Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?

[tower912]

I thought I read somewhere that George died of a heart attack due to the fentanyl in his system.

If that’s the case, and one juror agrees, prepare for mass riots once Chauvin is found innocent.

Could get interesting

The cause of death was the choking.  A savvy defense attorney will use the presence of anything in the blood stream to try to deflect.   Their job is to get to 'reasonable doubt'.   

[Keithtisbarf]

if they find that brutality was what put unnecessary strain on his body Then he still gets manslaughter right?

I believe so, the independent autopsy showed   Chauvin asphyxiated Floyd.

[4everwarriors]

Shocking, or maybe not, that the ATL shooting hasn't been a topic of discussion here, hey?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Shocking, or maybe not, that the ATL shooting hasn't been a topic of discussion here, hey?

Thought the mods made it pretty clear they didn’t want to talk about the protests.

[4everwarriors]

Didn't see any protests over the firing of a police officer doing his job.

[GooooMarquette]

Didn't see any protests over the firing of a police officer doing his job.

Relinquishing his taser to a suspect, and then shooting said suspect as he ran away with the taser is "doing his job?"

Talk about setting the bar low....

[Pakuni]

Relinquishing his taser to a suspect, and then shooting said suspect as he ran away with the taser is "doing his job?"

Talk about setting the bar low....

Just imagine where else that drunk man might have fallen asleep had he not been shot to death.

[lawdog77]

Just imagine where else that drunk man might have fallen asleep had he not been shot to death.

Or woken up, try to drive home, and crash his car into a group of pedestrians,  or another car.  I think he didnt need to be shot, but he should have been arrested. Couldnt the two sober police officers chase him down?

[reinko]

Didn't see any protests over the firing of a police officer doing his job.

Spoken like man who claims DTJ is the greatest POTUS of his life.

[Pakuni]

Or woken up, try to drive home, and crash his car into a group of pedestrians,  or another car.  I think he didnt need to be shot, but he should have been arrested. Couldnt the two sober police officers chase him down?

Nobody's suggesting he shouldn't have been arrested ... though I'm pretty sure he wasn't going to get back in his car and drive off, given that he was running the opposite direction. My point is there didn't appear to be a need to use lethal force on a man who was running away and not armed with a deadly weapon.

[4everwarriors]

Any y'all see the bodycam video where the subject turned violent and attempted escape after his sobriety test? Or doesn't CNN show that part?Bottom line is you don't run from the police. You won't win that battle. Nice move to use Wendy's for kindling too. After all, its their fault. Next time ya get your boob in the wringer, don't call the defunded police. Call Ghostbusters for help.

[Pakuni]

Any y'all see the bodycam video where the subject turned violent and attempted escape after his sobriety test? Or doesn't CNN show that part?Bottom line is you don't run from the police. You won't win that battle. Nice move to use Wendy's for kindling too. After all, its their fault. Next time ya get your boob in the wringer, don't call the defunded police. Call Ghostbusters for help.

Just saying, running away from police should not be punishable by extrajudicial killing via a bullet to the back. Aina.

[4everwarriors]

Why's he running? Wanted for murder, rape, kidnapping, or drug dealing? Teach your kids not to run from the police. And, why would if you, if have nothing to hide?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Any y'all see the bodycam video where the subject turned violent and attempted escape after his sobriety test? Or doesn't CNN show that part?Bottom line is you don't run from the police. You won't win that battle. Nice move to use Wendy's for kindling too. After all, its their fault. Next time ya get your boob in the wringer, don't call the defunded police. Call Ghostbusters for help.

Wow.  You think it’s justifiable for police to shoot a suspect in the back simply for not following orders?

[Lennys Tap]

DUI, resisting arrest, assaulting a police officer, taking an officer’s taser and fleeing the scene.

But OTOH, they knew who the guy was, where he lived and had his car.

There was a time when no one would have blinked over a cop shooting a guy under these circumstances. That time has passed. And that’s a good thing.

[reinko]

Why's he running? Wanted for murder, rape, kidnapping, or drug dealing? Teach your kids not to run from the police. And, why would if you, if have nothing to hide?

With this logic, just call in a drone strike for everyone who doesn’t pull over from the cops.  And honestly, I think you might actually agree.

[4everwarriors]

Don't resist or run from the police and you'll get your day in court, rather than getting planted on the wrong side of the grass.

[reinko]

Don't resist or run from the police and you'll get your day in court, rather than getting planted on the wrong side of the grass.

I have higher expectations of law enforcement than you.  So every college party of scattering freshman when police show up, your solution is: POP POP POP

[4everwarriors]

With this logic, just call in a drone strike for everyone who doesn’t pull over from the cops.  And honestly, I think you might actually agree.

Might be the default mode of law enforcement going forward. Since, who in their right mind would ever want to be a cop?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

DUI, resisting arrest, assaulting a police officer, taking an officer’s taser and fleeing the scene.

But OTOH, they knew who the guy was, where he lived and had his car.

There was a time when no one would have blinked over a cop shooting a guy under these circumstances. That time has passed. And that’s a good thing.

Yep.

[jesmu84]

Any y'all see the bodycam video where the subject turned violent and attempted escape after his sobriety test? Or doesn't CNN show that part?Bottom line is you don't run from the police. You won't win that battle. Nice move to use Wendy's for kindling too. After all, its their fault. Next time ya get your boob in the wringer, don't call the defunded police. Call Ghostbusters for help.

You need to read more about what define the police really means. Start with changes implemented in Camden

[lawdog77]

Nobody's suggesting he shouldn't have been arrested ... though I'm pretty sure he wasn't going to get back in his car and drive off, given that he was running the opposite direction. My point is there didn't appear to be a need to use lethal force on a man who was running away and not armed with a deadly weapon.

There are law enforcement experts
 on TV stating the police should have allowed him to call an Uber unstead of performing a sobriety test. I thought that is what you were implying.

[brewcity77]

I thought I read somewhere that George died of a heart attack due to the fentanyl in his system.

From a medical perspective, I think that would be a massive, massive uphill climb. Cocaine, you could maybe make the argument, but that's not how fentanyl and other opiates work in the body. You don't die of a heart attack, you die of respiratory arrest. And while it can certainly be argued that Floyd went into respiratory arrest, the fact that he was clearly talking through the events is a strong indicator that the cause of his respiratory arrest was not the drugs (which slows the respiratory drive, leading to agonal respirations and ultimately inadequate oxygenation over the course of minutes to hours) but the knee compressing his neck as he continued to try to talk (impossible in a fentanyl-induced respiratory arrest).

I saw that report and immediately thought whoever filed it had no idea what they were talking about. The idea of a fentanyl-induced heart attack makes no sense. It would be the automotive equivalent of saying the car wouldn't start because of electrical issues with a full battery and empty gas tank.

[GooooMarquette]

Any y'all see the bodycam video where the subject turned violent and attempted escape after his sobriety test? Or doesn't CNN show that part?Bottom line is you don't run from the police. You won't win that battle. Nice move to use Wendy's for kindling too. After all, its their fault. Next time ya get your boob in the wringer, don't call the defunded police. Call Ghostbusters for help.

Nobody is defending his decision to run away from police. We are simply saying that this does not justify killing him. Given that he was drunk and being chased by two (presumably sober) officers, it should not have been very difficult for them to catch and subdue him.

And to your specific question: yeah, CNN showed the part where he was running away and the police shot him in the back. Clearly an “imminent threat.”

[4everwarriors]

He turned and fired the taser gun at pursuing police before being shot. Sorry, but he caused his own demise.