MU +8

[brewcity77]

I'm still in shock that I've seen multiple people who seemed to think Bucky would press and zone us because it worked for OSU. I mean, in the 20ish years of the Ryan/Gard era, they never press or zone against quality opponents. They are probably one of the most rigid defensive structures in terms of adhering to man. It's hard to take anyone seriously that puts Bucky & zone in the same sentence without a "never" mixed in.

[The Sultan]

And for good reason.  Defense wasn't Bucky's problem last night.  Too many turnovers and flat out missed shots is what did them in.  Bucky isn't going to change up their defense.  As you said brew, this is how they play.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

System coaches are great...but they do have a weakness. They rarely deviate from their system, even if their opponent as an obvious weakness that could be exploited.

It was bad against OK State, but I'm not sure zone will always flummox us the way it did on Tuesday. It's a young season, they can grow and I'm sure the coaching staff is anticipating that a lot of opponents will throw more zone at us given the OK State tape.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

This aged well.

Nice catch!

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I'm still in shock that I've seen multiple people who seemed to think Bucky would press and zone us because it worked for OSU. I mean, in the 20ish years of the Ryan/Gard era, they never press or zone against quality opponents. They are probably one of the most rigid defensive structures in terms of adhering to man. It's hard to take anyone seriously that puts Bucky & zone in the same sentence without a "never" mixed in.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10867-wisconsin-ohio-state-badgers-defense-key-in-victory

https://www.wiscnews.com/sports/college/basketball/men/video-greg-gard-on-the-badgers-use-of-zone-defense/youtube_8a4505a0-ada9-5248-9ce2-c7ce7ebef268.html

Uhhh huhhh

[Uncle Rico]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10867-wisconsin-ohio-state-badgers-defense-key-in-victory

https://www.wiscnews.com/sports/college/basketball/men/video-greg-gard-on-the-badgers-use-of-zone-defense/youtube_8a4505a0-ada9-5248-9ce2-c7ce7ebef268.html

Uhhh huhhh

Wow.  Proof Wojo is a better coach than Greg Gard

[Dr. Blackheart]

You call 2 points a blow out? Pssh

Well, I blew out my ACL jumping off the couch on the Lewis tip, does that count?

[brewcity77]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10867-wisconsin-ohio-state-badgers-defense-key-in-victory

https://www.wiscnews.com/sports/college/basketball/men/video-greg-gard-on-the-badgers-use-of-zone-defense/youtube_8a4505a0-ada9-5248-9ce2-c7ce7ebef268.html

Uhhh huhhh

The first article is 12 years old and doesn't refer to the Badgers using press or zone but it being used against them: "An aggressive 2-2-1 press and active zone defense confused the Badgers and forced several turnovers and bad shots."

The second video clip is from an interview talking about how they experimented with it once 4 years ago against sub-300 Chicago State.

You might want to try paying attention to the "evidence" you post before actually using it defend your bad takes.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I'm not sure which is more ridiculous.......the rigidity/stubbornness of Greg Gard or you Brewschitty or Bruschetta.  Asking 5+ seniors to play basic zone is not a difficult task, especially against a team that was murdered by it the other night.   Stupidity loses games.  That was evident last night.  Wisconsin had issues with MU's size and a zone could have helped negate that.  Some people don't understand how basketball works I see.  Let the pro Wojoers eat up another overrated win against a team that was overranked.   It always happens early in the season.  Of course, they don't understand the X's and O's and see the game in great detail. 

[brewcity77]

I'm not sure which is more ridiculous.......the rigidity/stubbornness of Greg Gard or you Brewschitty or Bruschetta.  Asking 5+ seniors to play basic zone is not a difficult task, especially against a team that was murdered by it the other night.   Stupidity loses games.  That was evident last night.  Wisconsin had issues with MU's size and a zone could have helped negate that.  Some people don't understand how basketball works I see.  Let the pro Wojoers eat up another overrated win against a team that was overranked.   It always happens early in the season.  Of course, they don't understand the X's and O's and see the game in great detail.

To the former, anyone that pays remote attention to college basketball knows Wisconsin doesn't play zone. That was just a bad take.

To the latter, if you think I'm pro-Wojo, you haven't been paying attention this week or the past year.

