MU 8th over 5 years?

[mu_hilltopper]

https://twitter.com/CapX15/status/1277818014625337345

Tonight on the @EyeOnCBBPodcast @MattNorlander
ranked the Big East teams in order of their probability of success over the next 5 years.

MU a bottom feeding 8th.. brutal.  Can't say I disagree though.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

But year one, empty cupboard, too young, pesky quitters, wait until next year - well not actually next year because young.

[Tha Hound]

https://twitter.com/CapX15/status/1277818014625337345

Tonight on the @EyeOnCBBPodcast @MattNorlander
ranked the Big East teams in order of their probability of success over the next 5 years.

MU a bottom feeding 8th.. brutal.  Can't say I disagree though.

Gee I wonder if they put MU GU and SJ at the bottom to draw more clicks....nah couldn't be, they wouldn't do that.

[Shooter McGavin]

Yikes, but completely subjective BS.  Minus Villanova this list could literally be reversed after five years.

[tower912]

Ouch.

[Heisenberg]

These types of surveys are laughably useless. 

They are nowcasting.  Their protection for the next five years is based on what they did in the last five games.

Why do you think the Hall is 3rd ... Myles Powell will not be there.

[mu_hilltopper]

That's all well and good .. make your own list.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Saw a tweet also today that said Norlander predicted Wojo fired in 5 years and Parish predicted Wojo either at Marquette or Duke in 5 Years.

[zcg2013]

I did listen to the podcast. Norlander admitted 6-8 were a tossup (as did Parrish who put us at 6). They also said 2-5 was a tossup.

Essentially they believe in Nova and after that who knows.

[The Lens]

You could see a world where the Top 8 could make the NCAAs most years.  Still would like to be 4 or 5 though.  It's a strong conference.

[Uncle Rico]

I did listen to the podcast. Norlander admitted 6-8 were a tossup (as did Parrish who put us at 6). They also said 2-5 was a tossup.

Essentially they believe in Nova and after that who knows.

There has been too much coaching turnover in the league the last 5 years.  Xavier, St. John's, Butler and Georgetown have broken in new coaches.  Xavier and Butler went with their usual approaches.  It's working at Butler, Xavier is still an open question.

On top of that, roster turnover across the league beyond graduation has been harmful.  Villanova has lost its share of players but most have been to early entry.  Marquette's inability to get older across the board has hurt them.  It's part of the business but it's still harmful.

That's why 2-8 are fairly fluid.  It's also why I think Butler and Providence have been fairly consistent while not being spectacular.  For someone to challenge Villanova's supremacy, coaching and roster stability is necessary.  Is it possible?

[The Equalizer]

Is the American really that much of a stronger league? UConn only managed 6th, 5th, 8th, 9th, and 5th place finishes over the last five years, but are projected to rank 2nd in the Big East over the next five years?

[Galway Eagle]

Damn. Depressing. I'd have us at 6 or 7 though sadly

[oldwarrior81]

this will enrage both of the DePaul fans

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Other than Nova on top and DePaul on bottom, I'm not sure what evidence this list is based on. MU's 2020 class is top in the conference. You would think current FR class ratings would at least play a role.

[Herman Cain]

U Conn brand and Hurley name carries some weight in media circles I guess. So I dispute the notion being offered that they will be 2nd. X under Mack was clearly number 2. X under Steele has been getting talent but Steele needs to get more experience as a Head Coach. So I don't think there is a clear number 2 in the league. The Hall has some momentum under Willard, but their fortunes seem to be tied to one star player and I don't see any on the horizon but I guess it is always possible. I would give Creighton a better shot at being the clear number 2 in the league  over the next five years if I had to wager a guess. 

I don't see MU at the bottom of the league over the next 5 years.

MU has been consistently filling out recruiting classes with bona fide Big East starters or contributors ,with a handful of All Big East types every few recruiting classes. That level of talent will generally put any program in the upper half of the league.   

[GooooMarquette]

Saw a tweet also today that said Norlander predicted Wojo fired in 5 years and Parish predicted Wojo either at Marquette or Duke in 5 Years.

So either unceremoniously dumped or promoted to one of the most prestigious jobs in the country.

Could be. Or maybe somewhere in between....

[brewcity77]

While the recruiting class is a nice feather in the cap, this will be the third time in the last six years Wojo has had the top recruiting class in the Big East. Hard to equate success to a #1 recruiting class when the previous #1 recruiting classes accounted for zero Big East titles, zero Big East tournament titles, and zero NCAA wins. I would love to see these guys get results, but it's not like the world lit on fire the last times this happened (and that was back-to-back #1 in the league classes).

[dad's couch]

8th huh. That sucks because these things are always right.

[Lennys Tap]

Look on the bright side. Lot easier to meet or beat expectations when they're low.

[mu_hilltopper]

Look on the bright side. Lot easier to meet or beat expectations when they're low.

HANG. A. BANNER.

[Galway Eagle]

While the recruiting class is a nice feather in the cap, this will be the third time in the last six years Wojo has had the top recruiting class in the Big East. Hard to equate success to a #1 recruiting class when the previous #1 recruiting classes accounted for zero Big East titles, zero Big East tournament titles, and zero NCAA wins. I would love to see these guys get results, but it's not like the world lit on fire the last times this happened (and that was back-to-back #1 in the league classes).

Would've loved to see those classes grow rather than transfer, declare, and graduate as a little used reserve.

[Eldon]

Look on the bright side. Lot easier to meet or beat expectations when they're low.

Inside scoop:
Wojo is bankrolling these lists and tweets to keep expectations low.

Six years from now:
"When everyone picked us to be 8th, we consistently ended up 6th and 7th in the toughest conference in the country...most years, because of unforeseeable transfers, we were the youngest team in the conference....that speaks volumes about the character of these young men and the value that we instill in them to Win Every Day That We're Expected To."

[panda]

Sure you can say this is baseless, but at the same time, we'll informed National CBB reporters see us as a mid to lower tier BE program. Sad :-(

[brewcity77]

Would've loved to see those classes grow rather than transfer, declare, and graduate as a little used reserve.

I don't disagree, but it shows how recruiting is just a piece of the puzzle. In the four years before Nova won the inaugural NBE, Nova didn't have a single #1 recruiting class. They were 4th three times and 2nd the year they won that first title. With upper-middle of the league recruiting, they built a juggernaut.

Targeting players that fit the system, won't leave when they face adversity, and are a bit better than the rankers project is all part of it. At times, Wojo has captured some of that (Anim) but too often, our recruits have come up short in some regard, whether leaving early (the vast majority of the 2015 class, the Hausers) or having yet to outperform expectations (Cain, John). But identifying, developing, and retaining players is the coach's job, so it's on him.

If we're on average the 8th best team in the league the next five years, Wojo should be gone. Honestly, I even think 4th is too low, but that's about as low as I'd say should be acceptable.