MUScoop
MUScoop => The Superbar => COVID-19 => Topic started by: GooooMarquette on December 18, 2020, 06:17:57 PM
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There has been discussion of this in the Vaccine thread, but I'm curious how many are undecided or unwilling to get the vaccine at this point.
I have been on record as reluctant at first, when it appeared Trump might strong-arm FDA into premature approval this fall. But once it became apparent that the companies and FDA were following the rules - and given the very similar results from two very similar vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) - I have decided to get it as soon as it's my turn. I am low in the priority list, so it will probably be late spring, but I will go when I can.
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I will be passing on it in the short term, having recently had COVID. I am planning on getting it late spring.
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I will get it when my turn in the process comes. If nothing else, I want to get it to have a better chance to see my parents again in person. My Dad has some serious health issues that put him at high risk if he were to get Covid and my Mom is very protective of him these days. I doubt we'll be able to see them again in person until my husband and I have gotten the vaccine. Of course there's the complicating factor of my kids not being able to get the vaccine yet but I'll figure out that part later I guess...
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If it means I can return to regular travel again, I’d do it tomorrow even if it meant I would have regular gastrointestinal distress for months ;D Lets Rock and Roll
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If it means I can return to regular travel again, I’d do it tomorrow even if it meant I would have regular gastrointestinal distress for months ;D Lets Rock and Roll
I'm in, though probably nowhere near the front of the line (which is somewhat of a relief for me, to observe side effects in the meantime). And honestly, I'm ready to buy all of you a beer when we can meet in a bar again. Especially 4ever (he'll take a cider or gluten removed beer...I know) You can hold me to it.
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Slainte'
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I was extremely hesitant/against.
Until I did a bunch of my own research.
I got mine today. I would prefer the Pfizer vaccine as Moderna has no track record to speak of and they had a worse side effect profile.
I'm still somewhat nervous about possible long term autoimmune side effects, but significantly less so than I was a week ago.
7 hours in and everything is normal.
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I would get it today were it an option. I'm sure I'm about last in line though.
My wife is an oncology PA and scheduled to receive it on 12/31.
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I'm in, though probably nowhere near the front of the line (which is somewhat of a relief for me, to observe side effects in the meantime). And honestly, I'm ready to buy all of you a beer when we can meet in a bar again. Especially 4ever (he'll take a cider or gluten removed beer...I know) You can hold me to it.
Ewe buyin'? Eye'll take a Caymus Cab, hey?
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I'm in, though probably nowhere near the front of the line (which is somewhat of a relief for me, to observe side effects in the meantime).
Same here. I feel better about it than I did a few months ago, but I still want to make sure everything works out as this gets scaled up.
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absolutely, once my turn comes up. I accept the fact that as a very healthy 44 year old with no underlying health concerns I am nowhere near the front of the line. But when it's time I won't hesitate.
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Food for thought:
I'm in the middle of a podcast with Dr. Peter Attia and Dr. Matthew Walker discussing sleep. Dr. Walker is an expert in the field of sleep study. They mentioned a study that identified that patients who get 6 hours or less of sleep for 3 days leading up to influenza vaccinations demonstrate 50% less antibody activity than those over 6 hours of sleep.
Relevance? Possibly.
I did get over 6 hours prior to my vaccine, but I didn't have the knowledge of this. I absolutely will maximize sleep before and after my 2nd round.
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Food for thought:
I'm in the middle of a podcast with Dr. Peter Attia and Dr. Matthew Walker discussing sleep. Dr. Walker is an expert in the field of sleep study. They mentioned a study that identified that patients who get 6 hours or less of sleep for 3 days leading up to influenza vaccinations demonstrate 50% less antibody activity than those over 6 hours of sleep.
Relevance? Possibly.
I did get over 6 hours prior to my vaccine, but I didn't have the knowledge of this. I absolutely will maximize sleep before and after my 2nd round.
Good idea.
There is also research about diminished sleep impairing response to Hepatitis B vaccine, so it seems to be a pretty consistent finding.
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Obviously in the minority here, but I will not be getting it. Just still too many unanswered questions for me on this one.
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Nope. I'm with MU B2002 on this one -- too many unanswered questions, too little (no) human testing. I'll wait until everyone who's clamoring for the vaccine is able to get theirs. By then we'll have more information on its efficacy, side effects, etc. In the meantime I'll let my good health, natural immunity, good hygiene and smart social distancing protect me.
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Nope. I'm with MU B2002 on this one -- too many unanswered questions, too little (no) human testing. I'll wait until everyone who's clamoring for the vaccine is able to get theirs. By then we'll have more information on its efficacy, side effects, etc. In the meantime I'll let my good health, natural immunity, good hygiene and smart social distancing protect me.
I don’t understand what you mean by “too little (no) human testing.“ In fact, the currently approved vaccines have been through extensive clinical trials, data review by independent panels (and available to the public) and ultimate approval by the FDA.
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My wife got her second vaccine today.
My son and daughter-in-law each got their first.
I'm glad they did, and I look forward to when it's my turn.
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I don’t understand what you mean by “too little (no) human testing.“ In fact, the currently approved vaccines have been through extensive clinical trials, data review by independent panels (and available to the public) and ultimate approval by the FDA.
Unfortunately the above posts are too often common out there. The vaccine cannot come soon enough for my elderly relatives. And I will take it as soon as it is available to me.
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I am fine with fence sitters as it gets me up to the front of the line sooner. So you wait as long as you need and go anti-vaxxers.
Did I do that right to be on trend for America-pandemic?
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Nope. I'm with MU B2002 on this one -- too many unanswered questions, too little (no) human testing. I'll wait until everyone who's clamoring for the vaccine is able to get theirs. By then we'll have more information on its efficacy, side effects, etc. In the meantime I'll let my good health, natural immunity, good hygiene and smart social distancing protect me.
This is just not true. There has actually been a ton of human testing with both the Moderna and Pfzier vaccines, more than most phase III studies. Specifically the Moderna vaccine had 30k participants in phase III and Pfzier had 43k participants in phase III. And actually J&J will conduct the largest phase III vaccine study in history for their vaccine with 60k participants. So to say there has been little to no human testing is entirely false.
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I am going to have to.
1. After March 31, if I catch COVID again, it will no longer be presumed I caught it at work and missed time will not be workman's comp.
2. All city employees will be not allowed to travel for training or conferences without proof of the vaccination.
I was going to wait until later in the spring, closer to 180 days after I had it. With the new regs, I will probably be getting it right after the 90 day post infection window closes.
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People who are skipping the vax because it was "rushed" don't understand FDA regulations nor clinical testing. The vaccine is perfectly safe, and there is no evidence to the contrary.
When you throw nearly infinite money at something like this and there is no profit risk for companies, you can' accomplish a lot in a short period of time.
It's a shame that we spend billions on bombs blowing up people across the world instead of throwing money at medical and scientific research.
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so, if a proposal in Oregon to prioritize "BIPOC" individuals goes through, my 100% healthy, FT WFH, and younger than me wife will get the vaccine significantly sooner than I will. Teachers have moved to the front of the line (totally cool with that) but prioritizing "BIPOC" (I'm not sure which definition they'll use, she could be shut out too) because of "historical inequity," even over the elderly, seems pretty BS to me.
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so, if a proposal in Oregon to prioritize "BIPOC" individuals goes through, my 100% healthy, FT WFH, and younger than me wife will get the vaccine significantly sooner than I will. Teachers have moved to the front of the line (totally cool with that) but prioritizing "BIPOC" (I'm not sure which definition they'll use, she could be shut out too) because of "historical inequity," even over the elderly, seems pretty BS to me.
If it's because of 'historical inequity," it's a bad idea.
If it's because they have numbers showing that the people in the group (however they define it) are at significantly higher risk of contracting and/or getting really sick from Covid, it may be a good idea.
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so, if a proposal in Oregon to prioritize "BIPOC" individuals goes through, my 100% healthy, FT WFH, and younger than me wife will get the vaccine significantly sooner than I will. Teachers have moved to the front of the line (totally cool with that) but prioritizing "BIPOC" (I'm not sure which definition they'll use, she could be shut out too) because of "historical inequity," even over the elderly, seems pretty BS to me.
I thought the stats have shown that BIPOCs have been disproportionately impacted by Covid. If so, I could see that by reducing the spread there, it may have the greatest impact compared to the elderly.
No matter what group is prioritized, there will be anecdotal examples of people who are lower risk and can wait.
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I thought the stats have shown that BIPOCs have been disproportionately impacted by Covid. If so, I could see that by reducing the spread there, it may have the greatest impact compared to the elderly.
No matter what group is prioritized, there will be anecdotal examples of people who are lower risk and can wait.
underlying conditions are not taken into account with giving them priority, just ethnicity. It will leapfrog them above those with underlying conditions.
For now, the Vaccine Advisory Committee is recommending that BIPOC communities, numbering about 806,000, and people with underlying chronic conditions, numbering about 1.8 million Oregonians, get vaccinated next. They would follow health care workers, senior care residents and staff, inmates, teachers and some senior citizens who are or will soon be eligible.
When those members objected, Kelly Gonzales all but accused them of being complicit in trying to maintain white hegemony.
“We’re also dealing with our own conditioning of white supremacy as it is showing up in our decision making,” said Gonzales, a member who represents Native Americans living in cities.
Black, indigenous and other people of color were ultimately included in the list, above those with underlying conditions. It’s unclear if the committee will ultimately recommend that BIPOC communities get vaccinated ahead of people with underlying conditions.
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underlying conditions are not taken into account with giving them priority, just ethnicity. It will leapfrog them above those with underlying conditions.
Well, strictly from a management/tracking perspective this makes sense. It's been easy to target healthcare workers first, and elderly second (poroof of age is easy). BIPOC is also easier to identify. Underlying conditions? How do you handle that? HIPAA makes requiring proof difficult. Everyone could get a note from their doctor, but that's also a burden on the person and health care system.
Honestly, as a white dude with asthma, I don't find any reason to find this terribly objectionable. Stats do show this group has been disproportionally affected by Covid, and why not give it a shot. We all have to get vaccinated sometime, and it might make priority lists easier to verify.
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Sounds like it's time for me to really play up that 1.5% west African dna that came back in my 23nMe
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Sounds like it's time for me to really play up that 1.5% west African dna that came back in my 23nMe
And I'm sure that'll happen, just like people will play up "underlying conditions".
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And I'm sure that'll happen, just like people will play up "underlying conditions".
I was really considering going on a carb only diet to get obese quick.
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If the pizza, beer, and dorm food didn't get you, I do t know what will.
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If the pizza, beer, and dorm food didn't get you, I do t know what will.
Weed is legal and I have a lot more disposable income now. Type 2, here I come!
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If the pizza, beer, and dorm food didn't get you, I do t know what will.
If you take the boxing I was doing out of the equation then it might've gotten me. Maybe time to return to sodexo's kitchens.
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Sounds like it's time for me to really play up that 1.5% west African dna that came back in my 23nMe
I wonder if having a great-great-grandmother who is 100% Mohican (not the last of them, however) would move me forward?
Honestly, as a white dude with asthma, I don't find any reason to find this terribly objectionable. Stats do show this group has been disproportionally affected by Covid, and why not give it a shot. We all have to get vaccinated sometime, and it might make priority lists easier to verify.
the question is whether it's purely ethnicity or due to societal conditions.
Raghib Ali, one of the government’s new expert advisers on covid and ethnicity, said there was “good evidence” that most excess risk among ethnic minorities was explained by risk factors other than ethnicity.
He told a Science Media Centre briefing on 21 October, “It’s not that [ethnic minority people] won’t be at increased risk—we will still have those risk factors, but we have to address the risk factors rather than just saying it’s ethnicity.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4099 (I checked to see if this was an incredibly biased source. It is not. One of the most highly respected and rated as "very high pro-science." One never knows these days).
