BLM/White Privilege/etc

[jesmu84]

Please do not feed the troll.

[Herman Cain]

And? Your performance art point was "LBJ, then exploited the sympathy of Kennedys death to  created a cynical political  plan"

Now you are stating it was actually a good thing because Republicans voted for it? LOL. I mean, if it was a cynical political plan with the objective of destroying black families, how is a positive that Republicans voted for it?

My reference to LBJ was all the destructive social programs put in. Created a welfare culture that led to the destabilization of our families.

LBJ was a very cynical guy who was extremely corrupt. Had some business dealings with his estate in years past and learned a lot about him and his methods. He definitely got rich off the government.

[Herman Cain]

Did you send your check back from the government that was sent out over Covid?

Did not receive a check from the government. Income was too high.

[Lennys Tap]

Social liberals passed the Civil Rights Act. Social conservatives voted against it. In the 1960s, you could find social liberals and conservatives in both the Democratic and Republican parties. Over time, the two parties became more of unified dichotomy with social and fiscal liberals aligned under the Democratic party and social and fiscal conservatives aligned under the Republican party. Trying to compare the Democrats/Republicans of today 0to the Democrats/Republicans of the 1960s is like trying to compare college basketball now to college basketball in the 1960s. Playing completely different games, eh?

The first Civil Rights Act since 1875 was actually passed in 1957. It was spearheaded by Richard Nixon, who had become friendly with MLK earlier that year. In the Senate, the vote was 72-18 (43-0 Republicans, 29-18 Democrats). In the House the vote was 286-136 (167-19 Republicans, 119-107 Democrats).

Initially (and as a freedom issue) Republicans led the way. As it evolved (and included big government bureaucracies) it move from bipartisan to a Democratic issue. Many of those measures from the 60s have had mixed results. The Democrat's embrace of and the Republican's ultimate rejection of the Great Society resulted in the black community becoming overwhelmingly Democratic.

[rocky_warrior]

MUScoop Management?  Management?  That would imply an organizational structure. 

If there were a MUScoop Intergalactic headquarters it would probably look like this:

[Hards Alumni]

It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?

[Pakuni]

The first Civil Rights Act since 1875 was actually passed in 1957. It was spearheaded by Richard Nixon, who had become friendly with MLK earlier that year. In the Senate, the vote was 72-18 (43-0 Republicans, 29-18 Democrats). In the House the vote was 286-136 (167-19 Republicans, 119-107 Democrats).

Initially (and as a freedom issue) Republicans led the way. As it evolved (and included big government bureaucracies) it move from bipartisan to a Democratic issue. Many of those measures from the 60s have had mixed results. The Democrat's embrace of and the Republican's ultimate rejection of the Great Society resulted in the black community becoming overwhelmingly Democratic.

Those were the standard bearers of the Republican Party 60 years ago.
The standard bearers of the Republican Party today thank "great people" who  shout "white power" and say the citizens of a majority black city aren't "well rounded" or "working class" enough.
Things change. Most of the GOP leaders of the 50s and 60s would be condemned today as RINOs. Heck, tax-raising, amnesty-giving, government-expanding, FDR-loving Ronald Reagan wouldn't win a GOP primary for dog catcher today.

[Billy Hoyle]

Those were the standard bearers of the Republican Party 60 years ago.
The standard bearers of the Republican Party today thank "great people" who  shout "white power" and say the citizens of a majority black city aren't "well rounded" or "working class" enough.
Things change. Most of the GOP leaders of the 50s and 60s would be condemned today as RINOs. Heck, tax-raising, amnesty-giving, government-expanding, FDR-loving Ronald Reagan wouldn't win a GOP primary for dog catcher today.

Shhh, don't say that out loud. Also, don't mention that the biggest opponent of the CRA, Strom Thurmond, left the Democratic Party over the CRA alone and was welcomed with open arms by the GOP.

Ike would be considered a raging liberal today. Interstate system? Sounds pretty socialist to me.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The first Civil Rights Act since 1875 was actually passed in 1957. It was spearheaded by Richard Nixon, who had become friendly with MLK earlier that year. In the Senate, the vote was 72-18 (43-0 Republicans, 29-18 Democrats). In the House the vote was 286-136 (167-19 Republicans, 119-107 Democrats).

