2020-21 NFL Season

[CreightonWarrior]

Favre thinks the comments were in the moment and nothing to worry about.

[MU82]

Belichick was holding him back.

This made me chuckle, but ...

As a head coach, Belichick has never been to a Super Bowl without Tom Brady as his QB ... but Tom Brady has been to a Super Bowl without Belichick as his coach.

[JWags85]

I mean, he was pretty dang good in the first half (and first possession of the second half) in getting them an 18 point lead.

He threw a single 8 yard TD pass    And then was 2-6 for 15 yards and 2 picks his next 2 possessions. He was good in the first half, but if the Packers did ANYTHING in the second half, he would single handed my have given the game away (shrug)

[BM1090]

Rodgers will not finish his career in Green Bay, his contact and the drafting of Love guarantee it. Pay no attention to him having three years left on his contract. There's a 0.0% chance he plays year 2023 on that current deal.

If, big if, he wanted out for the 2021 season, the Packers wouldn't do anything until after June 1st. Time will heal whatever perceived wounds exist, the Packers can make moves in the draft and free agency to help address any perceived roster issues.

After 2021 is when things were always going to get interesting. Rodgers carries a modest dead cap number in 2022, and your now in an odd position with Love where you've lost two years to help decide on the looming fifth year option. This was always eventually going to be an issue they were going to have to deal with.

I agree with this if Love has a good preseason and is showing that he may be able to be the guy. If he sucks or they have doubts, they aren't going to force Rodgers out. They could trade Love next year for peanuts, draft another QB early in 2022 and move on from Rodgers after 2023.

They could also restructure the contract if they desire.

[Dish]

I agree with this if Love has a good preseason and is showing that he may be able to be the guy. If he sucks or they have doubts, they aren't going to force Rodgers out. They could trade Love next year for peanuts, draft another QB early in 2022 and move on from Rodgers after 2023.

They could also restructure the contract if they desire.

Probably the path of least resistance would be for Green Bay to approach Rodgers about ripping up his current deal and negotiate new paper. He will never play in 2023 in GB under his current deal, there's no chance.

He'd probably (rightfully) ask for $40 M AAV. It'd probably be 4 years on paper, but in reality a two year deal, and push the cap consequences into Love's fifth year option. They can manipulate the signing bonus to create needed cap space for 2021. They'll pay the piper from '23-'24.

I could see that happening in the end here.

[wadesworld]

He threw a single 8 yard TD pass    And then was 2-6 for 15 yards and 2 picks his next 2 possessions. He was good in the first half, but if the Packers did ANYTHING in the second half, he would single handed my have given the game away (shrug)

And if Rodgers would've thrown an 8 yard touchdown pass the Packers might have gone to the Super Bowl. He was great in the first half and bad in the second half and he's on his way to his 10th Super Bowl.

[The Sultan]

Probably the path of least resistance would be for Green Bay to approach Rodgers about ripping up his current deal and negotiate new paper. He will never play in 2023 in GB under his current deal, there's no chance.

He'd probably (rightfully) ask for $40 M AAV. It'd probably be 4 years on paper, but in reality a two year deal, and push the cap consequences into Love's fifth year option. They can manipulate the signing bonus to create needed cap space for 2021. They'll pay the piper from '23-'24.

I could see that happening in the end here.

Yeah there was an article written by Rob Demovsky today that basically said that an option could be the Packers recommitting to Rodgers by guaranteeing more of his money and even trading Love as a fire sale.

[MU82]

From Mike Sando, The Athletic's NFL writer:

It was impossible finding anyone in the league who thought LaFleur was correct in trying the field goal on fourth-and-goal from the 8-yard line with 2:09 remaining, the Packers possessing all three timeouts and Tampa Bay leading 31-23.

Sando also said he thinks Rodgers will be a Packer next season but that anything is possible after that.

[cheebs09]

From Mike Sando, The Athletic's NFL writer:

It was impossible finding anyone in the league who thought LaFleur was correct in trying the field goal on fourth-and-goal from the 8-yard line with 2:09 remaining, the Packers possessing all three timeouts and Tampa Bay leading 31-23.

Sando also said he thinks Rodgers will be a Packer next season but that anything is possible after that.

Interesting. I did see somewhere that it did raise our win chance from 25% to 27.5%. Not sure if that's accurate.
Mi would have been interested to see what it would have been if it was 4th and Goal from the 3. I think giving Rodgers the option to run knowing there was another down would have helped.

You also could have gotten a penalty on the 4th down play. Granted, with the way the game was being called, that was unlikely. Well, except for one play.

[Hards Alumni]

Favre thinks the comments were in the moment and nothing to worry about.