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Well, strictly from a management/tracking perspective this makes sense. It's been easy to target healthcare workers first, and elderly second (poroof of age is easy). BIPOC is also easier to identify. Underlying conditions? How do you handle that? HIPAA makes requiring proof difficult. Everyone could get a note from their doctor, but that's also a burden on the person and health care system.
Honestly, as a white dude with asthma, I don't find any reason to find this terribly objectionable. Stats do show this group has been disproportionally affected by Covid, and why not give it a shot. We all have to get vaccinated sometime, and it might make priority lists easier to verify.
Agreed. It's good to prioritize the highest risk patients (like most states have with healthcare workers, the elderly, etc), but it also makes sense to prioritize those with the highest level of spread because it will ultimately help us all.
Less spread -> fewer variants -> less chance for escape mutations -> better vaccine effectiveness.
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Just take up smoking the morning of your vaccination. Boom, you have a risk underlying condition.
This also goes for "past smokers" .. which is impossible to disprove.
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Just take up smoking the morning of your vaccination. Boom, you have a risk underlying condition.
This also goes for "past smokers" .. which is impossible to disprove.
I smoked for three months I'm in 😎
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so, if a proposal in Oregon to prioritize "BIPOC" individuals goes through, my 100% healthy, FT WFH, and younger than me wife will get the vaccine significantly sooner than I will. Teachers have moved to the front of the line (totally cool with that) but prioritizing "BIPOC" (I'm not sure which definition they'll use, she could be shut out too) because of "historical inequity," even over the elderly, seems pretty BS to me.
Well, it turns out such a plan is illegal so it won't be happening. It didn't stop some dude (leader of an advocacy group) writing an editorial in the Oregonian claiming teachers are telling him they cannot stop crying and unable to sleep knowing they are getting the vaccine before a "BIPOC." SMH.
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Just take up smoking the morning of your vaccination. Boom, you have a risk underlying condition.
This also goes for "past smokers" .. which is impossible to disprove.
I used to be a pretty heavy second-hand smoker because I was alive on planet earth in the 70s. If the form doesn't distinguish between 'primary' and second-hand' smokers, I should be good to go.
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Ascension in Racine sent out a notice to sign up for the vaccine.
Of course, when you tried to do it, you were informed that no vaccine is available.
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Just made my vaccine appointment for March. Have to work a second job to get it but no complaints here
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Just made my vaccine appointment for March. Have to work a second job to get it but no complaints here
Right now the earliest I can get it is June. Maybe I should do what this c--- did and declare myself a "teacher" (I have to go on than she does) to move up the list:
https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/SoulCycle-teacher-COVID-vaccine-Stacey-Griffith-15914627.php
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Right now the earliest I can get it is June. Maybe I should do what this c--- did and declare myself a "teacher" (I have to go on than she does) to move up the list:
https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/SoulCycle-teacher-COVID-vaccine-Stacey-Griffith-15914627.php
You could also just get a part time grocery store gig for a month or do a small consulting role for a essential company like I am.
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Right now the earliest I can get it is June. Maybe I should do what this c--- did and declare myself a "teacher" (I have to go on than she does) to move up the list:
https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/SoulCycle-teacher-COVID-vaccine-Stacey-Griffith-15914627.php
The state let her get one. If the state let me get one tomorrow, I would.
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You could also just get a part time grocery store gig for a month or do a small consulting role for a essential company like I am.
Or just claim you are a doctor, worked for Dr. Demon Sperm.
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Right now the earliest I can get it is June. Maybe I should do what this c--- did and declare myself a "teacher" (I have to go on than she does) to move up the list:
https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/SoulCycle-teacher-COVID-vaccine-Stacey-Griffith-15914627.php
Did you really just call a woman a c---? The fuq?
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Did you really just call a woman a c---? The fuq?
yes, after my wife (also a fitness instructor but who would never think of doing this) did. If the word fits.... Plus, I love me some Jim Jefferies.
Sorry if calling out someone who scammed her way to getting a vaccine offends you.
because she lied in declaring herself a "teacher."
The state let her get one. If the state let me get one tomorrow, I would.
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yes, after my wife (also a fitness instructor but who would never think of doing this) did. If the word fits.... Plus, I love me some Jim Jefferies.
Sorry if calling out someone who scammed her way to getting a vaccine offends you.
Actually, you just seem really angry that you don't qualify for a vaccine. Between the BIPOC posts and this, you're trending.
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Guessin' ya gotta crash an airplane inta a buildin' ta get wona dem, hey?
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yes, after my wife (also a fitness instructor but who would never think of doing this) did. If the word fits.... Plus, I love me some Jim Jefferies.
Sorry if calling out someone who scammed her way to getting a vaccine offends you.
You guys sound like great people.
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Guessin' ya gotta crash an airplane inta a buildin' ta get wona dem, hey?
Try it doc! Though I'm guessing you've already qualified!
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Guessin' ya gotta crash an airplane inta a buildin' ta get wona dem, hey?
Or be a "healthcare professional".
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Try it doc! Though I'm guessing you've already qualified!
Depends. I'm pretty sure he's old enough... but depends.
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Guessin' ya gotta crash an airplane inta a buildin' ta get wona dem, hey?
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Are there a bunch of Saudis getting vaccines?
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Depends. I'm pretty sure he's old enough... but depends.
I’ve heard that in WI the initial group is not actual age but the age you act. So doc has a while.
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Depends. I'm pretty sure he's old enough... but depends.
Are we talking about eligibility for the vaccine or undergarments?
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Depends. I'm pretty sure he's old enough... but depends.
I meant by his profession...
Are we talking about eligibility for the vaccine or undergarments?
But, literally lol
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Are we talking about eligibility for the vaccine or undergarments?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Please proceed (to not get the vaccine), dumbasses:
QAnon Star Who Said Only ‘Idiots’ Get Vax Dies of COVID
https://news.yahoo.com/qanon-star-said-only-idiots-194553934.html
"A leading QAnon promoter who urged both her followers and strangers she passed on the street not to take the COVID vaccine died Thursday of the coronavirus, making her just the latest vaccine opponent killed by the disease.
Weldon focused on attacking vaccines and other efforts to fight COVID-19, saying in one video that Dr. Anthony Fauci “needs to be hung from a rope.” She claimed the vaccine killed people, and even recorded herself yelling at people standing in line to receive vaccines.
“The vaccines kill, don’t get it!” Weldon warned the waiting vaccine recipients in an undated video posted to one of her online accounts. “This is how gullible these idiots are. They’re all getting vaccine!”
n September, a QAnon follower named Veronica Wolski became a cause celebre in QAnon circles after she was hospitalized with the coronavirus. QAnon fans besieged the hospital with phone calls demanding that Wolski receive ivermectin, the deworming drug used by some as an unproven coronavirus treatment. Wolski died of the disease later that month.
In the face of these deaths, their surviving friends and supporters have started to allege that the dead QAnon figures are being murdered, either because they were refused internet folk remedies like ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, or because they were killed by the deep-state to cover up their conspiracy theories.
In December, Kuzma and a number of other conspiracy theorists were sickened with COVID-like symptoms after appearing together at a conference. Rather than acknowledge that they had COVID, the far-right influencers suggested they had been targeted by an anthrax attack."
So, get the vaccine, or listen to our resident "healthcare professionals" and subscribe to the idea that catching COVID is the best way to avoid catching COVID, and even if you do catch COVID you can cure yourself with ivermectin. Please proceed.
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Culling the herd.
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You could do a story like this every day and it won't change entrenched positions.
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More than 20% of Americans remain unvaccinated, with predictable results:
(https://images2.imgbox.com/e9/40/5cZ0blcB_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/5cZ0blcB)
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More than 20% of Americans remain unvaccinated, with predictable results:
(https://images2.imgbox.com/e9/40/5cZ0blcB_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/5cZ0blcB)
I was going to post this, too.
The pandemic IS over for those who get the proven, life-saving vaccines.
From the article that accompanied the chart:
Yes, boosters matter, as the charts above show. The biggest benefit is a reduction in severe illness among vulnerable people, as Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at Brown University, told me. For that reason, anybody over 50 who has not yet received a booster shot in 2022 should consider getting one as soon as possible.
(One exception: If you recently had Covid, you should wait several months before getting a booster, as my colleague Dani Blum explains.)
The most effective way to reduce Covid deaths, however, does not involve boosters. It involves persuading more unvaccinated Americans to get their first shot. Their risks are far higher than the risks facing the unboosted. Unfortunately, public health officials acknowledge that they don’t know how to increase that number very much. About four-fifths of the unvaccinated — a group that is disproportionately Republican — say they will “definitely not” get a shot, according to Kaiser.
Covid remains so deadly largely because millions of Americans have decided they would rather accept its risks than receive a vaccine shot.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/TheEliKlein/status/1584921919882657793
If this decision stands will have quite the snowball affect across the country. Will their be reimbursement for this who quit their job and relocated because of a mandate in place?
Will private sector employers be on the hook to bring back terminated employees and forced to provide back pay?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/TheEliKlein/status/1584921919882657793
If this decision stands will have quite the snowball affect across the country. Will their be reimbursement for this who quit their job and relocated because of a mandate in place?
Will private sector employers be on the hook to bring back terminated employees and forced to provide back pay?
You don’t know how courts work, do you? Not surprised you lack the knowledge on that as well.
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You don’t know how courts work, do you? Not surprised you lack the knowledge on that as well.
I guess I don’t, what am I missing?
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I guess I don’t, what am I missing?
How courts work
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How courts work
Good talk Rico, per usual.
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Well for one thing, that is New York’s trial level court, not their highest court, and isn’t precedent for anything, and it is being appealed.
The Twitter comments are, as usual, disturbing.
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Well for one thing, that is New York’s trial level court, not their highest court, and isn’t precedent for anything, and it is being appealed.
The Twitter comments are, as usual, disturbing.
Which is why I said in original post that “if this stands”
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Vaccines are evil.
Long live polio!
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4 vaccines in. And flu shot. As said elsewhere, if you are anti-vaxx, I encourage you to hold tight to your beliefs. Just don't call 911 or take up hospital beds.
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4 vaccines in. And flu shot. As said elsewhere, if you are anti-vaxx, I encourage you to hold tight to your beliefs. Just don't call 911 or take up hospital beds.
Yep. It's all about accountability, consequences and taking responsibility for one's own actions (or inactions).
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Got my 2nd COVID booster yesterday. I have more international travel (to Asia) on deck in 2023.
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Got my 2nd COVID booster yesterday. I have more international travel (to Asia) on deck in 2023.
In Mexico City about 30% of people are still wearing masks in indoor public spaces. I'd expect SE Asia, that was above that in pre-pandemic times, to be over 50%.
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In Mexico City about 30% of people are still wearing masks in indoor public spaces. I'd expect SE Asia, that was above that in pre-pandemic times, to be over 50%.
SE Asia had more than a 3rd of people wearing masks indoors pre-Covid? Wut?
My Chinese office head, as well as about a dozen of my good industry friends, are in HK this week for a trade show. Based on pictures Ive seen, and first hand accounts, mask wearing is around 10% if not lower. And the majority Ive seen have actually been westerners. The mainland Chinese who are there to buy and take meetings are far and away unmasked.
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SE Asia had more than a 3rd of people wearing masks indoors pre-Covid? Wut?
My Chinese office head, as well as about a dozen of my good industry friends, are in HK this week for a trade show. Based on pictures Ive seen, and first hand accounts, mask wearing is around 10% if not lower. And the majority Ive seen have actually been westerners. The mainland Chinese who are there to buy and take meetings are far and away unmasked.
China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan are East Asia, not SE Asia, imo. From my travels to ASEAN countries mask wearing was pretty high. Maybe the poorer you are, the less healthcare you can afford, the more frequently you wear a mask?
Vietnam was the first place I travelled in my life that it was 50/50 wearing a mask in public. I don't know enough Vietnamese to ask why.
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China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan are East Asia, not SE Asia, imo. From my travels to ASEAN countries mask wearing was pretty high. Maybe the poorer you are, the less healthcare you can afford, the more frequently you wear a mask?
