tell about it.  the "hammer down" mandate was a killer too.  jobs lost, relationships ruined etc  it also hindered some good science from being debated. 

  I understand this was not an ideal time to allow for the normal protocol for testing procedures and we had to fast track the vaccine, but once again, doctors and pharmacists were NOT ALLOWED to exercise their professional judgments


If you go to your doctor and they tell you not to get the COVID vaccine, you should see a different doctor, because they are endangering your health.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 20, 2024, 06:00:40 AM
it also hindered some good science from being debated. 

Yes, it's a proven fact that no one was able to debate or claim alternative treatments. No one! 

That's why you never heard anyone claim HCQ as an alternative treatment

And why no one claimed, after Jan 21, 2021 strangely, that vaccines were dangerous

That's why no one was able to debate horse dewormer as a treatment

And that's why no one was allowed to run studies either...or find out that the treatments failed (except in those cases where the researchers faked the data).

Yes indeed, THEY stopped all debate.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

tower912

Hydroxychloroquine treatment had an increased mortality rate. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Skatastrophy

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on May 20, 2024, 11:50:25 AM
Yes, it's a proven fact that no one was able to debate or claim alternative treatments. No one! 

That's why you never heard anyone claim HCQ as an alternative treatment

And why no one claimed, after Jan 21, 2021 strangely, that vaccines were dangerous

That's why no one was able to debate horse dewormer as a treatment

And that's why no one was allowed to run studies either...or find out that the treatments failed (except in those cases where the researchers faked the data).

Yes indeed, THEY stopped all debate.

Well, he can't find something to back up his belief. So the gubmint must have suppressed debate and science. But also allowed the science disproving his point to go through. The gubmint is somehow incredibly effective at this one thing.

MU82

Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 20, 2024, 01:29:39 PM
Well, he can't find something to back up his belief. So the gubmint must have suppressed debate and science. But also allowed the science disproving his point to go through. The gubmint is somehow incredibly effective at this one thing.

And, hilariously, it was HIS chosen gubmint.

roQQet's hero chose Fauci as the U.S. leader in the fight against Covid. roQQet's hero played down the seriousness of Covid. roQQet's hero then locked down the country. And finally, roQQet's hero pushed Operation Warp Speed - indeed, that was his the one thing his hero did as president that actually helped most Americans.

How can roQQet continue to support that gubmint leader?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

rocket surgeon

Quote from: MU82 on May 20, 2024, 01:47:51 PM
And, hilariously, it was HIS chosen gubmint.

roQQet's hero chose Fauci as the U.S. leader in the fight against Covid. roQQet's hero played down the seriousness of Covid. roQQet's hero then locked down the country. And finally, roQQet's hero pushed Operation Warp Speed - indeed, that was his the one thing his hero did as president that actually helped most Americans.

How can roQQet continue to support that gubmint leader?

82, you are so full of crap, but please go on...you're sounding like all the other "co-exist" pinkos out there

he chose fettucine then dumped him thank God while you guys slurped up anything he would say-mask mask mask vaccine vaccine vaccine wet market pangolin, bat caves, distancing...  once fettucine's true colors came out, the lying sac of...

  my guy thankfully distanced himself
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 22, 2024, 06:58:49 PM
82, you are so full of crap, but please go on...you're sounding like all the other "co-exist" pinkos out there

he chose fettucine then dumped him thank God while you guys slurped up anything he would say-mask mask mask vaccine vaccine vaccine wet market pangolin, bat caves, distancing...  once fettucine's true colors came out, the lying sac of...

  my guy thankfully distanced himself


He's 100x the doctor you are.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

rocket surgeon

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 22, 2024, 07:06:27 PM

He's 100x the doctor you are.

  so there!!   ouch!!  hahahahahah  you really know how to hurt a guy's feelings

  president reagan is rolling in his grave and would've chit-canned this fake if he knew what a fraud he has become

felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

The Sultan

Actually Reagan was a supporter of science...and knew about horses.

He'd be rolling over in his grave at doctors who think horse dewormer is a good treatment for a viral disease.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 23, 2024, 05:05:36 AM
  so there!!   ouch!!  hahahahahah  you really know how to hurt a guy's feelings

  president reagan is rolling in his grave and would've chit-canned this fake if he knew what a fraud he has become

If by "this fake" and "fraud" you mean Dementia Don, yes, absolutely, Reagan would have chit-canned him. And Ronny's rolling in his grave with what's happened to his once-proud party. He warned against following a demagogue.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on May 23, 2024, 09:21:27 AM
If by "this fake" and "fraud" you mean Dementia Don, yes, absolutely, Reagan would have chit-canned him. And Ronny's rolling in his grave with what's happened to his once-proud party. He warned against following a demagogue.

Reagan knew what a conman 45 was.  Sadly, the party he once headed is full of nitwits, racists, misogynists and Ron Johnson's
Guster is for Lovers

MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 23, 2024, 11:31:28 AM
Reagan knew what a conman 45 was.  Sadly, the party he once headed is full of nitwits, racists, misogynists and Ron Johnson's

Yep, it was only 12 years ago that every single candidate seeking the GOP presidential nomination said Reagan was the one person in history, living or dead, they admired most. It was Reagan, Reagan, Reagan.

Now, just about any powerful Republican would spit on Reagan's grave if they thought that would curry even one iota of favor with Dementia Don. The dog-and-pony show they're putting on outside the courthouse, bending over backward to defend a serial adulterer who banged porn stars while Wife #3 was pregnant ... it's somehow surreal, sickening and hilarious all at the same time.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on May 23, 2024, 01:02:38 PM
Yep, it was only 12 years ago that every single candidate seeking the GOP presidential nomination said Reagan was the one person in history, living or dead, they admired most. It was Reagan, Reagan, Reagan.

Now, just about any powerful Republican would spit on Reagan's grave if they thought that would curry even one iota of favor with Dementia Don. The dog-and-pony show they're putting on outside the courthouse, bending over backward to defend a serial adulterer who banged porn stars while Wife #3 was pregnant ... it's somehow surreal, sickening and hilarious all at the same time.

It is embarrassing watching them grovel at his feet.  No longer a political party of ideas but a political party of one man. 
Guster is for Lovers

rocket surgeon

Quote from: MU82 on May 23, 2024, 09:21:27 AM
If by "this fake" and "fraud" you mean Dementia Don, yes, absolutely, Reagan would have chit-canned him. And Ronny's rolling in his grave with what's happened to his once-proud party. He warned against following a demagogue.

  love how you guys hammered Reagan like every other "r" until they died.  now reaganesque is cool
you guys are such fakes
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 23, 2024, 09:36:21 PM
  love how you guys hammered Reagan like every other "r" until they died.  now reaganesque is cool
you guys are such fakes

He wasn't great. Eons better than who the Republicans are putting up this year though.

Oh and he believed in science. Remember when Republicans actually did that? That was cool.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Hards Alumni

Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 23, 2024, 09:36:21 PM
  love how you guys hammered Reagan like every other "r" until they died.  now reaganesque is cool
you guys are such fakes

Reagan wasn't cool when he was alive.  And Nancy blew, too.

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