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The Future of Basketball
« on: September 09, 2020, 04:46:33 PM »
The NBA leads, College and High School follows.

Or ... Markus Howard is the future, not an abberation.

NBA playoff success has never been so dependent on 3s
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29839123/nba-playoff-success-never-dependent-3s

For the first time in NBA history, 3-point shooters are outscoring paint scorers. Coming into Tuesday's games, playoff scorers had yielded 4,602 points via 3s and 4,512 points in the paint. This fact is more than just trivia. It reveals that games are being won and lost far away from the rim -- and that represents a paradigm shift in pro basketball.

https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1303678019735891969?s=20

https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1303678018037133313?s=20

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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2020, 05:04:46 PM »
Markus Howard isn't the future because the league is getting bigger at the guard position, not smaller. 

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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2020, 05:20:11 PM »
The NBA leads, College and High School follows.

Or ... Markus Howard is the future, not an abberation.

NBA playoff success has never been so dependent on 3s
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29839123/nba-playoff-success-never-dependent-3s

For the first time in NBA history, 3-point shooters are outscoring paint scorers. Coming into Tuesday's games, playoff scorers had yielded 4,602 points via 3s and 4,512 points in the paint. This fact is more than just trivia. It reveals that games are being won and lost far away from the rim -- and that represents a paradigm shift in pro basketball.

https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1303678019735891969?s=20

https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1303678018037133313?s=20

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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2020, 06:13:12 PM »
10 ft rims.
15 ft foul line.
94 ft long. 
Three point minutely adjusting.
Occasional adjustment to shot clock.
Defensive rules changed to either help or hinder offense.
Big rewarded
Fast rewarded.
Good shooting rewarded
The combo is best.
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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2020, 06:16:25 PM »
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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2020, 07:02:15 PM »
of all field goal attempts in the NBA this past season, 38.4% were threes.

In 2015, threes made up 26.8% of all attempts.  Over a 50% increase in three attempts.
The percent made is pretty much unchanged over the past 15 years.  This year threes were made at 35.8%.  Over 15 years, the low was 34.9% in 2012, the high 36.7% in 2009.

One number that really has changed is the convert rate of 2 point attempts.  From 48.5% in 2015 to a record 52.4% this season.  Back in 2004 the make rate was 46%

For every 100 threes shot (@ 35.8%) the resulting points would be 107.4.   For every 100 twos shot (@ 52.4%) the resulting points would be 104.8.

What I think we're seeing is obviously the increase in number of threes shot, but at the expense of long/bad twos.

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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2020, 07:09:44 PM »
Markus Howard isn't the future because the league is getting bigger at the guard position, not smaller.




Howard can't check Herro, hey?
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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2020, 07:43:25 PM »



Howard can't check Herro, hey?

Kind of hard to in the G league or overseas.

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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2020, 09:47:01 PM »
Perfect—in this corner...Deane’s glasses hating EVERYTHING that has to do with MUBB.....
And in this corner.....Doc hating all things Wojo and under the belief that Herro was minutes from coming to MU and lighting it up......but Coach Wojo told him to F off!
This is great.

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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2020, 06:39:52 AM »
Perfect—in this corner...Deane’s glasses hating EVERYTHING that has to do with MUBB.....
And in this corner.....Doc hating all things Wojo and under the belief that Herro was minutes from coming to MU and lighting it up......but Coach Wojo told him to F off!
This is great.

That sums it up nicely.  Well done.

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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2020, 07:08:17 AM »
Postseason 3s

2013-14: 44.6 3s per game | 27.9% of total shots
2014-15: 51.1 | 30.2%
2015-16: 51.5 | 31.0%
2016-17: 58.2 | 34.8%
2017-18: 59.8 | 35.5%
2018-19: 65.9 | 37.9%
2019-20: 74.8 | 43.4%

The 3-point revolution isn't slowing down or even plateauing. It's ramping up and reforming conventional wisdom at breakneck speed. Is this even the same sport?

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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2020, 07:23:24 AM »
Postseason 3s

2013-14: 44.6 3s per game | 27.9% of total shots
2014-15: 51.1 | 30.2%
2015-16: 51.5 | 31.0%
2016-17: 58.2 | 34.8%
2017-18: 59.8 | 35.5%
2018-19: 65.9 | 37.9%
2019-20: 74.8 | 43.4%

The 3-point revolution isn't slowing down or even plateauing. It's ramping up and reforming conventional wisdom at breakneck speed. Is this even the same sport?

