If we have a season with no fans....

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

So what you are proposing is people taking responsibility for their own freely chosen actions?  Madness!!!

It is a sad time we live in. Political zombies, politics and fear have decimated common sense and rational thought, assuming they had any in the first place. 

[muwarrior69]

So what you are proposing is people taking responsibility for their own freely chosen actions?  Madness!!!

So here are some basketball players scrimmaging with no masks or social distancing. Is that madness? In the other thread we are all excited to see one of our own players competing well against NBA players. To take it one step further should one of our basketball players be disciplined by the coach for not following the mandated best practices due to the pandemic? Is he taking responsibility for his own actions? On the other hand how could he pass up an opportunity to scrimmage with NBA players? If I were him I would jump at the chance, but I am not him. I'm just a 73 year old fart who wears a mask when I go to the grocery store because I am one those who are at greater risk for serious complications, not some young athletes even if they contract the virus will recover.

https://painttouches.com/2020/06/19/dexter-akanno-shows-out-in-scrimmage-against-nba-players/

[The Sultan]

So what you are proposing is people taking responsibility for their own freely chosen actions?  Madness!!!

I agree with this completely.  Of course "my actions" include the possibility of infecting others even if I am not aware I have the disease.  So the risk isn't just about catching it, it's about spreading it.  That's the problem with this disease and why having fans in the stands is so problematic.

[damuts222]

Those states that are peaking or have remained level, relative to positivity rate, are still in their 1st wave. Majority of them have either "recommended" wearing masks or opened the floodgates in poor reopenings. California, Arizona, Texas, Florida, etc. A mask should be required and now many of them recently are requiring them as of this week. Health experts are being ignored or muted altogether and have made this political..which not everything has to be. For some reason this is hard for some people to grasp in our current climate.

I am not hopeful for any collegiate sports for more than just the pandemic. Collegiate athletes are finally realizing the power they hold as evidenced by UCLA and Texas football players stances and demands. There could be some major changes to college sports as a result.

[tower912]

Watching some EPL right now.  No fans.


'Black lives matter' on the back of all the jerseys.

[wadesworld]

It is a sad time we live in. Political zombies, politics and fear have decimated common sense and rational thought, assuming they had any in the first place.

From Mr. Common Sense himself.

[tower912]

It is a sad time we live in. Political zombies, politics and fear have decimated common sense and rational thought, assuming they had any in the first place.

I suspect we define political zombies, politics, fear, the end of common sense and rational thought differently.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It is a sad time we live in. Political zombies, politics and fear have decimated common sense and rational thought, assuming they had any in the first place.

Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Those states that are peaking or have remained level, relative to positivity rate, are still in their 1st wave. Majority of them have either "recommended" wearing masks or opened the floodgates in poor reopenings. California, Arizona, Texas, Florida, etc. A mask should be required and now many of them recently are requiring them as of this week. Health experts are being ignored or muted altogether and have made this political..which not everything has to be. For some reason this is hard for some people to grasp in our current climate.

I am not hopeful for any collegiate sports for more than just the pandemic. Collegiate athletes are finally realizing the power they hold as evidenced by UCLA and Texas football players stances and demands. There could be some major changes to college sports as a result.

They should stand up and demand the destruction of the billions of dollars of free education provided to them.  Tear down the entire system.  Heck make it like Europe where there are no intercollegiate sports.  Then they can pay their own way thru college and truly make it equitable and remove all privilege.  Here here!

[mileskishnish72]

Reading through this thread just reinforces my profound disappointment with where this country is today. How sad it is that instead of bonding together to fight the virus we have chosen instead to politicize the pandemic. How stupid is that? Perhaps the EU did better because they're not as factional and divided as we are.

[D'Lo Brown]

I just don't see how a season could logistically ever work without at least one solid treatment or preventive option available. And preferably more than one. There is a critical mass of players that can get sick without the whole thing shutting down. Maybe two or three sick at any given time, the season rolls on? How about six or seven, does that suspend all play? How about when they return from suspending play & someone gets sick again, how do they not just shut the whole season down?

We aren't even playing sports right now & we're currently past that critical mass. Let alone playing an indoor sport in the winter that requires significant travel.

I see some sports as fundamentally different. Professional baseball, tennis, golf etc can take extreme measures. College sports can remove fans, but they can't remove travel, contact, etc. College sports also have the custodial aspect moreso than professional sports.

Also, I know UA & others are fiddling with masks for athletes, primarily seems to be for working out as of now (feel free to correct me if you know more). Would student athletes be willing to all wear masks during actual games, if it were possible to develop a satisfactory solution? I assume the mask would likely need to be clear, allow breathability & moisture-wicking, but also a very tight fit. So I'm not even sure if it's physically possible, but, I'm also not an engineer.

[MUeng]

I don't think we'll have the big sports in the fall.  That being NFL, CFB, or basketball.  Seeing that report from the Clemson outbreak, I mean how could we risk it.  No need as this thing still seems very much alive.  Perhaps the steroid treatment could help but need more data.

[MU82]

Bunch o' wimps. Let the players, coaches, support staff and fans come on out and take their COVID like men (and women and children). If a few hundred of 'em die, and tens of thousands of 'em suffer some kind of medical condition that will haunt them for the rest of their lives, that's the price they'll have to pay so the rest of us can be entertained.

[GooooMarquette]

I don't think we'll have the big sports in the fall.  That being NFL, CFB, or basketball.  Seeing that report from the Clemson outbreak, I mean how could we risk it.  No need as this thing still seems very much alive.  Perhaps the steroid treatment could help but need more data.

