General College Basketball Thread 2020-2021

[MU82]

Say what you will about Wojo but he's never thrown the players under the bus like K has

K has the credibility, and the rings.

But yes, he can be a real pr!ck. "It's not on me, it's on you. I gave you everything you needed to win." That's weak.

Maybe he was upset because there was no student reporter he could scream at.

[MuggsyB]

"I didn't think we competed. I thought we were soft. I saw it in practice yesterday and tried to take steps to change that. We were not able to change it. I'm really disappointed in our team."

-- K, after Duke's loss to Miami.

He's extremely unlikable.

[MU82]

To be fair, TTU is well known as a tenacious and well coached defensive team, so it kind of makes sense for their brand.  I'd expect the same from someone like UVA too.

FWIW, Brad Underwood DID foul up 3 as Illinois beat Indiana tonight, and it worked perfectly.

Wojo DIDN'T foul up 3 and it could have bit him on the butt, as Butler's best 3-point shooter was open, but the shooter missed.

I think that most of the time I wouldn't foul, but I'm not in the heat of the moment so I'm not 100% certain what I would actually do.

As a middle-school coach, I know I'm sure as heck not fouling in that situation!

[Mr. Nielsen]

Doctors say heart condition that led to Keyontae Johnson's collapse isn't COVID-related.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/gatorswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/03/keyontae-johnson-collapse-heart-condition-not-covid-related-florida/amp/

[JWags85]

#5 undefeated Houston loses to ECU. A team that averages 67 points a game and 30% from 3 shoots 46% from deep and puts up 82 on one of the better defensive teams in the country. Wild.

ECU hadn't beaten a ranked opponent since that awful loss Marquette had there in 02-03. Talk about a mediocre program

[wadesworld]

Doctors say heart condition that led to Keyontae Johnson's collapse isn't COVID-related.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/gatorswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/03/keyontae-johnson-collapse-heart-condition-not-covid-related-florida/amp/

I don't know if this is good or bad news for him. From what I read when they thought it did have to do with myocarditis from covid, it sounded like he could come back in a few months. Does this mean he has a different heart condition? Maybe like a cardiomyopathy that is more common in athletes? And seems more serious in terms of being able to return to high level athletics?

[GooooMarquette]

I don't know if this is good or bad news for him. From what I read when they thought it did have to do with myocarditis from covid, it sounded like he could come back in a few months. Does this mean he has a different heart condition? Maybe like a cardiomyopathy that is more common in athletes? And seems more serious in terms of being able to return to high level athletics?

It's hard to say if this will be career-ending without knowing the cause. Acute myocarditis caused by viral illnesses (Covid or otherwise) often resolves as the patient recovers from the virus. But it can also be caused by illnesses like Lupus, which have a more progressive  long-term course.

[wadesworld]

It's hard to say if this will be career-ending without knowing the cause. Acute myocarditis caused by viral illnesses (Covid or otherwise) often resolves as the patient recovers from the virus. But it can also be caused by illnesses like Lupus, which have a more progressive  long-term course.

Got it, thanks. I'd be terrified to return to athletics if I collapsed. A guy I play pickup basketball with collapsed and we had to shock him twice with an AED to get him to come to. He had open heart surgery and was back playing basketball a little under a year later. I'm not sure I'd have the courage to go back to that.

[Lennys Tap]

Say what you will about Wojo but he's never thrown the players under the bus like K has

Really? Didn't he take the team's MU gear away from the team and make them practice in plain white tshirts? And didn't he do it loudly and publicly?

[Galway Eagle]

Really? Didn't he take the team's MU gear away from the team and make them practice in plain white tshirts? And didn't he do it loudly and publicly?

That's what you're standing on? I heard he also yelled at them for turnovers too! By your logic any coaching maneuver that becomes public gimmick or not is throwing the kids under the buss. Was buzz throwing the kids under the bus for not being conditioned for boot camp?

These aren't comparable situations and you know it. Wojo has repeatedly said "it's on me" "don't go after my guys" "I need to get better"

[tower912]

He opened up every starting position two weeks after beating #1 Villanova and said every starting position would be won by who practiced the hardest.     Heldt began starting over Luke.    JjJ had a DNP/CD.

