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79Warrior

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 21, 2020, 03:57:26 PM
I wish I could say this level of idiocy coming from you is surprising but it's really pretty predictable.

So true. The professional players who get paid can't even agree and this dimwit is fine pushing students out there.

avid1010

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 20, 2020, 03:21:28 AM
It is a sad time we live in. Political zombies, politics and fear have decimated common sense and rational thought, assuming they had any in the first place.
To be clear....Dr. Fauci is a political zombie and you know more than him?  Just checking...

wadesworld

Quote from: avid1010 on June 21, 2020, 07:32:02 PM
To be clear....Dr. Fauci is a political zombie and you know more than him?  Just checking...

He's a fake news snowflake lib. Or something like that.

MUMonster03

One of the things being overlooked in college sports is the need to isolate. European soccer teams were required to isolate for 2 weeks before the season resumed and were tested daily. If one player on the team tests positive the entire team is put back in quarantine for two weeks.  In the 2. Bundesliga Dynamo Dresden had this happen and had to postpone their first three matches, to make up these matches they had to play 3 additional "English weeks", weeks with games in the middle, to make up the games. A team in the Russian Super League had had to use it's youth team since the senior team is currently quarantined. The NBA and NHL are doing similar mandatory isolation periods before they attempt to resume.

How does a college team isolate, the players are still supposed to go to class and intermingle wit the rest of the student body. Many universities have said if no students are on campus then there will be no sports. What would be the point of making the athletes attend "virtual class" if you were not going to allow athletics without students on campus?

brewcity77

Quote from: MUMonster03 on June 22, 2020, 06:37:08 AMOne of the things being overlooked in college sports is the need to isolate.

This is why I'm still pessimistic on a season. Maybe starting after Thanksgiving when the rest of campus goes on winter break, but no one has addressed how college sports will do the things you are suggesting. Pro sports can isolate their players and teams. So can a league like TBT. But when you have to go to class regularly, that's just not a reality.

brewcity77

Quote from: MUMonster03 on June 22, 2020, 06:37:08 AMHow does a college team isolate, the players are still supposed to go to class and intermingle wit the rest of the student body.

TBT just removed a team after players tested positive. If quarantined teams can't stay uninfected, what hope so colleges have?

MU82

Quote from: brewcity77 on June 22, 2020, 07:00:25 AM
This is why I'm still pessimistic on a season. Maybe starting after Thanksgiving when the rest of campus goes on winter break, but no one has addressed how college sports will do the things you are suggesting. Pro sports can isolate their players and teams. So can a league like TBT. But when you have to go to class regularly, that's just not a reality.

When you first said something along these lines a month or two ago, brewski, I was one of the folks who gently pushed back, saying I thought they'd find a way to have a season.

Like you, I am now seriously doubting that it will be possible.

Bill Plaschke has a pretty devastating but realistic look at the situation:

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/jun/20/bill-plaschke-sports-leagues-playing-the-most-dang/
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

I think college football is in serious jeopardy.  The season is supposed to start up in a couple of months, and I can't really see how it is going to work.  How do the players even get together to practice.  You can't keep the players isolated, and you only need a couple rouge players doing something they aren't supposed to and infecting the entire team. 

The NFL can do a better job mandating that the only places players can go is home and the workplace.  It's their job.  That simply can't work with a college football team.

Basketball MAY be possible because you could perhaps isolate the squad apart from the rest of the student body, but I don't even know how that is going to play out. 

It always seems possible that these things are going to come together a few months out, but as you get closer and closer, and it becomes aparent how relentless this virus is and how poorly we have responded to it, you begin to realize how logistically difficult all of this is.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 22, 2020, 01:18:55 PM
I think college football is in serious jeopardy.  The season is supposed to start up in a couple of months, and I can't really see how it is going to work.  How do the players even get together to practice.  You can't keep the players isolated, and you only need a couple rouge players doing something they aren't supposed to and infecting the entire team. 

The NFL can do a better job mandating that the only places players can go is home and the workplace.  It's their job.  That simply can't work with a college football team.

Basketball MAY be possible because you could perhaps isolate the squad apart from the rest of the student body, but I don't even know how that is going to play out. 

It always seems possible that these things are going to come together a few months out, but as you get closer and closer, and it becomes aparent how relentless this virus is and how poorly we have responded to it, you begin to realize how logistically difficult all of this is.

Well, there's a solution to some of the black-and-white issues we're facing in society today. Make 'em all rouge!

Just having some fun, and I agree totally with your point. It doesn't even have to be a couple of rogue players. They are college kids. Asking them to stay in a bubble is totally unrealistic. They could do exactly what they are supposed to do - such as attend class - and end up with the virus.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

4everwarriors

Der won't bee kollege sportz in Fall, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

GrimmReaper33

If there is constant testing for all athletes, there is no way NCAA sports will be played in 2020 or even 2021.  There is simply no way you are going to get to zero positive tests for multiple teams on the schedule throughout the year.  It will be impossible to completely stop the spread. 

The only way that changes is if society/NCAA/schools collectively get to the point that they acknowledge & accept there are going to be positive cases but they're going to play on regardless and just do their best to identify it, contain it, and treat it when necessary.  I don't see the media letting that happen, though.