Vietnam was the first place I travelled in my life that it was 50/50 wearing a mask in public. I don't know enough Vietnamese to ask why.
I include Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, and Thailand in my perspective. Not to mention this show attracts everyone in SE Asia within a 4-5 hour flight from HK, its just very popular with mainland Chinese due to proximity.
I'm not shading/doubting your experience, I just hear it a lot and have never found it to be true. Airports were the highest volume places to see masks, but still never more than a handful
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I include Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, and Thailand in my perspective. Not to mention this show attracts everyone in SE Asia within a 4-5 hour flight from HK, its just very popular with mainland Chinese due to proximity.
I'm not shading/doubting your experience, I just hear it a lot and have never found it to be true. Airports were the highest volume places to see masks, but still never more than a handful
Yep, agreed that those are SE Asian countries. Singapore had about 20-30% mask wearing pre-pandemic when I was there last for a friend's wedding. Thailand didn't have much mask wearing compared to Vietnam & Singapore pre-pandemic until you get into more rural areas.
I don't know what show you're talking about, but from my times visiting and my wife living over there masking is a part of the culture. I have a wild guess that some of it is keeping their face out of the sun (similar to poncho + glove wearing on 90+ degree days) because getting a tan means you're of a lower class.
Masks are distributed at work frequently at work in Singapore due to the pollution coming from Malaysia crop burning. Vietnam was the first place that I saw chain stores dedicated to selling masks & helmets (part of scooter culture, I guess?).
I don't really care that much about it. I just know that's the first place in my life I saw frequent public mask wearing and I didn't totally understand why. And I'm wondering how much that already accepted part of daily life has ramped up after the pandemic, or if it's returned to normalcy. Just curious.
Edit: Got me more curious. When we spent the most time in Singapore (over a month) was in their historically worst year for air quality. That may have impacted my anecdotal mask wearing experience there - https://www.statista.com/statistics/1076265/singapore-good-air-quality-according-to-number-of-days-in-the-year/
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Florida, at it again.
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — An analysis that was the basis of a highly criticized recommendation from Florida's surgeon general cautioning young men against getting the COVID-19 vaccine omitted information that showed catching the virus could increase the risk of a cardiac-related death much more than getting the mRNA shot, according to drafts of the analysis obtained by the Tampa Bay Times.
https://news.yahoo.com/report-florida-officials-cut-key-150016558.html
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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2306683
Minor details.
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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2306683
Minor details.
Say what you're trying to say.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-politics-may-blame-gop-154158657.html
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-politics-may-blame-gop-154158657.html
They were literally dying to own the libs.
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I do admire the commitment to the bit.
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Buffoon cured cancer. Who knew, hey?
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I do admire the commitment to the bit.
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"in their paper, Yale researchers Jacob Wallace, Jason L. Schwartz and Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham cautioned the data did not include individual causes of death or whether someone had been vaccinated. The data did not look at voters who had no party affiliation and was limited to Florida and Ohio, which aren't neat comparisons to other states."
More cheering over dead people. I do admire the commitment to the bit.
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Thanks. I own it. Choosing death over vaccines because you believed the lies you were told. My bit. I am committed to it.
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How's that been workin' out for ya, hey?
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Spiffily.
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Thanks. I own it. Choosing death over vaccines because you believed the lies you were told. My bit. I am committed to it.
Be nice.
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Thanks. I own it. Choosing death over vaccines because you believed the lies you were told. My bit. I am committed to it.
I think we can agree, like many issues, those on either side of this issue are never going to be flipped over a conversation on an internet message board. My problem is the continued celebration of death, and I'm not even saying you are the one doing it.
I disagree with you, but I don't want you to die because we have opposing viewpoints/beliefs.
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I don't celebrate death. I have seen far too much of it. I also don't fear death. It is the fate that awaits us all. When I see a preventable death in an adult that was due to a poor choice on their part, I don't mourn it. I hope they didn't take others with them.
I sympathize and empathize with those left behind. I have heard the scream many times of a heartbroken husband/wife/mother/father/son/daughter.
I lost former coworkers, parishioners, and patients to COVID. None of whom were vaccinated. I mourn those who died prior to the vaccine being available more than those who refused it after it was available. They chose their fate.
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I think we can agree, like many issues, those on either side of this issue are never going to be flipped over a conversation on an internet message board. My problem is the continued celebration of death, and I'm not even saying you are the one doing it.
I disagree with you, but I don't want you to die because we have opposing viewpoints/beliefs.
Nope, get rekt antivaxxers. These dumbasses are bringing back diseases which we had all but eradicated from planet Earth.
May they all rot.
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I think we can agree, like many issues, those on either side of this issue are never going to be flipped over a conversation on an internet message board. My problem is the continued celebration of death, and I'm not even saying you are the one doing it.
I disagree with you, but I don't want you to die because we have opposing viewpoints/beliefs.
I just want you to stop encouraging death, by proposing that vaccines are harmful.
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I don't celebrate death. I have seen far too much of it. I also don't fear death. It is the fate that awaits us all. When I see a preventable death in an adult that was due to a poor choice on their part, I don't mourn it. I hope they didn't take others with them.
I sympathize and empathize with those left behind. I have heard the scream many times of a heartbroken husband/wife/mother/father/son/daughter.
I lost former coworkers, parishioners, and patients to COVID. None of whom were vaccinated. I mourn those who died prior to the vaccine being available more than those who refused it after it was available. They chose their fate.
So if your Mom smoked or was obese and your Dad didn’t/wasn’t you wouldn’t mourn your Mom as much because she “chose her fate”? A hell of a lot of death can be attributed to people’s poor choices. Are you dismissive of all of them?
The vast majority of the people who died from Covid had co- morbidities, many circumstantial but also many a result of their own poor choices. Given the way you feel about people who make poor choices, why mourn any of them?
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“There are many other reasons for death so we shouldn’t put any emphasis on the cause that was far easier to prevent than others because that would be unfair to all those who have ever died from something else”
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It isn’t fair to those who died of regular old strokes or heart failure!
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I feel bad for the little old ladies walking their dogs who are attacked by gators. Or toddlers visiting Disney World. Florida man wrestling gators on purpose who loses? Less so. It was their choice to go in the alligator pen.
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So if your Mom smoked or was obese and your Dad didn’t/wasn’t you wouldn’t mourn your Mom as much because she “chose her fate”? A hell of a lot of death can be attributed to people’s poor choices. Are you dismissive of all of them?
The vast majority of the people who died from Covid had co- morbidities, many circumstantial but also many a result of their own poor choices. Given the way you feel about people who make poor choices, why mourn any of them?
My grandfather, long ago, had type 2 diabetes due to obesity. His doctors told him to modify his diet to start getting his weight under control and he refused. He passed away at ~55 years old, about 1 year after he retired, after having had multiple medical events all related to his obesity and diabetes.
His kids and wife all mourn him, and they are all deeply frustrated with him that he wasn't willing to do even the bare minimum to keep himself alive and with the family. Both positive and negative emotions are associated with the guy. We love him and he's lovely and he's also a selfish jerk that loved bacon too much to give it up.
And diabetes/obesity isn't communicable so he did not kill a bunch of people due to his choices.
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My grandfather, long ago, had type 2 diabetes due to obesity. His doctors told him to modify his diet to start getting his weight under control and he refused. He passed away at ~55 years old, about 1 year after he retired, after having had multiple medical events all related to his obesity and diabetes.
His kids and wife all mourn him, and they are all deeply frustrated with him that he wasn't willing to do even the bare minimum to keep himself alive and with the family. Both positive and negative emotions are associated with the guy. We love him and he's lovely and he's also a selfish jerk that loved bacon too much to give it up.
And diabetes/obesity isn't communicable so he did not kill a bunch of people due to his choices.
Culture warriors dying from covid are heroes
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Culture warriors dying from covid are heroes
My grandpa lived for bacon and he died for bacon. You've got to respect it.
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My grandpa lived for bacon and he died for bacon. You've got to respect it.
Bacon is worth dying for. Dying to prove a point to the “woke mob” is colossally stupid. I suppose it thins the herd, so that’s good
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“There are many other reasons for death so we shouldn’t put any emphasis on the cause that was far easier to prevent than others because that would be unfair to all those who have ever died from something else”
Huh? Put down the crack pipe.
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I feel bad for the little old ladies walking their dogs who are attacked by gators. Or toddlers visiting Disney World. Florida man wrestling gators on purpose who loses? Less so. It was their choice to go in the alligator pen.
So if your Mom (or any loved one) smoked or was obese you’d mourn her less. Fair enough.
My brother couldn’t stop drinking and killed himself. I mourn him even more than if he died of natural causes.
Not saying you’re wrong - we just look at it differently.
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Why?
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Why?
Because I can only imagine the pain he was in at/near the end of his life.
But I had a friend who asked me afterwards if I was mad at my brother. I didn’t get it then any more than I get you on the subject but there you go.
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Huh? Put down the crack pipe.
People have died from crack, you shouldn't joke about that.
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Covid is like religion, it's killed a lot of people.
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Because I can only imagine the pain he was in at/near the end of his life.
But I had a friend who asked me afterwards if I was mad at my brother. I didn’t get it then any more than I get you on the subject but there you go.
We don't get each other on a host of subjects.
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We don't get each other on a host of subjects.
If people are dying from covid and haven’t gotten the jab to own the libs, I applaud their dedication
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Folks die from lottsa chit. Nothin' ta see here now, aina?
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Folks die from lottsa chit. Nothin' ta see here now, aina?
Dying too own the libs is the way I hope to go out
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Dying too own the libs is the way I hope to go out
May your dreams all come true.
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May your dreams all come true.
If I can die over what Charlie Kirk says, it would have been a death worth having
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How's that been workin' out for ya, hey?
"Fahrenheit, my ass is takin' dat vaccine da furst moment itz available ta mee, hey?"
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By his own admission, Tower's had da chit at twice. As wuz sed, "how's that workin' out for ya, hey?"
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By his own admission, Tower's had da chit at twice. As wuz sed, "how's that workin' out for ya, hey?"
Yup. Another mark against the Trump administration for putting the vaccine out there
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By his own admission, Tower's had da chit at twice. As wuz sed, "how's that workin' out for ya, hey?"
Working out just as it's supposed to.
"The vaccine essentially takes hospitalization and death off the table even if you are one of the unlucky 5-28% who could be infected after full vaccination. If I told you to buy a lottery ticket for tonight's drawing since you would have a 72-95% chance of winning the jackpot, everyone would run to the corner gas station with dollars in hand. So, what's the big deal? Those who are still skeptical or fearful can remain that way and don't have to change. But, let the rest of us carry on as we did pre-March 2020. Follow the science because its real, hey?"
Amazing what non-stop disinformation can do to a mind, hey?
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By his own admission, Tower's had da chit at twice. As wuz sed, "how's that workin' out for ya, hey?"
It's working out extremely well for tower. He's not dead, unlike so many anti-vaxxers - many of whom spent their last hours on earth crying in regret that they were so stupid to reject a life-saving vaccine.
That your hero is now afraid to promote his work pushing Operation Warp Speed, arguably his most important (positive) accomplishment as president - and that you have flipped from "look what my president did" to "how's that workin' out for ya, hey?" - tells us all we need to know about how screwy our country is.
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Unless you are immune compromised or have comorbitities, its much ta do about nothin' now, hey?
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Unless you are immune compromised or have comorbitities, its much ta do about nothin' now, hey?
Which is now roughly 50% of the U.S. population.
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Unless you are immune compromised or have comorbitities, its much ta do about nothin' now, hey?
What comorbidity?
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Which is now roughly 50% of the U.S. population.
That”s absurd, of course. And usually it’s multiple, not just one, anyway. But other than age, a whole lot of the people with co-morbidities have them due to their own bad choices. I’m told that we shouldn’t sweat those folks all that much.
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That”s absurd, of course. And usually it’s multiple, not just one, anyway. But other than age, a whole lot of the people with co-morbidities have them due to their own bad choices. I’m told that we shouldn’t sweat those folks all that much.