[Lennys Tap]

That's what you're standing on? I heard he also yelled at them for turnovers too! By your logic any coaching maneuver that becomes public gimmick or not is throwing the kids under the buss. Was buzz throwing the kids under the bus for not being conditioned for boot camp?

These aren't comparable situations and you know it. Wojo has repeatedly said "it's on me" "don't go after my guys" "I need to get better"

Galway

You said Wojo never threw his players under the bus. I brought up a situation where he did. I didn't say he did it because he's an ass%ole or a bad guy. He was trying to motivate his team. And yes, Buzz did it at times, too. Almost all coaches do.

[GooooMarquette]

Got it, thanks. I'd be terrified to return to athletics if I collapsed. A guy I play pickup basketball with collapsed and we had to shock him twice with an AED to get him to come to. He had open heart surgery and was back playing basketball a little under a year later. I'm not sure I'd have the courage to go back to that.

Agreed. Even with the green light from my doctors, I think I would always wonder.

[Galway Eagle]

Galway

You said Wojo never threw his players under the bus. I brought up a situation where he did. I didn't say he did it because he's an ass%ole or a bad guy. He was trying to motivate his team. And yes, Buzz did it at times, too. Almost all coaches do.

Ok since were splitting very minor hairs and you couldn't understand what I was talking about in the context of Coach K (his mentor) then let me be clear "he doesn't throw the players under the bus directly to the media the way coach K has. That's coach K meaning the Duke coach not  knight or any other K named coach."

[brewcity77]

#5 undefeated Houston loses to ECU. A team that averages 67 points a game and 30% from 3 shoots 46% from deep and puts up 82 on one of the better defensive teams in the country. Wild.

ECU hadn't beaten a ranked opponent since that awful loss Marquette had there in 02-03. Talk about a mediocre program

Picking a nit, but Houston lost to Tulsa earlier this year. But definitely a crazy result.

[Lennys Tap]

Ok since were splitting very minor hairs and you couldn't understand what I was talking about in the context of Coach K (his mentor) then let me be clear "he doesn't throw the players under the bus directly to the media the way coach K has. That's coach K meaning the Duke coach not  knight or any other K named coach."

I don't follow K's public pronouncements on his own team (or on anything else, for that matter). If your point was that he routinely throws his players under the bus I'll take your word for it. And that would set him apart from, say, Wojo or Buzz, who only do it on occasion. But that's not how I read what you posted. Sorry.

[JWags85]

Picking a nit, but Houston lost to Tulsa earlier this year. But definitely a crazy result.

You're correct. The sports app hadn't updated their record when I looked back at the box score

[MU82]

With Pitt beating Va Tech and St. John's beating Nova, each of the Champaignie twins had a double-double in an upset win. Pretty cool.

[MuggsyB]

Would you take Gonzaga and Baylor vs the field?  It seems to me there is a significant drop after these two teams. 

[Lennys Tap]

Would you take Gonzaga and Baylor vs the field?  It seems to me there is a significant drop after these two teams.

Those are usually sucker bets but this is an odd year. I think I would.

[MU82]

Those are usually sucker bets but this is an odd year. I think I would.

Me too. I love Baylor's toughness, and the way they impose their will on their opponents. And the Zags can flat-out score (and play).

[MuggsyB]

It truly is a crazy year.  I think both teams have not played a game this year that was really in doubt. 

[PGsHeroes32]

Would you take Gonzaga and Baylor vs the field?  It seems to me there is a significant drop after these two teams.

100%.

Its obviously not a lock that one of these 2 wins. But its the legit smart bet this year.

[withoutbias]

Does Timme think that facial hair is funny? Cute?

[GooooMarquette]

Would you take Gonzaga and Baylor vs the field?  It seems to me there is a significant drop after these two teams.

I don't think I would. I still remember in 2003 when Dickie V was furious that Kentucky and Arizona wouldn't meet in the national championship game. A lot of experts seemed to agree that those two teams (particularly Kentucky) were a cut above the rest.