Agreed, eng. New cases are rising too fast in too many places. The graph showing new cases in the US vs the EU is staggering.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1273973204047069184

[wadesworld]

How could 30 LSU football players be quarantined due to covid? Sandknit, Mr. Informed himself, informed everyone that covid is "waving" from East Coast to West Coast and it's already reached the West Coast. Louisiana isn't getting hit! Fake news media has the defending national champion Tigers spooked.

[79Warrior]

Well, they flattened the curve and followed the science.  We followed the doofus who can't use stairs

And recommends Clorox.

[brewcity77]

So what you are proposing is people taking responsibility for their own freely chosen actions?  Madness!!!

That's not how this works at all. If I "take responsibility" and get infected, then come into work and get you infected, or visit my family and get them infected, then other people are paying the consequence because of my "freely chosen actions."

So it's not actually about people taking responsibility for their own actions at all. They are imposing their actions upon others. Pretty sure that's the opposite of freedom.

[GooooMarquette]

For those talking about the Premier League, below is an interesting article from a reporter on the process of getting in and the feeling inside the stadium. These protections are occurring despite the fact that the case rate in the UK has steadily gone down for for the past several weeks. IMHO, this scenario (no fans, no direct player interaction) is the best case scenario for college and pro football and basketball for the upcoming season...and I remain skeptical about even that.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4117297/inside-the-premier-league-bubble-a-surreal-ghost-town-where-you-have-to-bring-your-own-sandwiches

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

How could 30 LSU football players be quarantined due to covid? Sandknit, Mr. Informed himself, informed everyone that covid is "waving" from East Coast to West Coast and it's already reached the West Coast. Louisiana isn't getting hit! Fake news media has the defending national champion Tigers spooked.

Twisted

[Its DJOver]

For those talking about the Premier League, below is an interesting article from a reporter on the process of getting in and the feeling inside the stadium. These protections are occurring despite the fact that the case rate in the UK has steadily gone down for for the past several weeks. IMHO, this scenario (no fans, no direct player interaction) is the best case scenario for college and pro football and basketball for the upcoming season...and I remain skeptical about even that.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4117297/inside-the-premier-league-bubble-a-surreal-ghost-town-where-you-have-to-bring-your-own-sandwiches

Yea, I think that there are a few key pieces of information that the people that are saying "just look at European soccer" might be omitting.

First; while it is true that some leagues have resumed, there have also been multiple leagues that have said that it isn't safe enough and have cancelled the remainder of their seasons.

Second, they are resuming a season that is about 75% complete.  Just looking at the Premier League, the first games back were only June 17th, and the league concludes on July 18th.  Only having games for 1 month (in the middle of summer no less) is less risky than attempting to have a season from November through March.

Third; while it is uncommon, there is a precedent in the United States for having seasons cancelled (lockouts, strikes etc.).  There hasn't really been a precedent for stopping an in progress European season since WWII.

Fourth; while I'm sure that the $$$ lost is a huge concern for sports across the planet, when there are relegation systems in place, cancelling an in progress season gets just that many more headaches.

I truly hope that there is a College Basketball Season this winter, and I truly hope that our country is in a position where fans can attend.  I just don't think that we will get there in the next 5 months.  I think the best case scenario is that a full season can be completed without fans in attendance.   Would love to be wrong, and be able to safely attend games, but think there is a higher chance that the entire season gets cancelled than an entire season at full capacity.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Wth would we have no fans?? Just stupid.  If u go to the game u assume the risk if ur afraid of the risk dont show up.  Should be the really really simple policy

I wish I could say this level of idiocy coming from you is surprising but it's really pretty predictable.

[muwarrior69]

Yea, I think that there are a few key pieces of information that the people that are saying "just look at European soccer" might be omitting.

First; while it is true that some leagues have resumed, there have also been multiple leagues that have said that it isn't safe enough and have cancelled the remainder of their seasons.

Second, they are resuming a season that is about 75% complete.  Just looking at the Premier League, the first games back were only June 17th, and the league concludes on July 18th.  Only having games for 1 month (in the middle of summer no less) is less risky than attempting to have a season from November through March.

Third; while it is uncommon, there is a precedent in the United States for having seasons cancelled (lockouts, strikes etc.).  There hasn't really been a precedent for stopping an in progress European season since WWII.

Fourth; while I'm sure that the $$$ lost is a huge concern for sports across the planet, when there are relegation systems in place, cancelling an in progress season gets just that many more headaches.

I truly hope that there is a College Basketball Season this winter, and I truly hope that our country is in a position where fans can attend.  I just don't think that we will get there in the next 5 months.  I think the best case scenario is that a full season can be completed without fans in attendance.   Would love to be wrong, and be able to safely attend games, but think there is a higher chance that the entire season gets cancelled than an entire season at full capacity.

The other thing to consider is that futbol players are not in contact or in close proximity to each other for much of the game, unlike basketball or football.

[The Thing]

All I'm gonna say is if they play games without fans DePaul could win it all—they have a lot of experience under those conditions.

[muguru]

All I'm gonna say is if they play games without fans DePaul could win it all—they have a lot of experience under those conditions.

This is absolutely priceless! Well played. 

[WarriorFan]

The article quoted above on espn.com had another below it... with an odd outcome of this coronavirus situation:
https://www.espn.com/soccer/russian-premier-league/story/4116677/how-russian-champions-league-hopefuls-rostov-were-forced-to-send-kids-out-for-10-1-loss