The Sultan

Quote from: GrimmReaper33 on June 22, 2020, 03:36:33 PM
If there is constant testing for all athletes, there is no way NCAA sports will be played in 2020 or even 2021.  There is simply no way you are going to get to zero positive tests for multiple teams on the schedule throughout the year.  It will be impossible to completely stop the spread. 

The only way that changes is if society/NCAA/schools collectively get to the point that they acknowledge & accept there are going to be positive cases but they're going to play on regardless and just do their best to identify it, contain it, and treat it when necessary.  I don't see the media letting that happen, though.


"The media?"

I get what you are saying about society getting to a certain point, but it there are a lot of public health officials that aren't going to be pleased if we just say "screw it, let's play anyway."  That's going to have an enormous impact on a health care system that won't be able to handle that kind of spread.

Not sure why the media is to blame here.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

BobWildLoyalist

You gotta be extremely ignorant, or flat out dumb, to think college sports will happen without a vaccine or a proven treatment process. The tough guy mentality of stay home or its my choice to go is insanely stupid. Classic cause and effect here. You go, if you get sick, you can spread it on. You're doing society a massive disservice putting your head in the sand.

GooooMarquette

Quote from: brewcity77 on June 22, 2020, 11:15:05 AM
TBT just removed a team after players tested positive. If quarantined teams can't stay uninfected, what hope so colleges have?

Ugh! Not looking good for this fall and winter.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the NBA trying to quarantine in the middle of a hot zone.

GrimmReaper33

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 22, 2020, 03:50:14 PM

"The media?"

I get what you are saying about society getting to a certain point, but it there are a lot of public health officials that aren't going to be pleased if we just say "screw it, let's play anyway."  That's going to have an enormous impact on a health care system that won't be able to handle that kind of spread.

Not sure why the media is to blame here.

Didn't blame the media.  In fact, I would say it's part of their job. 

Was just saying even in a hypothetical situation of NCAA and schools getting on board with just playing, the media would drag them for it every step of the way until they caved and just shut it down.

Mr. Sand-Knit

Quote from: GrimmReaper33 on June 22, 2020, 03:36:33 PM
If there is constant testing for all athletes, there is no way NCAA sports will be played in 2020 or even 2021.  There is simply no way you are going to get to zero positive tests for multiple teams on the schedule throughout the year.  It will be impossible to completely stop the spread. 

The only way that changes is if society/NCAA/schools collectively get to the point that they acknowledge & accept there are going to be positive cases but they're going to play on regardless and just do their best to identify it, contain it, and treat it when necessary.  I don't see the media letting that happen, though.

Yep pretty rational solution.... but then the media gets involved. Media is a kind word for it
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

Jockey

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 22, 2020, 05:09:18 PM
Yep pretty rational solution.... but then the media gets involved. Media is a kind word for it

Follow your leader - blame it on the Media. Such blind allegiance.

Jockey

Quote from: GrimmReaper33 on June 22, 2020, 05:09:00 PM
Didn't blame the media.  In fact, I would say it's part of their job. 

Was just saying even in a hypothetical situation of NCAA and schools getting on board with just playing, the media would drag them for it every step of the way until they caved and just shut it down.

In other words, they would report it. They would do their job.

79Warrior

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 22, 2020, 05:09:18 PM
Yep pretty rational solution.... but then the media gets involved. Media is a kind word for it

Keep your Trump crap somewhere else.

cheebs09

Quote from: Jockey on June 22, 2020, 05:15:13 PM
In other words, they would report it. They would do their job.

I don't think he disagrees with you.

Mr. Sand-Knit

Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

Daniel

Without a bulletproof treatment and/or a vaccine, I cannot see college sports starting up.  Certainly not with a stadium of 17000 people.  How can they?  Tough times.

MUMonster03

Quote from: Daniel on June 23, 2020, 12:25:56 AM
Without a bulletproof treatment and/or a vaccine, I cannot see college sports starting up.  Certainly not with a stadium of 17000 people.  How can they?  Tough times.

Another thing, besides the how do you isolate a football/basketball team and still have them feel like they are in college, is the age of a lot of the basketball coaches. Many of them are in the high risk area and have had health problems already. I'm no expert on any of their health, but a high stress job as a D1 coach and a resurgence, if it ever drops off in the first place, this winter could be a disaster waiting to happen.

GooooMarquette

Quote from: cheebs09 on June 22, 2020, 05:54:26 PM
I don't think he disagrees with you.


I think we all agree that the media would simply be doing its job. And in this case - absent a miracle cure in the next few weeks - the media's job would be to report on the substantial risks involved in proceeding with the season.

Mr. Sand-Knit

Quote from: GooooMarquette on June 23, 2020, 09:26:00 AM

I think we all agree that the media would simply be doing its job. And in this case - absent a miracle cure in the next few weeks - the media's job would be to report on the substantial risks involved in proceeding with the season.

Under the guise of doing this they would also be pushing a liberal left political agenda.  Unfortunately, objectivity has left journalism and they are now at best political machines.  Wben their guy was in power everything was amazing n done perfectly, now that he is not...the opposite.  Its unfortunate for everyone
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

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