That is a red flag for me, because if there is one thing I know about Brett Favre is that he is famously wrong about almost everything.

[The Sultan]

Interesting. I did see somewhere that it did raise our win chance from 25% to 27.5%. Not sure if that's accurate.

The stats I saw said that it went from 9% to 10% by going for it.  However if they succeeded in going for it, they had a 24% chance of winning versus 9% with made FG. Had they failed going for it, their chances of winning were only 4% if they missed, but 4 v. 9 isn't that much of a difference.

The leap to 24% on the upside, versus little downside risk, is why going for it makes sense.

[hairy worthen]

Yeah there was an article written by Rob Demovsky today that basically said that an option could be the Packers recommitting to Rodgers by guaranteeing more of his money and even trading Love as a fire sale.

Trading Love now would be stupid, no need. Rodgers will be 38 he could go down at any time.

[wadesworld]

LeFleur has about (generously) 1/2 the weapons that Mac had to work with and made an offense that is much better than Mac's offenses were towards the end of his time in Green Bay.  The Packers defense would've needed a stop even if they got a touchdown and a two point conversion.  With the two minute warning and all 3 timeouts left, having given up 10 second half points, 7 of which came after the offense turned the ball over and gave it to the Bucs in a first and goal situation on their first drive of the second half, it gives you a chance to win the game rather than needing to convert a 4th and 8, then a 2 point conversion, then get a stop, then win the game in overtime.

The problem came when the Packers couldn't move the ball off of turnovers that were keeping them in the game.

[MU82]

The stats I saw said that it went from 9% to 10% by going for it.  However if they succeeded in going for it, they had a 24% chance of winning versus 9% with made FG. Had they failed going for it, their chances of winning were only 4% if they missed, but 4 v. 9 isn't that much of a difference.

The leap to 24% on the upside, versus little downside risk, is why going for it makes sense.

Interesting numbers.

Several times in the game, it seemed LaFleur was playing not to lose. Kicking that FG stood out, of course, because it was at the end of the game. But LaFleur's horrendous clock management at the end of the first half was even more egregious to me.

The way he treated that situation and the way Arians treated it were so night-and-day that it was almost comical. One guy played not to lose and kitten-footed around even wanting to let his HOF QB set up a FG attempt; the other went for the jugular and let his HOF QB throw a TD bomb. It ended up resulting in at least a 10-point swing. Ballgame!

[The Sultan]

So Rodgers' words look like they were overblown

https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1354144683455348737?s=20

[cheebs09]

So Rodgers' words look like they were overblown

https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1354144683455348737?s=20

Much ado about nothing. But I do think Rodgers knew how those comments would be taken. I think he's a little more like Favre than we'd probably think.l in regards to getting a little enjoyment out of throwing comments like that out.

[The Sultan]

Much ado about nothing. But I do think Rodgers knew how those comments would be taken. I think he's a little more like Favre than we'd probably think.l in regards to getting a little enjoyment out of throwing comments like that out.

Undoubtedly.  And it plays on fan's insecurities too.

[The Sultan]

Packers fired their special teams guy.

[CreightonWarrior]

Packers fired their special teams guy.

I didn't realize until reading this sorry that Pettine's contract is also expiring and has not been extended yet.

[Jockey]

Packers fired their special teams guy.

You mean I won't get to say "the worst special teams" ad nauseum?

[HutchwasClutch]

I didn't realize until reading this sorry that Pettine's contract is also expiring and has not been extended yet.

They'd be crazy to bring him back and I don't think they will.  His fate was sealed on end of first half TD. 

[Jockey]

Much ado about nothing. But I do think Rodgers knew how those comments would be taken. I think he's a little more like Favre than we'd probably think.l in regards to getting a little enjoyment out of throwing comments like that out.

100%

But I think what Rodgers is demanding is some clarity on his future. What are GB's plans for JLove? He has certainly earned that right. Also, he may want his contract re-worked as proof of that. Right now, he is in the same salary bracket as Wentz and Goff. It is not unreasonable to expect to be paid like Watson or Mahomes.

Reworking the contract could also give some salary relief - as well as setting his future with the team.

[Jockey]

They'd be crazy to bring him back and I don't think they will.  His fate was sealed on end of first half TD.

Please. Please.

[HutchwasClutch]

Packers fired their special teams guy.

Needed to do it. One of worst in NFL.

Please let the replacement be someone whose coordinated good NFL ST units before.  They've sucked forever in this area because they always hire guys with  zero track record leading their own NFL unit. Time to stop on the job learning. 

[HutchwasClutch]

Please. Please.

Are you advocating keeping Pettine?