COVID Economy

[Hards Alumni]

In many southern states (and a few others), those who likely caught COVID-19 at work are almost always denied workers compensation.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article252620273.html

North Carolina, like many GOP-run states, has very strict workers comp laws. Unlike many northern states, the legislature here refused to pass laws making it easier for people who probably got the virus at work to get compensated. Such a law was considered, but business groups spent millions lobbying against it ... and the law, like thousands of COVID-19 sufferers, died.

My wife personally knows 4 people at her hospital who almost certainly were infected on the job. All were denied workers comp. One is a 40-something long-hauler who, more than a year later, is still battling fatigue, migraines and other issues.

And yet, of course, the hospital constantly takes out ads on TV and in newspapers bragging about its "heroes" who worked tirelessly during the pandemic. It has treated many of those heroes like dirt ... but if bragging about them gets the executives (dozens of whom make $1M+) more money, heroes they are!

If they catch covid at work after having the opportunity to  have been vaccinated then why should they get workers comp.  If before, then they should get it.

[MU82]

If they catch covid at work after having the opportunity to  have been vaccinated then why should they get workers comp.  If before, then they should get it.

The 4 people this refers to, including the long-COVID victim, each got the virus well before vaccines existed.

Each has since been vaccinated.

Interestingly (or stupidly), this large hospital system requires employees to get a flu shot every year but does not mandate COVID-19 vaccinations.

[pacearrow02]

The 4 people this refers to, including the long-COVID victim, each got the virus well before vaccines existed.

Each has since been vaccinated.

Interestingly (or stupidly), this large hospital system requires employees to get a flu shot every year but does not mandate COVID-19 vaccinations.

From what I understand (could be wrong) but the primary reason business are reluctant to mandate it is because it hasn't received full FDA authorization yet.

For any legal minds on here, is there liability to the company for mandating a vaccine that is currently under an EUA and not full approval?

And what is taking so long to get full FDA clearance?

[warriorchick]

From what I understand (could be wrong) but the primary reason business are reluctant to mandate it is because it hasn't received full FDA authorization yet.

For any legal minds on here, is there liability to the company for mandating a vaccine that is currently under an EUA and not full approval?

And what is taking so long to get full FDA clearance?

It is my understanding that Aurora Advocate Health System, for example, intends to make the Covid vaccine mandatory once it gets the full FDA authorization.

[The Sultan]

From what I understand (could be wrong) but the primary reason business are reluctant to mandate it is because it hasn't received full FDA authorization yet.

For any legal minds on here, is there liability to the company for mandating a vaccine that is currently under an EUA and not full approval?

And what is taking so long to get full FDA clearance?

A hospital can most certainly can mandate it right now - and many have.  The reason others don't is because they have enough trouble finding nurses, custodians and food prep workers as it stands.

[pacearrow02]

A hospital can most certainly can mandate it right now - and many have.  The reason others don't is because they have enough trouble finding nurses, custodians and food prep workers as it stands.

Absolutely nothing stopping any hospital or business from mandating it today but is there liability to them if an employee is mandated to get it and ends up having one of the rare side effects associated with these vaccines? 

Does that liability go away with full FDA approval then?

[The Sultan]

Absolutely nothing stopping any hospital or business from mandating it today but is there liability to them if an employee is mandated to get it and ends up having one of the rare side effects associated with these vaccines? 

I have not seen that.  I do know that if someone catches COVID in the hospital from an unvaccinated worker, that it could cause liability issues there.

[pacearrow02]

I have not seen that.  I do know that if someone catches COVID in the hospital from an unvaccinated worker, that it could cause liability issues there.

Really?!?!  I didn't realize that, bit of a conundrum they find themselves in.

[MU82]

A hospital can most certainly can mandate it right now - and many have.  The reason others don't is because they have enough trouble finding nurses, custodians and food prep workers as it stands.

My wife believes this is the main reason (and perhaps only reason) her hospital has not mandated it.

[Uncle Rico]

My wife believes this is the main reason (and perhaps only reason) her hospital has not mandated it.

My sister is in health care administration in a deep red state and her company mandated vaccines.  Lawsuits were threatened and some people did quit but the mandate stood/stands.  FWIW, she's become quite conservative but took the vaccine no questions asked.  Her daughter is high risk, though

[MU82]

My sister is in health care administration in a deep red state and her company mandated vaccines.  Lawsuits were threatened and some people did quit but the mandate stood/stands.  FWIW, she's become quite conservative but took the vaccine no questions asked.  Her daughter is high risk, though

Thanks for adding perspective, Unk. And good on your sister for getting the vaccine.

[🏀]

Froedtert South's annual golf outing is for the fully vaccinated only.

Nice.

[jesmu84]

Inflation? Lol.

Inflation caused by government spending? Lolz.

https://www.youtube.com/v/s0x6UNc3XfQ

[Dr. Blackheart]

The Service Economy upended by the rude crazies...

https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/SF-Bay-Area-restaurants-customers-rude-Yelp-review-16333535.php

[🏀]

The Service Economy upended by the rude crazies...

https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/SF-Bay-Area-restaurants-customers-rude-Yelp-review-16333535.php

People are bonkers across the board. The article nails it, nice people are super nice. Fringe people are completely overboard. Prior to this year, we've had a handful of residential customers blacklisted, mostly due to non-payment/slow payment issues. We've added probably two dozen residential customers to the list since May.

Some of these people we've been servicing for 20+ years.

[Skatastrophy]

Some of these people we've been servicing for 20+ years.

Hot

[Hards Alumni]

The Service Economy upended by the rude crazies...

https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/SF-Bay-Area-restaurants-customers-rude-Yelp-review-16333535.php

We've experienced this as well.

[tower912]

Grew 6.5% in the second quarter.   

https://news.yahoo.com/u-economy-grows-6-5-130502960.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

[pacearrow02]

Grew 6.5% in the second quarter.   

https://news.yahoo.com/u-economy-grows-6-5-130502960.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Versus a much higher expectation of 8.5%

[MU82]

Versus a much higher expectation of 8.5%

That's a good thing - not too hot, not too cold.

[tower912]

Supply chain issues.    Computer chips.   Insane prices for lumber.   Lack of available housing.    Back ahead of pre-pandemic levels.   Imagine if everybody had gotten vaccinated.   

[Skatastrophy]

Versus a much higher expectation of 8.5%

Lol, big miss so markets are at ATH

[jesmu84]

Eviction moratorium expires this weekend.

[warriorchick]

Eviction moratorium expires this weekend.

It will take many months, if not a year or more, to get all the evictions through the courts.

[The Sultan]

It should end.  At this point, I think its causing more harm than good.