"Article Summary Line Overall, 45.4% of US adults were estimated to be at heightened risk of COVID-19 complications due to co-morbidities, increasing from 19.8% for ages 18-29 years to 80.7% for ages 80+ years, with state-to-state variation."
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20043919v1
Feel free to begin your goal post moving now.
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"Article Summary Line Overall, 45.4% of US adults were estimated to be at heightened risk of COVID-19 complications due to co-morbidities, increasing from 19.8% for ages 18-29 years to 80.7% for ages 80+ years, with state-to-state variation."
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20043919v1
Feel free to begin your goal post moving now.
Since when is 45.4% of adults 50% of the population?
You moved your own goalposts. LOL.
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Since when is 45.4% of adults 50% of the population?
You moved your own goalposts. LOL.
"Which is now roughly 50% of the U.S. population." And the figure doesn't include immunocompromised.
Goodness, you've become quite a caricature.
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"Which is now roughly 50% of the U.S. population." And the figure doesn't include immunocompromised.
Goodness, you've become quite a caricature.
Lol. The transformation from Lennys to Chicos is complete.
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"Which is now roughly 50% of the U.S. population." And the figure doesn't include immunocompromised.
Goodness, you've become quite a caricature.
YOUR link doesn’t say “roughly 50% of the U.S. population” anywhere I see. Those are your words. Your link says 45.4% of the ADULT population in the U.S., which comes to 35.1% of the U.S. (total) population. 35.1% is not roughly 50%.
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Lol. The transformation from Lennys to Chicos is complete.
Sultan to the rescue. Pathetic.
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I suggest that everyone keep their eyes open to a new variant that is just getting legs and not talking about Eris. Israel is ground zero at the moment.
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I suggest that everyone the 35.1% of you who have comorbitities keep their eyes open to a new variant that is just getting legs and not talking about Eris. Israel is ground zero at the moment.
FIFY
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I am not a covid alarmist by any stretch. From I have heard/read this strain may have potential to be more troublesome than past variants. I have not thought about covid one time in a very long time, but this caught my attention.
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What? RFK Jr's theory that Covid was configured in the lab to spare Jews might have holes in it? Or maybe it's that only the 27% of Israel residents who aren't Jewish are being hit by this new strain.
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I suggest that everyone keep their eyes open to a new variant that is just getting legs and not talking about Eris. Israel is ground zero at the moment.
Great timing with the new vax / booster due out next month.
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where's doc fettucine when ya need him?
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Countin' hiz bread, hey?
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where's doc fettucine when ya need him?
For what?
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Hopefully enjoying a restful retirement after decades of serving his country.
Or, if he is vindictive, prepping for the day he can embarrass Rand Paul under oath.
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29 Putts, you can't be serious, hey?
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Hopefully enjoying a restful retirement after decades of serving his country.
Or, if he is vindictive, prepping for the day he can embarrass Rand Paul under oath.
so you're ok with gain of function that isn't gain of function or was it the pangolin or the wet markets, or the...?
this guy knew more about covid than most and could have saved a lot of lives, but it would have been at the expense of his "investments". you should be ashamed for your naivety on this character. why we need term limits on everything gubmint
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29 Putts, you can't be serious, hey?
Globetrotters vs Washington generals.
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so you're ok with gain of function that isn't gain of function or was it the pangolin or the wet markets, or the...?
this guy knew more about covid than most and could have saved a lot of lives, but it would have been at the expense of his "investments". you should be ashamed for your naivety on this character. why we need term limits on everything gubmint
Yes. The guy was so into chasing the buck that he worked for the federal government for most of his career. ::)
One would think after being consistently wrong on Covid pretty much from the very beginning, that it would cause you to be self-reflective about how you received your information on the topic. But that would require a level of self-awareness and intelligence that you apparently don't possess.
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Yes. The guy was so into chasing the buck that he worked for the federal government for most of his career. ::)
One would think after being consistently wrong on Covid pretty much from the very beginning, that it would cause you to be self-reflective about how you received your information on the topic. But that would require a level of self-awareness and intelligence that you apparently don't possess.
How can you be self-reflective when you only seek out what you want to hear?
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How can you be self-reflective when you only seek out what you want to hear?
Solid point.
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so you're ok with gain of function that isn't gain of function or was it the pangolin or the wet markets, or the...?
this guy knew more about covid than most and could have saved a lot of lives, but it would have been at the expense of his "investments". you should be ashamed for your naivety on this character. why we need term limits on everything gubmint
He tried to save lives. He pushed science, prudence,and logic at every turn. Science was ignored, snake oil was pimped by hucksters and grifters, and Facebook was listened to over science and logic.
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Solid point.
projection is an interesting phenomenon
fettucine is a crook and a liar. if we had an honest media held to any standards, this would be very evident, but since the nyt's hasn't(and will not) report it, it didn't happen ::) ?-( ::)
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projection is an interesting phenomenon
fettucine is a crook and a liar. if we had an honest media held to any standards, this would be very evident, but since the nyt's hasn't(and will not) report it, it didn't happen ::) ?-( ::)
Rocket blames "the media." Time to drink.
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Rocket blames "the media." Time to drink.
blame the media for what?? fettucine made his own bed and you guys slept in it.
enjoy your boones farm
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this guy knew more about covid than most and could have saved a lot of lives,
I guess by recommending HCQ and Ivermectin no doubt
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projection is an interesting phenomenon
fettucine is a crook and a liar. if we had an honest media held to any standards, this would be very evident, but since the nyt's hasn't(and will not) report it, it didn't happen ::) ?-( ::)
Fox News devotee complains about lack of honest media.
Chef's kiss.
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I guess by recommending HCQ and Ivermectin no doubt
fettucine lied about the origin of the virus and the fundng of gain of function under oath-for those of you from rio linda, that's called perjury.
no masks, masks, well 2 or 3 or as many as you can get your hands on, vax double vax triple vax, vax in morning and night, this is a viru$ of the unvaxed-another lie
whatever the chinese told me to say and SHOW ME THE MONEY
and please don't let this fraud throw out your first pitch
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Again if there is one sure way for a doctor to make money, it’s working for the federal government for decades.
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fettucine lied about the origin of the virus and the fundng of gain of function under oath-for those of you from rio linda, that's called perjury.
no masks, masks, well 2 or 3 or as many as you can get your hands on, vax double vax triple vax, vax in morning and night, this is a viru$ of the unvaxed-another lie
whatever the chinese told me to say and SHOW ME THE MONEY
and please don't let this fraud throw out your first pitch
A man of science living in a fantasy world of conspiracy theories. Good job, good effort.
This is your brain on horse parasite paste.
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A man of science living in a fantasy world of conspiracy theories. Good job, good effort.
This is your brain on horse parasite paste.
He’s spoon fed what he wants to hear and spits it out as truth.
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FWIW, my BIL/SIL and their family are currently in Tel Aviv and its life as normal there, nothing out of the ordinary with regards to COVID and the new variants.
Gotta respect the conspiracy theorists already out in front of the idea that they've already planned masking up and lockdowns for October/November. This way they can say TOLD YOU SO if this new strain supposedly happens or "we blew the whistle and called out the plan" if it doesn't.
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A man of science living in a fantasy world of conspiracy theories. Good job, good effort.
This is your brain on horse parasite paste.
speaking of "victims" get your fettucine knee pads out AGAIN ya got your cloth gaiter in your back pocket just in case your gubmint/fettucine orders you to gaiter up? oh, and stock up on the tp. can't be wearing depends all the time
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speaking of "victims" get your fettucine knee pads out AGAIN ya got your cloth gaiter in your back pocket just in case your gubmint/fettucine orders you to gaiter up? oh, and stock up on the tp. can't be wearing depends all the time
Your children would be embarrassed if they read this.
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FWIW, my BIL/SIL and their family are currently in Tel Aviv and its life as normal there, nothing out of the ordinary with regards to COVID and the new variants.
Gotta respect the conspiracy theorists already out in front of the idea that they've already planned masking up and lockdowns for October/November. This way they can say TOLD YOU SO if this new strain supposedly happens or "we blew the whistle and called out the plan" if it doesn't.
Yep, and it cuts both ways. Too many people broke their brains on this stuff. A lot of terminally online people think that tiktok and twitter/X are real life.
They made the pandemic their entire personality for a year or two and can't return. Look no further than our boy rocket here.
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Your children would be embarrassed if they read this.
My guess is that many family gatherings have their "Homer backing into the hedges" type moments.
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Gotta respect the conspiracy theorists already out in front of the idea that they've already planned masking up and lockdowns for October/November. This way they can say TOLD YOU SO if this new strain supposedly happens or "we blew the whistle and called out the plan" if it doesn't.
It’s getting easier to see who reads this stuff. The topics seem to be getting more unique and discreet.
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fettucine lied about the origin of the virus and the fundng of gain of function under oath-for those of you from rio linda, that's called perjury.
no masks, masks, well 2 or 3 or as many as you can get your hands on, vax double vax triple vax, vax in morning and night, this is a viru$ of the unvaxed-another lie
whatever the chinese told me to say and SHOW ME THE MONEY
and please don't let this fraud throw out your first pitch
Yes, he recommended the vaccines which saved millions of lives. Masks, too, were a very legitimate attempt to slow the transmission of the virus and which cost the wearer nothing.
So could he have saved millions of lives but didn't?
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Yep, and it cuts both ways. Too many people broke their brains on this stuff. A lot of terminally online people think that tiktok and twitter/X are real life.
They made the pandemic their entire personality for a year or two and can't return. Look no further than our boy rocket here.
Spot on. I, and others, roll their eyes at those who still screech “we’re in a pandemic” or still make their online persona about masking or being bothered that others aren’t operating like we were in 2020 or 2021….but there are people on the other side still yelling about Fauci or using those people just mentioned to rant on stuff that happened 2+ years ago. We all wanted to get back to normal life and not be constrained by COVID policies…so why not live in the present then?
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I also don't understand the notion that unless experts were perfect about everything, then their recommendations must have had some bad intent behind them.
Like somehow Fauci pushed for vaccinations because of his "investments." Was the effectiveness of the vaccinations overstated? Sure. Did they prevent thousands of people from getting seriously ill and dying? Most definitely. But sure...he was in it for the money. ::)
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status
Or that government was requiring people to mask as a form of "control." Was masking overdone and for too long? Yep. But I'm not really sure what harm that actually caused. And why exactly would they being trying to "control" us anyway?
It's so illogical that it makes my brain hurt. Maybe he and others weren't right about everything because it was an unprecedented situation and no one is perfect.
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I also don't understand the notion that unless experts were perfect about everything, then their recommendations must have had some bad intent behind them.
Like somehow Fauci pushed for vaccinations because of his "investments." Was the effectiveness of the vaccinations overstated? Sure. Did they prevent thousands of people from getting seriously ill and dying? Most definitely. But sure...he was in it for the money. ::)
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status
Or that government was requiring people to mask as a form of "control." Was masking overdone and for too long? Yep. But I'm not really sure what harm that actually caused. And why exactly would they being trying to "control" us anyway?
It's so illogical that it makes my brain hurt. Maybe he and others weren't right about everything because it was an unprecedented situation and no one is perfect.
Rage and grievance. It's the ONLY policy.
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It’s a pretty tried and true excuse for doing nothing to improve a problem in this country. “It doesn’t solve every single possible issue so there’s no point in trying”.
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I also don't understand the notion that unless experts were perfect about everything, then their recommendations must have had some bad intent behind them.
Like somehow Fauci pushed for vaccinations because of his "investments." Was the effectiveness of the vaccinations overstated? Sure. Did they prevent thousands of people from getting seriously ill and dying? Most definitely. But sure...he was in it for the money. ::)
The biggest problem the media can be blamed for, in terms of Fauci, was putting him on TV every damn day, often multiple times. This created so many soundbites and collections of statements that contradicted each other, cause even the most informed and pragmatic people involved in COVID response had no clue, in retrospect, from one week to another. It also created burnout in some people as someone who was a welcome sight in the beginning became omnipresent and naturally the recipient of deity treatment by some. None of it is particularly Fauci's fault but its a reality.
