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Author Topic: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?  (Read 12715 times)

panda

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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #75 on: June 14, 2020, 05:54:29 PM »
Don't resist or run from the police and you'll get your day in court, rather than getting planted on the wrong side of the grass.

JuSt LiStEn aNd cOmPlY........

I understand these are just a few videos, but the idea police treat all races the same shows gross ignorance.

https://twitter.com/ShiJeHi24/status/1271995533247148032

https://twitter.com/shijehi24/status/1271996117878595584?s=12

https://twitter.com/camposmartinez1/status/1271922405288677382?s=12

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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #76 on: June 14, 2020, 05:56:00 PM »
He turned and fired the taser gun at pursuing police before being shot. Sorry, but he caused his own demise.

Tasers are specifically used as non-lethal force. Pointing a known non-lethal means of force should not result in lethal reciprocation.
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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #77 on: June 14, 2020, 06:14:07 PM »
Tasers are specifically used as non-lethal force. Pointing a known non-lethal means of force should not result in lethal reciprocation.

Not to mention the Taser was spent and he was not shot by the officer in nearest vicinity of the Taser, but the trailing officer whose Taser was taken.

Also, trying to substantiate, but I saw reports that officers were collecting the shell casings with gloves before Brooks had even received full and complete medical care 

I got into an argument with my father over this earlier. Being a police officer is obviously a very difficult job with insane stressors, but there is still such a shoot first ask questions later mentality. Being disorderly and resisting arrest should not merit a death sentence. There is also video of Brooks calmly speaking with the police outside of his car before they decided to escalate the situation and begin processing him for the inebriation offenses.
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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #78 on: June 14, 2020, 06:18:54 PM »
Tasers are specifically used as non-lethal force. Pointing a known non-lethal means of force should not result in lethal reciprocation.


Maybe the deceased should have thought of that before taking the officer's taser gun from him.
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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #79 on: June 14, 2020, 06:20:06 PM »

Maybe the deceased should have thought of that before taking the officer's taser gun from him.

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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #81 on: June 14, 2020, 06:32:06 PM »
He turned and fired the taser gun at pursuing police before being shot. Sorry, but he caused his own demise.


Georgia law only permits the use of deadly force in limited circumstances. The closest one states that could apply is if an officer “reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury.”

A taser is not deadly, and is not likely to result in serious bodily injury. All it does is temporarily stun people. The officers violated their own department’s policy and caused a death in the process.

But yeah - keep defending them.

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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #82 on: June 14, 2020, 06:39:06 PM »

Maybe the deceased should have thought of that before taking the officer's taser gun from him.

 did those police miss the class on how to shoot objects outta their hands or take out a knee??
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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #83 on: June 14, 2020, 06:41:02 PM »

Maybe the deceased should have thought of that before taking the officer's taser gun from him.

No, but the officer who is paid and trained to do so certainly should've thought about it before he used lethal force on a non-threatening target.
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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #84 on: June 14, 2020, 06:41:07 PM »
did those police miss the class on how to shoot objects outta their hands or take out a knee??

Says the poster who calls out others about cheering and joking about death.

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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #85 on: June 14, 2020, 06:44:11 PM »
Tasers are specifically used as non-lethal force. Pointing a known non-lethal means of force should not result in lethal reciprocation.

i realize the dude just took the taser from the cops and i understand the taser should be readily identifiable, but do you assume in that split second, it was a taser being pointed at you?  what if the taser deploys, officer down, and then he takes his handgun?   lots of problems right there.

   too many decisions had to be made here that could have been avoided altogether if...
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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #86 on: June 14, 2020, 06:46:59 PM »
i realize the dude just took the taser from the cops and i understand the taser should be readily identifiable, but do you assume in that split second, it was a taser being pointed at you?  what if the taser deploys, officer down, and then he takes his handgun?   lots of problems right there.

   too many decisions had to be made here that could have been avoided altogether if...

There is a second cop there. If one gets tasered and the guy goes for the stunned cop’s gun then the other cop can use his.

Shocked at the people that are okay with a man being shot in the back as he ran away. I’m guessing they think Breonna Taylor deserved to die for dating a guy who would shoot a gun at officers who busted into the wrong house without announcing their presence.
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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #87 on: June 14, 2020, 06:48:41 PM »
There is a second cop there. If one gets tasered and the guy goes for the stunned cop’s gun then the other cop can use his.

Shocked at the people that are okay with a man being shot in the back as he ran away.

I’m not shocked.

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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #88 on: June 14, 2020, 06:52:59 PM »
Shockin' how many want the inmates running the asylum.
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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #89 on: June 14, 2020, 06:57:42 PM »
Shockin' how many want the inmates running the asylum.

Good thing we have the best POTUS of your life as the warden, aina?

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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #90 on: June 14, 2020, 06:57:53 PM »
Shockin' how many want the inmates running the asylum.

One of the most racist long running statements used in this country.

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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #91 on: June 14, 2020, 06:58:04 PM »
He turned and fired the taser gun at pursuing police before being shot. Sorry, but he caused his own demise.


Not a deadly weapon.
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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #92 on: June 14, 2020, 07:15:05 PM »
Let's all live in a lawless society snd see how that shakes out, hey?
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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #93 on: June 14, 2020, 07:20:05 PM »
Let's all live in a lawless society snd see how that shakes out, hey?

Police killing black men within the laws, apparently.
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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #94 on: June 14, 2020, 07:29:57 PM »
Police killing black men within the laws, apparently.

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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #95 on: June 14, 2020, 07:51:21 PM »
DUI, resisting arrest, assaulting a police officer, taking an officer’s taser and fleeing the scene.

But OTOH, they knew who the guy was, where he lived and had his car.

There was a time when no one would have blinked over a cop shooting a guy under these circumstances. That time has passed. And that’s a good thing.

Agree Lenny.  This is a good take

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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #96 on: June 14, 2020, 07:57:43 PM »
He turned and fired the taser gun at pursuing police before being shot. Sorry, but he caused his own demise.

The Atlanta Police Department's official policy disagrees.

4.2
Use of Deadly Force
An employee may use deadly force to apprehend a suspected felon only when:
1.He or she reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury and when he or she reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of serious bodily injury to the officer or others; or
2.When there is probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm (O.C.G.A. Section 17-4-20) and the employee reasonably believes that the suspect’s escape would create a continuing danger of serious physical harm to any person.

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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #97 on: June 14, 2020, 08:09:37 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/investigations-alleged-officer-misconduct-not-enough-man-permanently-125200300--abc-news-topstories.html

This department didn't discriminate.    They randomly shot a guy in the eye for being out after curfew and walking to his car.     
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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #98 on: June 14, 2020, 08:14:45 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/investigations-alleged-officer-misconduct-not-enough-man-permanently-125200300--abc-news-topstories.html

This department didn't discriminate.    They randomly shot a guy in the eye for being out after curfew and walking to his car.   

Maybe the he should have thought of that before being out past curfew.

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Re: Do you think Derik Chauvin was over charged?
« Reply #99 on: June 14, 2020, 08:16:44 PM »
Pretty sure your interpretation is skewed. You cannot take an officer's weapon. Should the armed officer be tased, he would have been incapacitated and potentially his weapon could have been taken from him and used against him by the subject. A grand jury, if called, will see the suspect clearly resisted and engaged the officers when attempting to cuff him. Bad things can happen in this scenario and that's the choice the subject made at the moment.
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