Initially (and as a freedom issue) Republicans led the way. As it evolved (and included big government bureaucracies) it move from bipartisan to a Democratic issue. Many of those measures from the 60s have had mixed results. The Democrat's embrace of and the Republican's ultimate rejection of the Great Society resulted in the black community becoming overwhelmingly Democratic.

Absolutely. Back in the 1950s and 60s (and earlier) the Republican party was the more socially liberal of the two parties. The Democrats were the more conservative party on social issues. Over time they evolved and eventually flip flopped on social issues. That's why those who shout out "Republicans freed the slaves" or "A higher % of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act" are correct but missing the point. Social liberals freed the slaves and passed the Civil Rights Act. Today, most social liberals tend to vote for the Democratic party.

Parties will always evolve and change their positions. The definitions of liberal and conservative never change.

[muwarrior69]

And, in the United States as a white person, or a person of a different background but has assimilated or passed as white, you are not enslaved or treated like your ancestors. That's privilege.

I'm not calling you out personally, your response isn't unique and often predictable. This point of view is neither universal nor objective. I get it, we often don't feel privileged, but having a discussion about race/racism rather than experiencing it on a daily basis is privilege.

Right after the bombing of Pearl Harbor the KKK burned a cross in my Grandparents front yard because they were German but worse Catholic. They lived in rural West Virginia. I am Slav on my Dads side and German on Mothers side of the family. We have experienced prejudice as well.

[wadesworld]

Right after the bombing of Pearl Harbor the KKK burned a cross in my Grandparents front yard because they were German but worse Catholic. They lived in rural West Virginia. I am Slav on my Dads side and German on Mothers side of the family. We have experienced prejudice as well.

Which doesn't change the fact that you get treated differently than other people based on your skin color.

[muwarrior69]

Which doesn't change the fact that you get treated differently than other people based on your skin color.

The KKK did not care about skin color of Grandparents.

[The Sultan]

The KKK did not care about skin color of Grandparents.

Right.  That was 70 years ago.  BLM is talking about now.

White priviledge has nothing to do with the past.  It has to do with how you are treated TODAY based on your skin color.

[21Jumpstreet]

Right after the bombing of Pearl Harbor the KKK burned a cross in my Grandparents front yard because they were German but worse Catholic. They lived in rural West Virginia. I am Slav on my Dads side and German on Mothers side of the family. We have experienced prejudice as well.

That is awful, and unacceptable, then and now. I am certainly not trying to diminish what you have gone through or felt.

I would think you or someone like you who has experienced prejudice/racism/racist acts, or their relatives have gone through it, would be the first to step up against it rather than trying to justify it through personal experience. Racist/prejudiced treatment isn't a contest or a time for one upsmanship nor a stick to measure experiences against. It should merely be stopped, for everyone. In today's US it hasn't stopped for black and people of color, but it has stopped for you.

[muwarrior69]

That is awful, and unacceptable, then and now. I am certainly not trying to diminish what you have gone through or felt.

I would think you or someone like you who has experienced prejudice/racism/racist acts, or their relatives have gone through it, would be the first to step up against it rather than trying to justify it through personal experience. Racist/prejudiced treatment isn't a contest or a time for one upsmanship nor a stick to measure experiences against. It should merely be stopped, for everyone. In today's US it hasn't stopped for black and people of color, but it has stopped for you.

I agree it should be stopped for everyone, but as long as black and people of color and people like you believe that people like me are superior and privileged and the only race that can be racist it has not stopped for me or anyone else. The racial divide will only get worse.

[wadesworld]

I agree it should be stopped for everyone, but as long as black and people of color and people like you believe that people like me are superior and privileged and the only race that can be racist it will not stop for me or anyone else.

That's the problem.  People "like you" are not "superior," but they are certainly treated that way in certain areas of life.  Hence, they have "white privilege."  Anybody who does not see that this is the reality of the nation we live in just doesn't have their eyes open.