Thats nothing to support all the conspiracy theories, though I will say many people have proven there are plenty of ways to become rich from altruistic government service ;D
Or that government was requiring people to mask as a form of "control." Was masking overdone and for too long? Yep. But I'm not really sure what harm that actually caused. And why exactly would they being trying to "control" us anyway?
It was the polarization of it all. The control was the aforementioned people who let the masking/pandemic worry become their identity. To them ANYTHING in "prevention" of COVID was merited, absolutely necessary, and morally right...which they felt was supported/endorsed by the government. So that created pressure onto anyone they thought weren't complying or "doing the right thing". Long after the actual meaningful impact in lives saved had passed, the tension persisted.
While there were some yahoos who dug into this notion of the government was trying to subjugate everyone, the more reasonable "control" worry was this creation of factions of "do whatever the government says, otherwise you dont care about others" against everyone else...who ranged from the aforementioned yahoos to many of us here who can admit some of the measures were overkill, or went on too long, or became detached from reality/sense but just persisted until a pronounced decision removed them.
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You guys will never get this but the problem was all debate was shut down to the point where people lost their licenses to practice pharmacists docs etc and others were cancelled and worse but carry on with your “everything went just fine” attitudes
Fool them once…
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You guys will never get this but the problem was all debate was shut down to the point where people lost their licenses to practice pharmacists docs etc and others were cancelled and worse but carry on with your “everything went just fine” attitudes
Fool them once…
Please cite some examples of pharmacists and medical professionals who lost licenses for "having a debate" so we can judge for ourselves.
And what could possibly be worse than being canceled? I've been led to believe there's no greater damnation.
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Please cite some examples of pharmacists and medical professionals who lost licenses for "having a debate" so we can judge for ourselves.
And what could possibly be worse than being canceled? I've been led to believe there's no greater damnation.
Go look it up yourself so you don’t chit all over my sources. There are many out there but you won’t find them on msnbc, cnn, abc, cbs, ny times, etc etc
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Go look it up yourself so you don’t chit all over my sources. There are many out there but you won’t find them on msnbc, cnn, abc, cbs, ny times, etc etc
In other words, you have none.
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In other words, you have none.
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Ya got me again paki
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Fauci failed to save lives and people lost their licenses for having debates.
This is what alternative reality looks like.
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Please cite some examples of pharmacists and medical professionals who lost licenses for "having a debate" so we can judge for ourselves.
And what could possibly be worse than being canceled? I've been led to believe there's no greater damnation.
I have no idea whether pharmacists and medical professionals lost licenses - sounds a bit over the top. But front liners in the battle against Covid lost their jobs for making a personal choice against mandated vaccination. So did people in the military and other government service.
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I have no idea whether pharmacists and medical professionals lost licenses - sounds a bit over the top. But front liners in the battle against Covid lost their jobs for making a personal choice against mandated vaccination. So did people in the military and other government service.
People lost their jobs for refusing to meet the terms of their employment? Members of the military were dismissed for refusing lawful orders?
Whoa. That's pretty much Marxism.
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So much for "my vagina, my choice," aina?
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People lost their jobs for refusing to meet the terms of their employment? Members of the military were dismissed for refusing lawful orders?
Whoa. That's pretty much Marxism.
Marxism? No. The mandates from the Big Guy were just plain old fashioned authoritarianism. Love the way you cloak it, though. “Lawful orders”, “terms of employment”. Wow. Just wow.
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Marxism? No. The mandates from the Big Guy were just plain old fashioned authoritarianism. Love the way you cloak it, though. “Lawful orders”, “terms of employment”. Wow. Just wow.
There was another frequent Scooper who posted "Wow. Just wow" everytime he lacked any intelligent response (which was often).
Transformation complete.
JWags is righr. COVID broke brains.
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There was another frequent Scooper who posted "Wow. Just wow" everytime he lacked any intelligent response (which was often).
Transformation complete.
JWags is righr. COVID broke brains.
It certainly broke yours. I never would have guessed that you would end up defending the hysteria and government overreach that came with Covid. Since all you’ve ever cared about is defending what you perceive as your team, next maybe you can tell us how well the teacher’s unions protected our most vulnerable students during the pandemic.
#BrokenBrain #Sad
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I have no idea whether pharmacists and medical professionals lost licenses - sounds a bit over the top. But front liners in the battle against Covid lost their jobs for making a personal choice against mandated vaccination. So did people in the military and other government service.
Do you realize that there were various vaccination requirements for the military prior to Covid? And, depending on the state, to be a licensed physician as well?
But for some reason that was never labeled “authoritarianism” before.
Weird.
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It certainly broke yours. I never would have guessed that you would end up defending the hysteria and government overreach that came with Covid. Since all you’ve ever cared about is defending what you perceive as your team, next maybe you can tell us how well the teacher’s unions protected our most vulnerable students during the pandemic.
#BrokenBrain #Sad
I'll defend the teachers unions' COVID positions just as soon as you show me where I've endorsed the teachers unions' COVID positions.
Deal?
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Do you realize that there were various vaccination requirements for the military prior to Covid? And, depending on the state, to be a licensed physician as well?
But for some reason that was never labeled “authoritarianism” before.
Weird.
Name a vaccine that people in the military or in healthcare were mandated to take that was rushed to market in 9 months and didn’t do (prevent infection or transmission) what it claimed to do. It was an unnecessary move - our military is generally young and healthy, many of our frontline healthcare workers had already had contracted Covid and had better immunity than the vaccine provided.
I get that people were afraid. I’m 74 and was grateful to get the vaccine even if trials and testing were rushed (and, it turns out, not accurate). My choice. Others (especially those not at much risk - the young and healthy) should have, in a non authoritarian society, their choice.
Weird that a freedom lover like yourself would disagree.
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Name a vaccine that people in the military or in healthcare were mandated to take that was rushed to market in 9 months and didn’t do (prevent infection or transmission) what it claimed to do. It was an unnecessary move - our military is generally young and healthy, many of our frontline healthcare workers had already had contracted Covid and had better immunity than the vaccine provided.
I get that people were afraid. I’m 74 and was grateful to get the vaccine even if trials and testing were rushed (and, it turns out, not accurate). My choice. Others (especially those not at much risk - the young and healthy) should have, in a non authoritarian society, their choice.
Weird that a freedom lover like yourself would disagree.
So vaccination requirements are fine in general, but with Covid it’s “authoritarian.”
A Chicosesque level goalpost shift.
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Go look it up yourself so you don’t chit all over my sources. There are many out there but you won’t find them on msnbc, cnn, abc, cbs, ny times, etc etc
Making something up and then asking others to prove it for you. Well done, once again.
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Name a vaccine that people in the military or in healthcare were mandated to take that was rushed to market in 9 months and didn’t do (prevent infection or transmission) what it claimed to do. It was an unnecessary move - our military is generally young and healthy, many of our frontline healthcare workers had already had contracted Covid and had better immunity than the vaccine provided.
I get that people were afraid. I’m 74 and was grateful to get the vaccine even if trials and testing were rushed (and, it turns out, not accurate). My choice. Others (especially those not at much risk - the young and healthy) should have, in a non authoritarian society, their choice.
Weird that a freedom lover like yourself would disagree.
The vaccine lowered the symptoms and kept people out of the hospital. This entire board has been over this a thousand times.
If our military had thousands of sick guys and they were needed for combat, they can't just call in sick, Lenny. We send our soldiers to their death regularily, and you are worried about a vaccine that is safe and effective at reducing symptoms?
This is such a weird hill to die on years later.
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Y'all will never admit our response to covid
was overblown and excessive. Trump's biggest error was trottin' Fauci and Birks out each night to "guide" us thru the crisis.
He realized it too late, but by then, it didn't matter. The die was cast. Ultimately, it led to his election defeat...mission accomplished, hey?
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Y'all will never admit our response to covid
was overblown and excessive. Trump's biggest error was trottin' Fauci and Birks out each night to "guide" us thru the crisis.
He realized it too late, but by then, it didn't matter. The die was cast. Ultimately, it led to his election defeat...mission accomplished, hey?
You think that is what led to his election defeat? Really?
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Y'all will never admit our response to covid
was overblown and excessive.
Yeah...no one will admit that. ::)
Was the effectiveness of the vaccinations overstated? Sure.
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Was masking overdone and for too long? Yep.
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You think that is what led to his election defeat? Really?
Yeah. That was amusing as well.
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Y'all will never admit our response to covid
was overblown and excessive. Trump's biggest error was trottin' Fauci and Birks out each night to "guide" us thru the crisis.
He realized it too late, but by then, it didn't matter. The die was cast. Ultimately, it led to his election defeat...mission accomplished, hey?
"Here y'all...I may be able to save your life.
If you fit into the categories now eligible for vaccinations, and are in the area, contact:
Infinity Pharmacy
2700 S. 60 St. 53219
(414) 988-0008
Time slots are readily available. Full disclosure, I receive no compensation for referrals. This is done from the goodness of my heart and the desire to get everyone vaccinated asap, hey?"
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Y'all will never admit our response to covid
was overblown and excessive. Trump's biggest error was trottin' Fauci and Birks out each night to "guide" us thru the crisis.
He realized it too late, but by then, it didn't matter. The die was cast. Ultimately, it led to his election defeat...mission accomplished, hey?
Overblown and excessive how?
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Overblown and excessive how?
Just off the top of my head, it was sold that we needed to vaccinate and booster children for a disease that posed essentially no threat to them, and also kept them out of school, in some cases well over a year. People were whipped up into such a frenzy that they were trying to mask babies and toddlers.
The whole mask psychosis was something else as well. The typical cloth mask provides about as much protection from a respiratory virus like Covid as a chain link fence provides at keeping mosquitos out of your yard. People went totally nanners over the masks. Now we have a couple billion of them floating around in our oceans which doesn't seem like a good tradeoff for the largely symbolic gesture of mask wearing during Covid.
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Just off the top of my head, it was sold that we needed to vaccinate and booster children for a disease that posed essentially no threat to them, and also kept them out of school, in some cases well over a year. People were whipped up into such a frenzy that they were trying to mask babies and toddlers.
The whole mask psychosis was something else as well. The typical cloth mask provides about as much protection from a respiratory virus like Covid as a chain link fence provides at keeping mosquitos out of your yard. People went totally nanners over the masks. Now we have a couple billion of them floating around in our oceans which doesn't seem like a good tradeoff for the largely symbolic gesture of mask wearing during Covid.
Over 1800 children have died from COVID, so I would say there is a real threat. A majority (definitely not all) school districts went back in person fully in the fall of 2020. Masks were mandated many places, but not all places. I disagree on the effectiveness of masks, but if your problem was that you had to wear something on your face to go anywhere you wanted, that's on you.
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"dr" jill biden has covid AGAIN
vaxed and vaxed and vaxed and boosted and vaxed and....
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"dr" jill biden has covid AGAIN
vaxed and vaxed and vaxed and boosted and vaxed and....
She’s more of a doctor than you.
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Carty, next time ya got a toothache, do us all a favor and call Jill, aina?
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Carty, next time ya got a toothache, do us all a favor and call Jill, aina?
I wouldn’t call a quack like rocket. “Medical professional”. Probably put leeches on my toothache
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Pretty sure Rocket doesn't give a chit what you think, hey?
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Pretty sure Rocket doesn't give a chit what you think, hey?
At least I can think, hey?
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She’s more of a doctor than you.
if she is, why doesn't she spend a little more time helping her cheating, lying husband read better
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if she is, why doesn't she spend a little more time helping her cheating, lying husband read better
You have a problem with lying, cheating husbands all of a sudden?
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You have a problem with lying, cheating husbands all of a sudden?
you musta missed me something terrible over the past couple of weeks :-*
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you musta missed me something terrible over the past couple of weeks :-*
No, your posts show up on Reddit
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Just off the top of my head, it was sold that we needed to vaccinate and booster children for a disease that posed essentially no threat to them, and also kept them out of school, in some cases well over a year. People were whipped up into such a frenzy that they were trying to mask babies and toddlers.