[PGsHeroes32]

I'm not sure which is more ridiculous.......the rigidity/stubbornness of Greg Gard or you Brewschitty or Bruschetta.  Asking 5+ seniors to play basic zone is not a difficult task, especially against a team that was murdered by it the other night.   Stupidity loses games.  That was evident last night.  Wisconsin had issues with MU's size and a zone could have helped negate that.  Some people don't understand how basketball works I see.  Let the pro Wojoers eat up another overrated win against a team that was overranked.   It always happens early in the season.  Of course, they don't understand the X's and O's and see the game in great detail.

LOL. He's right. You are wrong.


Wisconsin isn't going to play zone. They simply are not going to do it. We all know it(aside from you apparently), our whole team knew it, their whole team knew it, the rest of CBB knew it. They don't do it.

Myself and a few others even said it in the Ok state game when the meltdown was occuring. "At least Bucky isn't going to zone us".

Its the Wisconsin way and they don't deviate from it. Unfortunately for us, most of the time their style leads to them having really good seasons.

If there was one thing Gard could be questioned on its the fact he sat 3 senior vets with 2 fouls in the first half. Didn't trust any of them to not pick up a 3rd.

[jesmu84]

I'm not sure which is more ridiculous.......the rigidity/stubbornness of Greg Gard or you Brewschitty or Bruschetta.  Asking 5+ seniors to play basic zone is not a difficult task, especially against a team that was murdered by it the other night.   Stupidity loses games.  That was evident last night.  Wisconsin had issues with MU's size and a zone could have helped negate that.  Some people don't understand how basketball works I see.  Let the pro Wojoers eat up another overrated win against a team that was overranked.   It always happens early in the season.  Of course, they don't understand the X's and O's and see the game in great detail.

Lol. Attack a guy who pointed out why your sources/evidence wasn't in support of your initial point

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The first article is 12 years old and doesn't refer to the Badgers using press or zone but it being used against them: "An aggressive 2-2-1 press and active zone defense confused the Badgers and forced several turnovers and bad shots."

The second video clip is from an interview talking about how they experimented with it once 4 years ago against sub-300 Chicago State.

You might want to try paying attention to the "evidence" you post before actually using it defend your bad takes.

I always wonder when this happens if the poster just didn't read the articles beyond the headlines or if they did read the article and just hoped that no one else would read them.

[The Sultan]

I always wonder when this happens if the poster just didn't read the articles beyond the headlines or if they did read the article and just hoped that no one else would read them.

The poster in question is usually so laughably wrong, that I think he's just a troll.  Or he just doesn't know what he's talking about.

Either way, he should just be ignored.

[MU82]

I'm not sure which is more ridiculous.......the rigidity/stubbornness of Greg Gard or you Brewschitty or Bruschetta.  Asking 5+ seniors to play basic zone is not a difficult task, especially against a team that was murdered by it the other night.   Stupidity loses games.  That was evident last night.  Wisconsin had issues with MU's size and a zone could have helped negate that.  Some people don't understand how basketball works I see.  Let the pro Wojoers eat up another overrated win against a team that was overranked.   It always happens early in the season.  Of course, they don't understand the X's and O's and see the game in great detail.

For once, just admit you were wrong. It's really not that hard to do.

You were wrong about your initial certainty about what would happen in the game. You were wrong about what was in the articles you posted as "proof." And you were wrong in your criticism of brew.

Be an effen man and admit it.

[Lighthouse 84]

The poster in question is usually so laughably wrong, that I think he's just a troll.  Or he just doesn't know what he's talking about.

Either way, he should just be ignored.

Or (c) All of the above. I go with C.

[brewcity77]

I always wonder when this happens if the poster just didn't read the articles beyond the headlines or if they did read the article and just hoped that no one else would read them.

If anything, those reinforce what I wrote. Press & zone aren't a tactic they use, it's a tactic they are frustrated by. And when they do bust out zone, it's against one of the worst opponents in the country. Kind of funny.

[drewm88]

Knowing how Bucky plays, I'm still surprised they didn't try it given how atrocious we looked against it Tuesday. Do it once out of a TO or end of half, see what happens, go from there.

Akin to a hitter facing a shift all season without even attempting to go the other way.

[tower912]

What happens when Syracuse tries to play man?   What happens when any team tries to play 180 degrees away from their normal tendencies?   A slow team plays fast, fast team plays slow?    Wisconsin was not going to do the opposite of their tendencies for one game.