General College Basketball Thread 2020-2021

[Galway Eagle]

I believe in 2014 Marquette was considered the 13th best program in college hoops history.  We have fallen into the  Mariana Trench with no chance of coming up for air any time soon.  Very depressing and totally inexcusable.  It's important to reiterate this regularly, get our act together, and surge back as quickly as possible.  Expectations should be sky high for this program.

You believe wrong. ESPN did a 50 Best for 50years in August 2012 and we were number 17, and that's a list that ignored the fact that the first 40yrs of MUBB were pretty much trash except for 2-3 seasons where there was still no postseason. Maybe we moved up to 16 (Nova) with the elite 8 the following year but I doubt it. Either way in 2014 we certainly were not the 13 best program all time.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8298598/conference-breakdowns-50-50-rankings

[MU82]

Fun stuff: Boeheim says Duke is better without Jalen Johnson; Bilas says that's ridiculous; Boeheim tells Biden he don't know sh!t!

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article249443675.html?ac_cid=DM391653&ac_bid=-464970492

While Jay Bilas and Jim Boeheim have known each other for decades, it's not stopping them from sniping at one another over Duke and Jalen Johnson.

After Duke beat Boeheim's Syracuse Orange 85-71 on Monday night for the Blue Devils' fourth consecutive win, Boeheim reiterated the point he made last week that Duke is better since Johnson left to team to focus on NBA Draft preparation.

They are way better than they were," Boeheim said during his post-game news conference on Zoom. "Jay Bilas knows something about basketball? I know more than he knows. I said they are better. They are better. Period. I'm not bringing anybody else into the equation. It has nothing to do with any other player, here or not. I saw they were better against N.C State and Wake, Virginia and tonight. They played really good tonight."

The back-and-forth between Bilas, the former Duke player and assistant coach who is now an ESPN basketball analyst, started last week when Boeheim, on his Syracuse basketball coaches show in New York, said Johnson had been holding the Blue Devils back.

"That guy was hurting them so they actually are much better now without him," Boeheim said on Thursday night. "He was just doing some things and keeping other people from playing that are good."

Bilas, in appearances on ESPN Saturday both before and during his coverage of Duke's 66-65 win over Virginia, disagreed.

"The idea that somehow they're better without Jalen Johnson is patently false," Bilas said.

[Silent Verbal]

Just two super humble guys having a disagreement, though Duke *does* seem to better without Johnson, so maybe there's something to what Boeheim said.  And Bilas is grand poobah of the Wojo-loving slurpers, so he's got that going for him.

[MUBBau]

Fun stuff: Boeheim says Duke is better without Jalen Johnson; Bilas says that's ridiculous; Boeheim tells Biden he don't know sh!t!

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article249443675.html?ac_cid=DM391653&ac_bid=-464970492

While Jay Bilas and Jim Boeheim have known each other for decades, it's not stopping them from sniping at one another over Duke and Jalen Johnson.

After Duke beat Boeheim's Syracuse Orange 85-71 on Monday night for the Blue Devils' fourth consecutive win, Boeheim reiterated the point he made last week that Duke is better since Johnson left to team to focus on NBA Draft preparation.

They are way better than they were," Boeheim said during his post-game news conference on Zoom. "Jay Bilas knows something about basketball? I know more than he knows. I said they are better. They are better. Period. I'm not bringing anybody else into the equation. It has nothing to do with any other player, here or not. I saw they were better against N.C State and Wake, Virginia and tonight. They played really good tonight."

The back-and-forth between Bilas, the former Duke player and assistant coach who is now an ESPN basketball analyst, started last week when Boeheim, on his Syracuse basketball coaches show in New York, said Johnson had been holding the Blue Devils back.

"That guy was hurting them so they actually are much better now without him," Boeheim said on Thursday night. "He was just doing some things and keeping other people from playing that are good."

Bilas, in appearances on ESPN Saturday both before and during his coverage of Duke's 66-65 win over Virginia, disagreed.

"The idea that somehow they're better without Jalen Johnson is patently false," Bilas said.

What did he have to say on the situation?

[Billy Hoyle]

Just two super humble guys having a disagreement, though Duke *does* seem to better without Johnson, so maybe there's something to what Boeheim said.  And Bilas is grand poobah of the Wojo-loving slurpers, so he's got that going for him.