Even now after massively successful vaccination campaigns, the rate of hospitalizations for COVID are around 10-30x higher than for the Flu.
Those hardest hit, with the highest rates of hospitalization, are those over 50 and those under 4.
Even after recovering, and regardless of hospitalization, all populations are subject to potentially life-long health consequences, not to mention those who suffer from long-COVID.
So maybe, just maybe it makes a heck of a lot of sense to vaccinate children. The fact that some don't realize this yet, including ones who are health professionals is sickening and highlights why we have so many problems with our healthcare system and quality of care.
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Why we have so many problems with our health care system?? Come on forget, give it a rest…we have the best in the world. If the WHO, China and a dude name fettucine werent so damn corrupt we wouldn’t have had this damn virus to begin with…oh, yeah, and follow the science and flatten the curve…WE CAN DO THIS TOGETHER blah blah blah
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The problem is trusting our so called “leaders”
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Why we have so many problems with our health care system?? Come on forget, give it a rest…we have the best in the world. If the WHO, China and a dude name fettucine werent so damn corrupt we wouldn’t have had this damn virus to begin with…oh, yeah, and follow the science and flatten the curve…WE CAN DO THIS TOGETHER blah blah blah
2 out of 10
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The problem is trusting our so called “leaders”
5 out of 10
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Why we have so many problems with our health care system?? Come on forget, give it a rest…we have the best in the world. If the WHO, China and a dude name fettucine werent so damn corrupt we wouldn’t have had this damn virus to begin with…oh, yeah, and follow the science and flatten the curve…WE CAN DO THIS TOGETHER blah blah blah
Based on what metric?
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Based on what metric?
Well we are best at cost. We are the most expensive.
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Well we are best at cost. We are the most expensive.
I think in terms of quality of medicine, training, and depth of care, the US has the best overall medical professionals in the world, or at least a very real discussion for the top spot. The US is still arguably THE hub for top tier specialized medicine.
As for the system as whole, regardless of one’s feelings on nationalized healthcare, it’s hard to make the argument of being the best based on the overall costs and levels it can reach.
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I think in terms of quality of medicine, training, and depth of care, the US has the best overall medical professionals in the world, or at least a very real discussion for the top spot. The US is still arguably THE hub for top tier specialized medicine.
As for the system as whole, regardless of one’s feelings on nationalized healthcare, it’s hard to make the argument of being the best based on the overall costs and levels it can reach.
I agree with you there, but other countries are starting to make inroads.
And it is a whole other topic of conversation, but medicine, and medical research are in a stage of massive transformation. AI is already a game changer in medical research, and it will transform how health is treated globally.
I hope we stay a leader in that realm. It is fascinating how generative-AI is already impacting how drug discovery is being done, and it has broad impacts across all medicine.
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Holy crap.
Full drunk uncle.
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That narrows it down.
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X23009519
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X23009519
Would have been simpler to say idiots avoided the jab
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The real idiots are the ones that talked up the vaccine until Fox told them otherwise.
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The real idiots are the ones that talked up the vaccine until Fox told them otherwise.
Not a nice way to speak about the governor of Florida.
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Not a nice way to speak about the governor of Florida.
And the dentists of Scoop.
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And the dentists of Scoop.
And the former President.
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Dietrich Boenhoffer nailed it. Ron White said it in a more pithy fashion.
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Covid vaccine pioneers win a Nobel prize.
Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman, whose research on tweaking messenger RNA led to the development of breakthrough coronavirus vaccines, were awarded the Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine. Their legacy: About 400 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and 250 million doses of the Moderna vaccine have been administered in the U.S. alone.
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Wow. The Nobel committee is in on the scam as well. smh...
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It is really impressive that they came so far with the coronavirus vaccine and mRNA technology. Hopefully we'll see mRNA cancer vaccines in our lifetime.
100 years ago only 23% of homes in America had electricity. How far we've come.
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Wow. The Nobel committee is in on the scam as well. smh...
Devils advocate, even if you believe the vaccines were rushed and not properly tested before mass roll out, the research and scientific development was incredible. I think it’s 2 different arguments.
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Devils advocate, even if you believe the vaccines were rushed and not properly tested before mass roll out, the research and scientific development was incredible. I think it’s 2 different arguments.
But is this really the argument of the anti-vaxxers?
I don't see many of them saying "If it continues to prove effective for a couple more years, I'm all in."
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Devils advocate, even if you believe the vaccines were rushed and not properly tested before mass roll out, the research and scientific development was incredible. I think it’s 2 different arguments.
This would have been an interesting argument in early 2021.
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You know, save a few million (or more) lives and ... meh!
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But is this really the argument of the anti-vaxxers?
I don't see many of them saying "If it continues to prove effective for a couple more years, I'm all in."
There will never be enough proof for a lot of people. They're hopeless.
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There will never be enough proof for a lot of people. They're hopeless.
The surefire way to get these imbeciles to take the vaccine is for Democrats to come out against it.
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Wasn't sure whether to put this in the doom thread, or here. Man...people are dumb...
(https://preview.redd.it/tenant-usa-is-my-landlord-allowed-to-do-this-v0-5207aoqeenrb1.jpg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7547669cf3b88b0c32f8fb7ebe604328242be6cb)
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FYI, the Fall Booster knocked me down for a day. First time, any of the vaccines have done that. Just wanted to let everyone know.
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I heard it was to activate the Marburg virus in us. Just sayin'. Check your sources, Rocky.
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FYI, the Fall Booster knocked me down for a day. First time, any of the vaccines have done that. Just wanted to let everyone know.
Covid knocked my wife and I out for 2 weeks when we caught it a month or so ago. Sounds like a fair trade. Good to know.
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FYI, the Fall Booster knocked me down for a day. First time, any of the vaccines have done that. Just wanted to let everyone know.
Got mine last week (Pfizer). I usually get them late morning, feel fatigued that evening, and wake up fine. No different this time for me.
I heard it was to activate the Marburg virus in us. Just sayin'. Check your sources, Rocky.
I mean, I'm sure the blood coming out of my eye sockets is just a temporary thing...
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FYI, the Fall Booster knocked me down for a day. First time, any of the vaccines have done that. Just wanted to let everyone know.
Got mine yesterday and just like every previous time and every other vaccine received, no ill effects whatsoever. (Except that 2nd Shingles, ouch!!!)
Unless you count that I'm a Zombie now after the Emergency Test on the cell phone that just happened..................
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Got mine yesterday and just like every previous time and every other vaccine received, no ill effects whatsoever. (Except that 2nd Shingles, ouch!!!)
Same. First and only time a vaccination kicked my ass.
Unless you count that I'm a Zombie now after the Emergency Test on the cell phone that just happened..................
Also same
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Did ya'll get the flu shot and covid booster at the same time? Travis Kelce, who from what I understand is a higher up over at the CDC, said I should do that. But is that the "I know you idiots won't come back twice so just get them both at once" kind of public health advice? Because if it makes any difference at all for immunity, I'll just get them separately.
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Did ya'll get the flu shot and covid booster at the same time? Travis Kelce, who from what I understand is a higher up over at the CDC, said I should do that. But is that the "I know you idiots won't come back twice so just get them both at once" kind of public health advice? Because if it makes any difference at all for immunity, I'll just get them separately.
I did last time around.
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Did ya'll get the flu shot and covid booster at the same time? Travis Kelce, who from what I understand is a higher up over at the CDC, said I should do that.
I did. The whole process was Swift.
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It was Taylor'ed to be so.
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Did ya'll get the flu shot and covid booster at the same time? Travis Kelce, who from what I understand is a higher up over at the CDC, said I should do that. But is that the "I know you idiots won't come back twice so just get them both at once" kind of public health advice? Because if it makes any difference at all for immunity, I'll just get them separately.
I got both yesterday.
Of course I'm a Zombie now after the Emergency Test on the cell phone that just happened.................
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Did ya'll get the flu shot and covid booster at the same time? Travis Kelce, who from what I understand is a higher up over at the CDC, said I should do that. But is that the "I know you idiots won't come back twice so just get them both at once" kind of public health advice? Because if it makes any difference at all for immunity, I'll just get them separately.
I did them together last year. It was fine.
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But is this really the argument of the anti-vaxxers?
I don't see many of them saying "If it continues to prove effective for a couple more years, I'm all in."
I hear you, and mostly don’t disagree with you, but it depends.
Pure anti-vaxxers obviously would have no love for medical research to DEVELOP POISON
And some of the people who have made it immensely political and would let a LIB JAB into their arm probably would dismiss the research as well.
But I know at least a dozen people who didn’t get the vaccine within the 18 months or so, who later did after discussions with friends/families/GPs. Also Just recently spoke with a friend I’ve known since I was 18 who is actually a microbiology researcher. She didn’t get the vaccine with her husband because they felt rollout was rushed, but thought the research behind was incredible and ground breaking. But they are getting vaccinated in this most recent booster rollout
That reasonable mindset is what I was thinking of.
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I hear you, and mostly don’t disagree with you, but it depends.
Pure anti-vaxxers obviously would have no love for medical research to DEVELOP POISON
And some of the people who have made it immensely political and would let a LIB JAB into their arm probably would dismiss the research as well.
But I know at least a dozen people who didn’t get the vaccine within the 18 months or so, who later did after discussions with friends/families/GPs. Also Just recently spoke with a friend I’ve known since I was 18 who is actually a microbiology researcher. She didn’t get the vaccine with her husband because they felt rollout was rushed, but thought the research behind was incredible and ground breaking. But they are getting vaccinated in this most recent booster rollout
That reasonable mindset is what I was thinking of.
That's fair. I'm sure there are people who had good faith (though ultimately mistaken) concerns about the vaccine.
But I think they've always been a minority among the vaccine opponents, and certainly a very tiny minority today.
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Sticking with horse paste but thanks for the advice
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Did ya'll get the flu shot and covid booster at the same time? Travis Kelce, who from what I understand is a higher up over at the CDC, said I should do that. But is that the "I know you idiots won't come back twice so just get them both at once" kind of public health advice? Because if it makes any difference at all for immunity, I'll just get them separately.
I got the flu shot and the rsv shot at the same time. Covid booster next.
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Got the Covid booster today, as recommended to do by our friend who is an infectious disease doctor at the hospital where my wife used to work.
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Arkansas jail inmates settle lawsuit with doctor who prescribed them ivermectin for COVID-19
https://apnews.com/article/arkansas-jail-inmates-ivermectin-lawsuit-settlement-bc1b8569c6625800ad8dc9d817754348
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — Five former inmates at an Arkansas county jail have settled their lawsuit against a doctor who they said gave them the antiparasitic drug ivermectin to fight COVID-19 without their consent.
A federal judge last week dismissed the 2022 lawsuit against Dr. Robert Karas, who was the doctor for the Washington County jail and had administered the drug to treat COVID, citing the settlement.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved ivermectin for use by people and animals for some parasitic worms, head lice and skin conditions. The FDA has not approved its use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. According to the FDA, side effects for the drug include skin rash, nausea and vomiting.
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Just did. Awaiting the zombification.
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Just did. Awaiting the zombification.
You should be OK. You missed the national test of the emergency broadcast system.
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I meant watching Fox News, but yeah, that phone thing.
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Encouraging statistics
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-new-evidence-confirms-covid-19-vaccines-are-overwhelmingly-safe/
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Legal child abuse:
The percentage of kindergartners whose parents opted them out of state-required childhood vaccinations rose to the highest level yet during the 2022-2023 school year, according to federal data released Thursday. The numbers mark a continued drop in routine immunization that increases the risk for highly contagious diseases, such as measles, to spread.
The report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention underscored the coronavirus pandemic’s impact on routine immunization rates and the lingering consequences for school-age children.