[Hards Alumni]

I agree it should be stopped for everyone, but as long as black and people of color and people like you believe that people like me are superior and privileged and the only race that can be racist it has not stop for me or anyone else.

We are privileged.  Read through the examples given in this thread why.

No one said you were superior for being white.  I think you may be confusing the two.

[LloydsLegs]

Absolutely. Back in the 1950s and 60s (and earlier) the Republican party was the more socially liberal of the two parties. The Democrats were the more conservative party on social issues. Over time they evolved and eventually flip flopped on social issues. That's why those who shout out "Republicans freed the slaves" or "A higher % of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act" are correct but missing the point. Social liberals freed the slaves and passed the Civil Rights Act. Today, most social liberals tend to vote for the Democratic party.

Parties will always evolve and change their positions. The definitions of liberal and conservative never change.

I know you know this, but "evolved and eventually flipped" is very simplistic. Dixiecrats left Democrats and joined Republicans.  Some northern moderate Republicans became Democrats. I guess what I just wrote is simplistic also.  There are volumes written on this!

[Elonsmusk]

We are privileged.  Read through the examples given in this thread why.

No one said you were superior for being white.  I think you may be confusing the two.

Yes.  White people have "privilege."  As a result there are special business loan programs for women (oddly white women too) and people of color. There are also affirmative action requirements.  Nothing wrong with either of these programs, yet as an employer, when you hire a POC, you are then subject to potential litigation for wrongful termination, discrimination, etc.  Further, when the narrative gets pushed that whites are generally racist, what else is a POC going to think if terminated?

The reality is that generally people hire from within their personal network, or want to hire people who come referred.  It is just the norm that typically a person's personal network is vastly comprised of people of their own ethnicity.  Further there is just an inherent comfort people tend to have with people of their own ethnicity - it's not overt, nor is it racist - it's just a reality.  This is why if you look at Hispanic owned businesses, Black owned businesses the vast majority of their employees are Hispanic, and Black, respectively.  That doesn't make those business owners "racist."  They then are also not subject to being sued for discrimination if they terminate whitey. 

Race is a complex issue in America, yet the end of the day, liberal policy has been the rule of our cities for 60+ years, and things have only gotten worse for the Black community.  Empathy is great, yet it also can enable a victim mindset, which is a surefire formula for defeat.

Lastly, of course Black lives matter.  It is completely dishonest to extrapolate the bad judgement and potential racist underpinnings of a sliver of cops to the whole group.  Further, the BLM movement rings hollow, when they are nowhere to be found trying to solve the problem of Black on Black homicides/gang violence in the inner cities.  Best to get one's own house in order, before trying to blame the neighbors.

[The Sultan]

Yes.  White people have "privilege."  As a result there are special business loan programs for women (oddly white women too) and people of color. There are also affirmative action requirements.  Nothing wrong with either of these programs, yet as an employer, when you hire a POC, you are then subject to potential litigation for wrongful termination, discrimination, etc.  Further, when the narrative gets pushed that whites are generally racist, what else is a POC going to think if terminated?

The reality is that generally people hire from within their personal network, or want to hire people who come referred.  It is just the norm that typically a person's personal network is vastly comprised of people of their own ethnicity.  Further there is just an inherent comfort people tend to have with people of their own ethnicity - it's not overt, nor is it racist - it's just a reality.  This is why if you look at Hispanic owned businesses, Black owned businesses the vast majority of their employees are Hispanic, and Black, respectively.  That doesn't make those business owners "racist."  They then are also not subject to being sued for discrimination if they terminate whitey. 

Race is a complex issue in America, yet the end of the day, liberal policy has been the rule of our cities for 60+ years, and things have only gotten worse for the Black community.  Empathy is great, yet it also can enable a victim mindset, which is a surefire formula for defeat.

Lastly, of course Black lives matter.  It is completely dishonest to extrapolate the bad judgement and potential racist underpinnings of a sliver of cops to the whole group.  Further, the BLM movement rings hollow, when they are nowhere to be found trying to solve the problem of Black on Black homicides/gang violence in the inner cities.  Best to get one's own house in order, before trying to blame the neighbors.

