Definitely not about current recruiting...

[Newsdreams]

That was a key piece in the coaching staff with results you criticize?


Stan is not the Head Coach during games.You should know better.I bet Stan knew the score of the game at Butler when Wojo told Bailey to foul.LOL.Incompetent

He, as assistant was as much responsible to keep the coach aware of that info. Did you see some of the last "cuddles"? Wojo let Stan take on more of a coaching role, results  still Not great. But this is the last I'll write on this subject to not mess up the thread.

[Aircraftcarrier]

Lets talk recruiting.Guard recruiting to be specific.KO guard recruits - Miller,Logtermann,Hutchins,Pieper and Stewart.Crean- James,McNeal,Matthews,Diener,Wade,Acker and Cubillan.Buzz - Buycks,DJO,Cadougan,Blue,Duane Wilson,Johnson and Burton.Wojo - Carlino,Reinhardt,Howard and Rowsey(2 of which which were one year only).Does anybody see the difference and what the problem is?

[Uncle Rico]

Lets talk recruiting.Guard recruiting to be specific.KO guard recruits - Miller,Logtermann,Hutchins,Pieper and Stewart.Crean- James,McNeal,Matthews,Diener,Wade,Acker and Cubillan.Buzz - Buycks,DJO,Cadougan,Blue,Duane Wilson,Johnson and Burton.Wojo - Carlino,Reinhardt,Howard and Rowsey(2 of which which were one year only).Does anybody see the difference and what the problem is?

No

[WhiteTrash]

No

As logical as saying Wojo is the worst ever coach.

[zcg2013]

Lets talk recruiting.Guard recruiting to be specific.KO guard recruits - Miller,Logtermann,Hutchins,Pieper and Stewart.Crean- James,McNeal,Matthews,Diener,Wade,Acker and Cubillan.Buzz - Buycks,DJO,Cadougan,Blue,Duane Wilson,Johnson and Burton.Wojo - Carlino,Reinhardt,Howard and Rowsey(2 of which which were one year only).Does anybody see the difference and what the problem is?

If you're going to do this, you can't forget John Dawson, Jamal Ferguson, Reggie Smith, Sandy Cohen, Cheatam.... I'm sure I forgot others.

[Uncle Rico]

As logical as saying Wojo is the worst ever coach.

It's an incomplete list for starters and pointless in this thread.  The topic has been exhausted.

[Aircraftcarrier]

No

Uncle Rico you need help in judging talent of players and coaches.Lol

[Galway Eagle]

Lets talk recruiting.Guard recruiting to be specific.KO guard recruits - Miller,Logtermann,Hutchins,Pieper and Stewart.Crean- James,McNeal,Matthews,Diener,Wade,Acker and Cubillan.Buzz - Buycks,DJO,Cadougan,Blue,Duane Wilson,Johnson and Burton.Wojo - Carlino,Reinhardt,Howard and Rowsey(2 of which which were one year only).Does anybody see the difference and what the problem is?

Yes. That Wade and Blue left early. And Travis and Dom got injured. If those didn't happen we would've had our pick of blue blood coaches and nba coaches instead of Wojo 

[Aircraftcarrier]

If you're going to do this, you can't forget John Dawson, Jamal Ferguson, Reggie Smith, Sandy Cohen, Cheatam.... I'm sure I forgot others.


zcg2013 good try to hide the incompetence of Wojo.Heck O'Neill and Crean recruited way better guards than Wojo and they were in worse leagues

[The Sultan]

If you're going to do this, you can't forget John Dawson, Jamal Ferguson, Reggie Smith, Sandy Cohen, Cheatam.... I'm sure I forgot others.


zcg2013 good try to hide the incompetence of Wojo.Heck O'Neill and Crean recruited way better guards than Wojo and they were in worse leagues

Do you not know how to use the quote feature?

[Its DJOver]

I don't really understand the point of this new exercise.  You can use selective memory however you want.  Let's compare Markus vs Derrick.  See.  Every coach has had good players, and not so good players.  Comparing one's best against another's worst doesn't really prove anything either way.

[Aircraftcarrier]

Do you not know how to use the quote feature?


Nope.I guess I am as good as Wojo is recruiting guards to a Big East school.

[Aircraftcarrier]

I don't really understand the point of this new exercise.  You can use selective memory however you want.  Let's compare Markus vs Derrick.  See.  Every coach has had good players, and not so good players.  Comparing one's best against another's worst doesn't really prove anything either way.