The United States has experienced several measles outbreaks in recent years in communities where vaccination rates have been low. Last fall, a measles outbreak in Columbus, Ohio, mostly involved children who were old enough to get the shots but whose parents chose not to have them vaccinated, health officials said. It was the country’s largest outbreak of the highly infectious pathogen last year.
All states and the District of Columbia require schoolchildren to be vaccinated against certain diseases, including measles, whooping cough and polio. They must report yearly data to the CDC on the number of children in kindergarten who meet those requirements or who receive exemptions. All states grant exemptions based on medical reasons; a growing number also allow religious or philosophical exemptions.
The overall percentage of children with a vaccination exemption increased from 2.6 percent during the 2021-2022 school year to 3 percent in 2022-2023, the highest exemption rate ever reported in the United States. The data includes estimated vaccination coverage for about 3.8 million public and private school kindergartners.
The report’s authors said they did not assess why there is a continued drop in vaccination coverage. “It is not clear whether this reflects a true increase in opposition to vaccination, or if parents are opting for nonmedical exemptions because of barriers to vaccination or out of convenience,” the report said.
But even before the pandemic, more parents in an increasing number of states opted their children out of required immunizations because of vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaccine sentiment, according to data and experts. The pandemic magnified those concerns because of controversies and politicization around coronavirus vaccines and school vaccine mandates.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/11/09/kindergarten-vaccine-exemptions-cdc-data/?utm_campaign=wp_the7&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_the7
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Legal child abuse:
The percentage of kindergartners whose parents opted them out of state-required childhood vaccinations rose to the highest level yet during the 2022-2023 school year, according to federal data released Thursday. The numbers mark a continued drop in routine immunization that increases the risk for highly contagious diseases, such as measles, to spread.
The report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention underscored the coronavirus pandemic’s impact on routine immunization rates and the lingering consequences for school-age children.
The United States has experienced several measles outbreaks in recent years in communities where vaccination rates have been low. Last fall, a measles outbreak in Columbus, Ohio, mostly involved children who were old enough to get the shots but whose parents chose not to have them vaccinated, health officials said. It was the country’s largest outbreak of the highly infectious pathogen last year.
All states and the District of Columbia require schoolchildren to be vaccinated against certain diseases, including measles, whooping cough and polio. They must report yearly data to the CDC on the number of children in kindergarten who meet those requirements or who receive exemptions. All states grant exemptions based on medical reasons; a growing number also allow religious or philosophical exemptions.
The overall percentage of children with a vaccination exemption increased from 2.6 percent during the 2021-2022 school year to 3 percent in 2022-2023, the highest exemption rate ever reported in the United States. The data includes estimated vaccination coverage for about 3.8 million public and private school kindergartners.
The report’s authors said they did not assess why there is a continued drop in vaccination coverage. “It is not clear whether this reflects a true increase in opposition to vaccination, or if parents are opting for nonmedical exemptions because of barriers to vaccination or out of convenience,” the report said.
But even before the pandemic, more parents in an increasing number of states opted their children out of required immunizations because of vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaccine sentiment, according to data and experts. The pandemic magnified those concerns because of controversies and politicization around coronavirus vaccines and school vaccine mandates.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/11/09/kindergarten-vaccine-exemptions-cdc-data/?utm_campaign=wp_the7&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_the7
Maybe they’re taking ivermectin
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If I want to expose my child - and any child near my child - to a potentially life-changing or life-ending illness, that's my parental right.
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As long as we ban books about life-ending illnesses, all will be OK.
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If I want to expose my child - and any child near my child - to a potentially life-changing or life-ending illness, that's my parental right.
Better to hide your child under the bed forever so they are safe. You are exposing your child "to a potentially life-changing or life-ending illness" every time they set foot outside your home. There are germs everywhere and you can't avoid them.
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Better to hide your child under the bed forever so they are safe. You are exposing your child "to a potentially life-changing or life-ending illness" every time they set foot outside your home. There are germs everywhere and you can't avoid them.
When I'm really sick, I'm just gonna sneeze right in others' faces. After all, there are germs everywhere, and people can't avoid them.
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You will get punched in the face for that.
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A parent who is willing to let his or her kid catch easily preventable diseases and who puts other kids at risk for the same deserves to get punched in the face.
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The human race nearly eradicates diseases that kill children and can be easily spread amongst children
21st Century Americans: “I listen to Joe Rogan and quacks like RFK, Jr.” and reject your proven science
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A parent who is willing to let his or her kid catch easily preventable diseases and who puts other kids at risk for the same deserves to get punched in the face.
But if those other kids are vaccinated, aren't they protected from this easily preventable disease?
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But if those other kids are vaccinated, aren't they protected from this easily preventable disease?
Depends on the disease.
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Better to hide your child under the bed forever so they are safe. You are exposing your child "to a potentially life-changing or life-ending illness" every time they set foot outside your home. There are germs everywhere and you can't avoid them.
This is a bad take and you should feel bad for writing this.
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And this is where the COVID Vax hesitation people lose their plausible deniability from the anti-vax whackos. But using mildly reasonable COVID vaccines concerns as a gateway drug into full on vaccine skepticism. SHEESH.
Not doing a COVID vax for your non-risk factor child? Fine by me. Also opting out of MMR or Polio or Smallpox because you've had "your eyes opened" to vaccines? FOH
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And this is where the COVID Vax hesitation people lose their plausible deniability from the anti-vax whackos. But using mildly reasonable COVID vaccines concerns as a gateway drug into full on vaccine skepticism. SHEESH.
Not doing a COVID vax for your non-risk factor child? Fine by me. Also opting out of MMR or Polio or Smallpox because you've had "your eyes opened" to vaccines? FOH
Freedom shouldn’t include the ability to hurt other people’s lives.
Covid really put Dunning Krueger into overdrive
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https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking/dunning-kruger-effect-probably-not-real
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But if those other kids are vaccinated, aren't they protected from this easily preventable disease?
Stop signs: as long as other people stop at them they should be just fine.
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Stop signs: as long as other people stop at them they should be just fine.
That doesn't even make sense. If my kid is vaccinated with a vaccine that protects him/her from a disease, why should I care if your kid is vaccinated? Your kid is no danger to my vaccinated kid.
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That doesn't even make sense. If my kid is vaccinated with a vaccine that protects him/her from a disease, why should I care if your kid is vaccinated? Your kid is no danger to my vaccinated kid.
As long as I stop at stop signs, why should I care if you barrel through them?
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That doesn't even make sense. If my kid is vaccinated with a vaccine that protects him/her from a disease, why should I care if your kid is vaccinated? Your kid is no danger to my vaccinated kid.
The pro-smallpox and polio faction of Scoop weighs in.
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The pro-smallpox and polio faction of Scoop weighs in.
LOL.
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That doesn't even make sense. If my kid is vaccinated with a vaccine that protects him/her from a disease, why should I care if your kid is vaccinated? Your kid is no danger to my vaccinated kid.
In case you're honestly curious and not just trolling:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/expert-answers/getting-measles-after-vaccination/faq-20125397
It depends on the disease, but vaccines for some diseases such as measles don't provide 100% immunity. According to Mayo, 93% of children who get the first MMR dose are immune to measles and that number increases to 97% after the second dose. So your unvaccinated kid has a 3-7% chance of being a danger to every vaccinated kid they come into contact with. Unvaccinated kids also mess with herd immunity.
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As long as we ban books about life-ending illnesses, all will be OK.
you ignoramus- if you want to compare banning XXX rated books with a bunch of overtly sexual descriptions of sex acts that kindergarten thru 7th/8th grade have access thru a school library with to kill a mocking bird and huck finn, it's no surprise you still pump the faux insurrection fiasco like all the "russian disinformation" horse hockey. you're like the lefty version of the proud boys
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you ignoramus- if you want to compare banning XXX rated books with a bunch of overtly sexual descriptions of sex acts that kindergarten thru 7th/8th grade have access thru a school library with to kill a mocking bird and huck finn, it's no surprise you still pump the faux insurrection fiasco like all the "russian disinformation" horse hockey. you're like the lefty version of the proud boys
Banning books is bad. You're probably fine with burning them too, though.
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you ignoramus- if you want to compare banning XXX rated books with a bunch of overtly sexual descriptions of sex acts that kindergarten thru 7th/8th grade have access thru a school library with to kill a mocking bird and huck finn, it's no surprise you still pump the faux insurrection fiasco like all the "russian disinformation" horse hockey. you're like the lefty version of the proud boys
9.5 out of 10
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you ignoramus- if you want to compare banning XXX rated books with a bunch of overtly sexual descriptions of sex acts that kindergarten thru 7th/8th grade have access thru a school library with to kill a mocking bird and huck finn, it's no surprise you still pump the faux insurrection fiasco like all the "russian disinformation" horse hockey. you're like the lefty version of the proud boys
Unk shouldn't have shorted you a half-point for that beautiful blend of ignorance and adherence to your cult.
But yes, we need fewer books and more guns.
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Unk shouldn't have shorted you a half-point for that beautiful blend of ignorance and adherence to your cult.
But yes, we need fewer books and more guns.
No ellipses
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This isn't 'nam, 82, there are rules.
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In case you're honestly curious and not just trolling:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/expert-answers/getting-measles-after-vaccination/faq-20125397
It depends on the disease, but vaccines for some diseases such as measles don't provide 100% immunity. According to Mayo, 93% of children who get the first MMR dose are immune to measles and that number increases to 97% after the second dose. So your unvaccinated kid has a 3-7% chance of being a danger to every vaccinated kid they come into contact with. Unvaccinated kids also mess with herd immunity.
Yep, yep.
Diseases like smallpox, rinderpest and polio have been eradicated or greatly diminished because of the herd immunity created by mass vaccination. The attitude "if my kid is vaccinated, why should I care about anyone else" runs counter to that.
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Many of the "all life matters" people don't care about your kids. Some don't even seem to care about their own kids.
Proven life-saving vaccines bad! Guns, guns and more guns good! Freedom!!!!!!
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you ignoramus- if you want to compare banning XXX rated books with a bunch of overtly sexual descriptions of sex acts that kindergarten thru 7th/8th grade have access thru a school library with to kill a mocking bird and huck finn, it's no surprise you still pump the faux insurrection fiasco like all the "russian disinformation" horse hockey. you're like the lefty version of the proud boys
Well, at least it has been upgraded to a fiasco from a "thingy" and a "disturbance".
Here is a picture of the faux insurrection, though it was probably made with AI by false flag FBI agents and/or Antifa:
(https://images2.imgbox.com/62/d3/jUFX72Pb_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/jUFX72Pb)
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roQQet's in an especially good mood today - his Fuhrer is using the word "vermin" to describe his political enemies ... just as Hitler did a century ago about his enemies, the Jews.
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https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking/dunning-kruger-effect-probably-not-real
Missed the point but sure
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That shingles shot is much more painful than any COVID shot. Day 7 and can still feel it.
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That shingles shot is much more painful than any COVID shot. Day 7 and can still feel it.
Was the the first or second shingles shot?
The second shot had me up all night with the a chill and shakes. It's the only vaccine I ever had a wicked reaction to. Snikes!
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First
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I got the shingles vaccines last year, and I'm glad I did.
My dad had shingles, and it was the worst 6 weeks of his life. He was in constant pain, and there were lingering effects for months. Like y'all I had some adverse side effects from the shots, but they passed soon enough.
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The shingles shot is a crapshoot. Obviously people have varying reactions, and I was worried when I got them.
Instead, neither shot was a big deal, maybe 24 hours of being lethargic.
That's a benefit to eating Arby's, your body adjusts to varying poisons.
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I have gotten every shot and every booster. Flu, COVID, tetanus, the hepatitis alphabet, etc. This is the first that ever resulted in more than day of injection site and muscle pain. Well, that is what this one had, too, just lasted for a week.
I will say that getting a flu shot as you are developing strep throat is a bad combination.
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I got the shingles vaccines last year, and I'm glad I did.
My dad had shingles, and it was the worst 6 weeks of his life. He was in constant pain, and there were lingering effects for months. Like y'all I had some adverse side effects from the shots, but they passed soon enough.