You are the true victim. 

[Herman Cain]

Yes.  White people have "privilege."  As a result there are special business loan programs for women (oddly white women too) and people of color. There are also affirmative action requirements.  Nothing wrong with either of these programs, yet as an employer, when you hire a POC, you are then subject to potential litigation for wrongful termination, discrimination, etc.  Further, when the narrative gets pushed that whites are generally racist, what else is a POC going to think if terminated?

The reality is that generally people hire from within their personal network, or want to hire people who come referred.  It is just the norm that typically a person's personal network is vastly comprised of people of their own ethnicity.  Further there is just an inherent comfort people tend to have with people of their own ethnicity - it's not overt, nor is it racist - it's just a reality.  This is why if you look at Hispanic owned businesses, Black owned businesses the vast majority of their employees are Hispanic, and Black, respectively.  That doesn't make those business owners "racist."  They then are also not subject to being sued for discrimination if they terminate whitey. 

Race is a complex issue in America, yet the end of the day, liberal policy has been the rule of our cities for 60+ years, and things have only gotten worse for the Black community.  Empathy is great, yet it also can enable a victim mindset, which is a surefire formula for defeat.

Lastly, of course Black lives matter.  It is completely dishonest to extrapolate the bad judgement and potential racist underpinnings of a sliver of cops to the whole group.  Further, the BLM movement rings hollow, when they are nowhere to be found trying to solve the problem of Black on Black homicides/gang violence in the inner cities.  Best to get one's own house in order, before trying to blame the neighbors.

I agree with this analysis. 

[Elonsmusk]

You are the true victim.

This is the type of response people make when they cannot factually argue against the stated position.

Thanks for once again illustrating your ignorance.

[21Jumpstreet]

I agree it should be stopped for everyone, but as long as black and people of color and people like you believe that people like me are superior and privileged and the only race that can be racist it has not stopped for me or anyone else. The racial divide will only get worse.

I am glad we agree it should be stopped, and I actually had no doubt that we would. I am only going off the info you shared about yourself and your family, you mentioned you are white. I am not actually telling you that you are privileged, that is for you to figure out. I am only pointing out where privilege exists and that I know I am privileged as a white person. Being privileged isn't a bad thing, and I certainly will not give it up to the detriment of my two teenage sons, for example. But, it is a bad thing when it is disregarded and at worst used to oppress a fellow human. For example, my oldest son is taking the ACT test. For a few extra dollars he can receive his answers, which, I assume, is better for him. So, I paid for it. It has been argued that white people generally make more money than black people (I am using a generalization here, I know that my statement is not absolute). So, it can be argued that a black male who took the ACT may not have the same opportunity to pay for the answers. Will I not pay for them because of my privilege, will this even things out? Absolutely not, I will pay for the answers AND I will work to make sure that the black family can pay for their son's answers, too.

No one said that white people are the only people that can be racist, but we are specifically discussing the treatment of and the system against people of color. The racial divide will continue to get worse if we as white people do not step up and change the treatment of and system against people of color. It is that simple. The racial divide for you might get worse because of the experiences you and your family have had, and if you continue to compare it to the experiences of people of color. So long as you continue to make your experience and their experience a battle of which is worse, it will continue to get worse, no doubt. This isn't about who has it worse, it is about how can we get to a point where we all have it best.

[muwarrior69]

We are privileged.  Read through the examples given in this thread why.

No one said you were superior for being white.  I think you may be confusing the two.

How is that confusing? If I am privileged for being white, then white must be better/superior than being non-white as I am granted special rights, advantages, or immunities granted to me for just being white.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Yes.  White people have "privilege."  As a result there are special business loan programs for women (oddly white women too) and people of color. There are also affirmative action requirements.  Nothing wrong with either of these programs, yet as an employer, when you hire a POC, you are then subject to potential litigation for wrongful termination, discrimination, etc.  Further, when the narrative gets pushed that whites are generally racist, what else is a POC going to think if terminated?

I work in Title VII and Title IX compliance. I get just as many complaints from white people and men claiming that they were fired for their race/sex as I do women and people of color. You are open to litigation no matter who you hire.