6-0 without Johnson and Duke is back in the tourney field. I'd say Boeheim was right.

[MU82]

Addition by subtraction isn't as common as some think, but it DOES happen, and the evidence certainly would suggest it's happening in this case.

[cheebs09]

Addition by subtraction isn't as common as some think, but it DOES happen, and the evidence certainly would suggest it's happening in this case.

I'd be curious about his advance stats. Even a guy like Markus who was ball-dominant, was very efficient. If Johnson used a lot of possessions, but was pretty inefficient, I could see Duke being better without him. The typical Duke player is pretty talented.

If I remember, Ellenson was high usage but not incredibly efficient. Especially with his poor 3 Pt shooting.

[Uncle Rico]

About Duke and Jalen Johnson:

A young team that had no practice time early, time lost on top of that to Covid could theoretically get better as they get more practice time and cohesion.

The ACC is hot trash.

Jalen Johnson could have been a problem for whatever reason or was overrated or a bad fit.

All of these things can be true

[oldwarrior81]

Johnson put up decent numbers at Duke.  52% fg, 44% from 3 on limited attempts.  Team's leading rebounder, but had his share of turnovers.

I don't think he reacted well to Coach K bringing him off the bench.   I've seen Johnson at #6 in a NBA mock draft.   I'm guessing he felt he deserved more than the 8 minutes he got in his final game.

[GooooMarquette]

Is Hauser the younger injured or just in Izzo's doghouse? Just turned on the MSU–Illinois game, and he is not on the court down the stretch. The box score shows he has only played 11 minutes, with about four to go.

Never mind. Izzo just put him in when one of MSU's players got ejected for a flagrant two. Must've been a doghouse thing.

[tower912]

Have you not been paying attention?

[Galway Eagle]

Is Hauser the younger injured or just in Izzo's doghouse? Just turned on the MSU–Illinois game, and he is not on the court down the stretch. The box score shows he has only played 11 minutes, with about four to go.

Never mind. Izzo just put him in when one of MSU's players got ejected for a flagrant two. Must've been a doghouse thing.

Loving the treatment he's getting. I'm unsure whether he's happier and if he is good for him but he has to at least cringe a bit when he realizes that maybe it wasn't entirely Wojo and Markus and just him being a bit immature and sensitive 

[GooooMarquette]

Have you not been paying attention?

Unfortunately, I have not kept up with the Hausermania thread.

Could someone write a letter to get me caught up?

[CountryRoads]

Still a ways to go, but a massive upset brewing in the Baylor/Iowa State game.

[MuggsyB]

Still a ways to go, but a massive upset brewing in the Baylor/Iowa State game.

This would be a total shocker.  Iowa St. has been horrible.

[PGsHeroes32]

Baylors got it.

[Billy Hoyle]

This would be a total shocker.  Iowa St. has been horrible.

COVID rust is real

[CountryRoads]

ISU fans breathe a sigh of relief. Prohm likely getting canned.

[wadesworld]

Garza getting exposed by Dickinson. Michigan is playing the best basketball of anyone in the country right now.

[MuggsyB]

Garza getting exposed by Dickinson. Michigan is playing the best basketball of anyone in the country right now.

Michigan is no joke.  I don't see any weaknesses on that team. 

[Billy Hoyle]

Probably the final nail in Little Ricky Pitino's coffin last night. Of course, Beilein's name being tossed around in Gopherland.

[GooooMarquette]

Probably the final nail in Little Ricky Pitino's coffin last night. Of course, Beilein's name being tossed around in Gopherland.

It has been a strange year for the Gophers. Early in the conference season they had impressive wins over Iowa, MSU, tOSU, and Michigan. Suddenly, they are losing to mid or lower-tier B1G teams.

Ricky to Marquette?

[MU82]

If only Beilein could be cloned. Then maybe a couple hundred schools could hire him.

Of course ... would have to clone the kid too.

[tower912]

But then everyone would play the same and that would be boring.

[MU82]

But then everyone would play the same and that would be boring.

You're failing to grasp the genius that is Beilein. He would coach all 200 teams differently, but successfully. The NCAA tournament would be expanded to 200 teams just to have all of them represented.