+1, Shingles is a living nightmare. Searing pain when anything touched my skin even a tshirt. I still have scars on my skin where I was affected.
I'm really happy that there's a vaccine for it, and good on you all for going to get the vaccine. Nobody should have to experience that.
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That shingles shot is much more painful than any COVID shot. Day 7 and can still feel it.
Man up and don't be a hairy, wet, cat, hey?
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A day after my first shingrix I developed hives. Only shot I’ve ever reacted to. So no second shot, per my doctor. He hopes I have some protection as I had a mild case of shingles back in the 80’s, plus I had the old vaccine before Shingrix.
With Covid shots the only reaction I’be had to any was soreness at the injection site.
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Good vax protocol is excellent sleep in the proceeding 3-5 days as well as subsequent 3-5 days
Jump on NSAIDs immediately following vax and continue for 48-72 hours.
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Good vax protocol is excellent sleep in the proceeding 3-5 days as well as subsequent 3-5 days
Jump on NSAIDs immediately following vax and continue for 48-72 hours.
I slept my ass off in the subsequent 1-2 days after the 2nd shingles shot, so there's that.
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I slept my ass off in the subsequent 1-2 days after the 2nd shingles shot, so there's that.
If you get shingles, use roofing sealant to combat. 4 out of 5 dentists agree that ingesting roofing sealant is the number one way to fight shingles
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I got the shingles vaccines last year, and I'm glad I did.
My dad had shingles, and it was the worst 6 weeks of his life. He was in constant pain, and there were lingering effects for months. Like y'all I had some adverse side effects from the shots, but they passed soon enough.
I figure 1-2 days of suffering is much better than 6 weeks!
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I figure 1-2 days of suffering is much better than 6 weeks!
Google ocular shingles and you'll not complain one bit about the vaccine.
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Vaccines are poison. Better to get shingles, smallpox, measels, mumps, Covid, etc.
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COVID-19 hospitalizations jump in Milwaukee County by over 50% in last week, county official says
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/health/2023/11/27/covid-19-hospitalizations-jump-in-milwaukee-county-after-thanksgiving/71718667007/?utm_source=jsonline-dailybriefing-strada&utm_medium=email&***redacted***&utm_campaign=dailybriefing-greeting&utm_term=newsletter-greeting&utm_content=pmjs-milwaukee-nletter65
COVID-19 hospitalizations in Milwaukee County have jumped over the last week to levels not seen since last winter, according to a Milwaukee County health official.
Across Wisconsin, hospitalizations for COVID-19 have been rising since July. In the week starting Nov. 14, the number of Wisconsin hospital patients with COVID-19 increased sharply, by more than a third, according to the latest available data from the Wisconsin Hospital Association Information Center.
On Nov. 21, about 359 people were hospitalized with COVID-19 in Wisconsin, compared to about 263 a week before, on Nov. 14, according to the hospital association's data dashboard.
New data posted online Monday by Dr. Ben Weston, Milwaukee County's chief health policy adviser, shows that about 99 people in Milwaukee County were hospitalized with COVID-19 on Monday, a more than 50% jump from a week ago. That would be the most people hospitalized with COVID-19 since early February, according to county data.
In a follow-up interview, Weston clarified that the increase in hospitalizations was unlikely to have been caused by infections caught on Thanksgiving or over the weekend, as it usually takes about a week to two weeks for infections to become severe enough to require hospitalization. Still, he said the jump in hospitalizations was concerning.
"This is certainly a pretty major jump to get up to 99," he said.
He encouraged people to reach out to family and friends, especially those 65 and older, to urge them to get the latest, updated version of the COVID-19 vaccine, which was designed to target the specific strains of COVID-19 in circulation this year and to boost immune responses that may have waned since people's last vaccination or infection.
Federal and local health officials have been calling on people since the beginning of the fall respiratory season to get up-to-date on their vaccines, in the hopes of minimizing disease and deaths from COVID-19 and other respiratory viruses.
"We do expect the COVID, flu and RSV (respiratory syncytial virus) circulation to increase as we get deeper into fall and into winter," said Mandy Cohen, director of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in a call with reporters earlier this month. "Right now is the time to get vaccinated."
The updated COVID-19 vaccines — made by Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech and Novavax — offer the most protection to elderly people and others at high risk for severe infection from COVID-19, public health officials have said.
Fewer than 29% of Milwaukee County residents ages 65 and older have received the updated COVID-19 vaccine, which became available in September, according to data from the Wisconsin Department of Health Services.
The updated vaccines are also beneficial to younger, healthy people, who can still become severely ill, even without underlying conditions, or who can develop long COVID symptoms, even after a mild infection.
"There’s really compelling data showing that those who are vaccinated are less likely to develop long-COVID," said Paul Friedrichs, director of the White House Office of Pandemic Preparedness and Response Policy, during a call with reporters earlier this month. "We’ve still got many Americans across the country dealing with long-term consequences even if they had a mild infection."
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RIP to the olds. Not my problem.
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Apparently hydroxychloroquine may have done more harm than good, according to a French study.
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Apparently hydroxychloroquine may have done more harm than good, according to a French study.
Finally, the studies have, whoops
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https://x.com/sciam/status/1743225324119392377?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
Several new studies reveal that getting multiple COVID vaccine doses provides strong protection against lingering symptoms
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Apparently hydroxychloroquine may have done more harm than good, according to a French study.
Finally, the study that roqqet has been waiting for.
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Purely empirical, but I’ve heard a lot about the new variant and how brutal it’s been for people.
I brought it back from Singapore right before Christmas. Unfortunately gave it to my wife and our 15 month old. Neither of us have gotten any boosters since the first one. Both our symptoms were fairly mild, basically a bad cold. I cleared it in 3 days, she took a bit longer, but that’s been the case most of the other times we got COVID. I don’t know the expected efficacy of the vaccines going out years but I can’t help but think it helped.
My son was congested and waffled between lethargic and his normal toddler exuberant energy, often within hours of each other. So thankfully it wasn’t bad. He got croup right before Thanksgiving and it was 10x worse.
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Daughter spent Christmas with her future in laws in SC. Future sister in law was sick, didn't get tested, predictable results. Both of the future parent in laws went to the hospital but are now home. Fiancé, allergic to the vaccine, got it, and went back to work today after 8 days. Daughter, booster in the fall, has managed to avoid it.
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Neither of us have gotten any boosters since the first one.
Glad everyone's ok. And I know I shouldn't focus on sentences like this, but curious why not? I've never gotten many non-required vaccines, but have stayed up with all the covid updates. Even added the flu vaccine this year - a first in many years for me. Partly since I was already there, and also because I would feel bad if I passed the flu onto someone older in my life. But I mean, Kelce also told me I should do both...
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He got croup right before Thanksgiving and it was 10x worse.
Wife and i were "reminiscing" over the holidays about battles with croup. Rotating between sitting in the steamy bathroom to cold night air. Will never forget that cough.
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Glad everyone's ok. And I know I shouldn't focus on sentences like this, but curious why not? I've never gotten many non-required vaccines, but have stayed up with all the covid updates. Even added the flu vaccine this year - a first in many years for me. Partly since I was already there, and also because I would feel bad if I passed the flu onto someone older in my life. But I mean, Kelce also told me I should do both...
Nothing philosophical or profound. Both our GP and a cardiologist, who is a long time family friend, said given our ages, health, and previous experiences with our respective COVID infections (and given we were vaxxed and initial boosted) it was totally up to us and wouldn't strongly recommend either way. If it popped up at another visit, we may have opted in, but didn't go out of our way to do so. We both have gotten flu vaccines for the last 5-6 years, so that hasn't changed.
Interestingly enough, and obviously completely empirically, my COVID experiences each time Ive gotten it, since I got the booster, were very much the same as my peers who had gotten all boosters.
Given my regular travel to Asia and how that seems to be sort of "start point" for many of the variants, I'll stay open minded and lean on my medical providers advice as we go along, but I'm not hurrying to get boosters whenver they are released, but obviously YMMV. I will say I'm far more diligent about vitamins (Zinc, Vit C, B12, etc...) than I used to be and Ive reintroduced more cardio to my workout regiment whereas I was predominantly resistance training since my mid 20s, sort of as a way to buffer against stuff as well.
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Wife and i were "reminiscing" over the holidays about battles with croup. Rotating between sitting in the steamy bathroom to cold night air. Will never forget that cough.
What was interesting for me was going through it here in Florida, in a warm climate. Both my wife and I had our childhood experiences with croup on Long Island and in Wisconsin, respectively. So sitting in the garage or in a doorway to get that cold air relief. Well there is no option when its 65-70 degrees even at night...and a 15 month old isn't gonna let you put his head in the freezer for a bit for relief ;D
But yea, I don't think any parent who goes through it will ever forget it.
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Nothing philosophical or profound. Both our GP and a cardiologist, who is a long time family friend, said given our ages, health, and previous experiences with our respective COVID infections (and given we were vaxxed and initial boosted) it was totally up to us and wouldn't strongly recommend either way. If it popped up at another visit, we may have opted in, but didn't go out of our way to do so. We both have gotten flu vaccines for the last 5-6 years, so that hasn't changed.
Interestingly enough, and obviously completely empirically, my COVID experiences each time Ive gotten it, since I got the booster, were very much the same as my peers who had gotten all boosters.
Given my regular travel to Asia and how that seems to be sort of "start point" for many of the variants, I'll stay open minded and lean on my medical providers advice as we go along, but I'm not hurrying to get boosters whenver they are released, but obviously YMMV. I will say I'm far more diligent about vitamins (Zinc, Vit C, B12, etc...) than I used to be and Ive reintroduced more cardio to my workout regiment whereas I was predominantly resistance training since my mid 20s, sort of as a way to buffer against stuff as well.
And I do hope you're bringing horse de-wormer with you wherever you go, just in case.
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Nothing philosophical or profound. Both our GP and a cardiologist, who is a long time family friend, said given our ages, health, and previous experiences with our respective COVID infections (and given we were vaxxed and initial boosted) it was totally up to us and wouldn't strongly recommend either way. If it popped up at another visit, we may have opted in, but didn't go out of our way to do so. We both have gotten flu vaccines for the last 5-6 years, so that hasn't changed.
Interestingly enough, and obviously completely empirically, my COVID experiences each time Ive gotten it, since I got the booster, were very much the same as my peers who had gotten all boosters.
Given my regular travel to Asia and how that seems to be sort of "start point" for many of the variants, I'll stay open minded and lean on my medical providers advice as we go along, but I'm not hurrying to get boosters whenver they are released, but obviously YMMV. I will say I'm far more diligent about vitamins (Zinc, Vit C, B12, etc...) than I used to be and Ive reintroduced more cardio to my workout regiment whereas I was predominantly resistance training since my mid 20s, sort of as a way to buffer against stuff as well.
Same advice from my GP. Don't rush to get boosters, just get them when you have time and you're getting your flu vaccine.
And same, I'm trying to get my body to a place that I'm healthy for the 2nd half of my life. It's the least I could do for myself after drinking so hard for all these years.
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COVID-19 (then commonly referred to as "the coronavirus") was declared a global pandemic 4 years ago today.
Millions have died, and a surprisingly large number of people - mostly unvaccinated - have continued to die from Covid and/or related effects.
From the NYT: Consider that about 95 percent of recent Covid-related hospitalizations in the U.S. have occurred among people who had not received an updated vaccine. This chart, based on data from Washington State, helps show the protective power of vaccines, especially for the elderly:
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To this day, more than 30 percent of self-identified Republicans have not received a Covid vaccine shot, compared with less than 10 percent of Democrats. You can see the tragic effects of vaccine skepticism in this chart, which compares the death rates in red and blue counties:
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https://www.bbc.com/news/health-68477735 (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-68477735)
And some people are afraid of a single jab. 62 year old man gets 217 covid vaccines since they were released, no ill effects. Never got COVID.
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Finally, the study that roqqet has been waiting for.
Truly the 1/10 dentists who don't approve