All sports change and evolve.!!
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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2020, 07:24:20 AM »
Perfect—in this corner...Deane’s glasses hating EVERYTHING that has to do with MUBB.....
And in this corner.....Doc hating all things Wojo and under the belief that Herro was minutes from coming to MU and lighting it up......but Coach Wojo told him to F off!
This is great.

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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2020, 08:33:58 AM »
All sports change and evolve.!!

Yes, but is this a good or bad evolution?  Does this long range game make it more or less watchable?

If more, should the NBA add a 30 or 35 foot four-point line?  If you like the long-range game ... go big!

If less, should the NBA move the three-point line back about 3 to 5 feet to get back to the mid-range/inside game?


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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2020, 09:21:08 AM »
Look, there is no better endorsement of what Marquette is trying to do than to have Markus Howard sticking with an NBA team. He is one of the greats of our program and he continues to distinguish himself.

That said, I have my doubts. I trust I am wrong, but Mr. Howard's size will be a detriment. People have overcome it but it's a major obstacle. There aren't many Mugsy Bouges in the league anymore.

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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2020, 09:23:59 AM »
Yes, but is this a good or bad evolution?  Does this long range game make it more or less watchable?

If more, should the NBA add a 30 or 35 foot four-point line?  If you like the long-range game ... go big!

If less, should the NBA move the three-point line back about 3 to 5 feet to get back to the mid-range/inside game?

There will be some innovation to take the game back inside
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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2020, 09:39:52 AM »
There will be some innovation to take the game back inside


I'm not sure innovation is the right word.  Math is math, and as long as players can hit the 3 pointer at a reasonable clip, it's going to win the EFG argument.

What would change it are rules changes.  Lengthen the three point line.  Grow the under the basket arc bigger to make charging fouls harder. 

Other than that, I don't see how the game can innovate to allow two pointers to become more efficient than threes.
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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2020, 10:27:22 AM »
You can extend the three-point arc as far back as you want, but unless you want to eliminate the corner altogether, there will always be the corner three that can't get any further back than it is.

As far as re-emphasizing two-point shots, I don't think the problem is lack of shots 'around the hoop,' I think it's lack of midrange shots. I don't see how increasing the arc or enforcing charging fouls more will encourage more 15-footers, and I honestly don't know what will....

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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2020, 11:09:54 AM »
We are dancing around the main question ... do you think the NBA encourage a return of the inside/mid-range game?

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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2020, 11:36:09 AM »
We are dancing around the main question ... do you think the NBA encourage a return of the inside/mid-range game?


Doubtful.  I think they like the higher scoring, shoot from anywhere version of the NBA. 
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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2020, 11:42:45 AM »

Doubtful.  I think they like the higher scoring, shoot from anywhere version of the NBA.
I agree with them.  IMO the current version of the game is much more entertaining than a post-oriented back to the basket style. 

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2020, 12:06:08 PM »
I think there is a lot of nostalgia for how the game was played in the 90s, fueled in part by the Jordan series from earlier this summer, but by and large the NBA of that time was pretty difficult to watch.  I don't need to see basketball like the Knicks and Pistons played make a comeback. 
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Re: The Future of Basketball
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2020, 12:40:32 PM »
Kind of a side note, but I wonder if this will eventually change the way we look at stats as well. Scoring 30 in a 92-89 game is a higher percentage of your team's points than scoring 30 in a 122-119 game.
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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2020, 12:41:18 PM »
I think there is a lot of nostalgia for how the game was played in the 90s, fueled in part by the Jordan series from earlier this summer, but by and large the NBA of that time was pretty difficult to watch.  I don't need to see basketball like the Knicks and Pistons played make a comeback.
Doesn't that make Jordan's accomplishments more impressive? I know that's not your point, but the man was great.

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2020, 12:49:53 PM »
I think there is a lot of nostalgia for how the game was played in the 90s, fueled in part by the Jordan series from earlier this summer, but by and large the NBA of that time was pretty difficult to watch.  I don't need to see basketball like the Knicks and Pistons played make a comeback.

I think that was likely the deepest talent of "all time greats" between Bird, Johnson and Isaiah Thomas toward the end of their careers, guys like Shaq and Duncan beginning theirs and all the dream team guys peaking, not to mention guys like Reggie Miller or Hakeem who were unreal but not even a part of that immortal squad and that's why people dream for those days again. But by and large you're right though it was better than the early 2000s iso ball and head cases all over that was truly painful to watch.
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