LOL.It is the best against the best.That is the point.I guess you missed it.Wojo hasn't had many good ones.

[Its DJOver]

I don't really understand the point of this new exercise.  You can use selective memory however you want.  Let's compare Markus vs Derrick.  See.  Every coach has had good players, and not so good players.  Comparing one's best against another's worst doesn't really prove anything either way.


LOL.It is the best against the best.That is the point.I guess you missed it.Wojo hasn't had many good ones.

I guess you trying to include Duane in the same list as Markus, Wade, and Miller kind of soiled it.  Keep stretching though if it is helping your mental health in this difficult time.

Edit: sorry to those expect only recruiting info in the recruiting thread, I'll now be abstaining unless I have relevant info to add.

[brewcity77]

Lets talk recruiting.Guard recruiting to be specific.KO guard recruits - Miller,Logtermann,Hutchins,Pieper and Stewart.Crean- James,McNeal,Matthews,Diener,Wade,Acker and Cubillan.Buzz - Buycks,DJO,Cadougan,Blue,Duane Wilson,Johnson and Burton.Wojo - Carlino,Reinhardt,Howard and Rowsey(2 of which which were one year only).Does anybody see the difference and what the problem is?

I do! The problem is you posting about Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean's recruiting in this thread 15-30 years after the fact.

[Aircraftcarrier]

I do! The problem is you posting about Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean's recruiting in this thread 15-30 years after the fact.



Sorry Brewcity but if KO can recruit guards like he did at MU when the program was crap and in the Midwestern Collegiate conf and Crean can bring in who he did,then yes I expect way better being in the Big East.

[CountryRoads]

I do! The problem is you posting about Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean's recruiting in this thread 15-30 years after the fact.



Sorry Brewcity but if KO can recruit guards like he did at MU when the program was crap and in the Midwestern Collegiate conf and Crean can bring in who he did,then yes I expect way better being in the Big East.

The only high school guards I count that wojo has gotten in 7 years that stayed more than a season are: Howard, Anim, Greg E, and Cheatham. Some holes have been plugged nicely with transfers, but the high school recruiting has been pretty weak overall. We'll see how he does going forward without Howard, which imo made recruiting other guards virtually impossible.

[dad's couch]

I do! The problem is you posting about Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean's recruiting in this thread 15-30 years after the fact.



Sorry Brewcity but if KO can recruit guards like he did at MU when the program was crap and in the Midwestern Collegiate conf and Crean can bring in who he did,then yes I expect way better being in the Big East.

And the AAU circuit hasn't changed since KO and Crean coached here. The shoe companies haven't expanded their financial support to runners and driving kids to certain schools. TV coverage hasn't changed in 15 years. In fact the game and how recruiting goes about has change at all.  So I defer to your comparisons between coaches 15 - 20 years ago and now.

[MU82]

I do! The problem is you posting about Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean's recruiting in this thread 15-30 years after the fact.



Sorry Brewcity but if KO can recruit guards like he did at MU when the program was crap and in the Midwestern Collegiate conf and Crean can bring in who he did,then yes I expect way better being in the Big East.

There is an entire thread devoted to MU guards.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60408.0;all

[rocky_warrior]

Sorry News - didn't mean to attribute this thread to you - just the way the spit happened...

[Aircraftcarrier]

And the AAU circuit hasn't changed since KO and Crean coached here. The shoe companies haven't expanded their financial support to runners and driving kids to certain schools. TV coverage hasn't changed in 15 years. In fact the game and how recruiting goes about has change at all.  So I defer to your comparisons between coaches 15 - 20 years ago and now.


Oh goody.More excuses.Now it is the AAU circuit and the shoe companies that are the reason MU can't recruit guards.Brilliant.Everybody cheats except MU

[wadesworld]

And the AAU circuit hasn't changed since KO and Crean coached here. The shoe companies haven't expanded their financial support to runners and driving kids to certain schools. TV coverage hasn't changed in 15 years. In fact the game and how recruiting goes about has change at all.  So I defer to your comparisons between coaches 15 - 20 years ago and now.


Oh goody.More excuses.Now it is the AAU circuit and the shoe companies that are the reason MU can't recruit guards.Brilliant.Everybody cheats except MU

You're the dude who's claiming Wojo sucks in every facet and isn't the guy here...

...and then championing a guy with basically an identical resume and screaming to bring him here.

Hilarious.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Sorry News - didn't mean to attribute this thread to you - just the way the spit happened...

I sincerely thank you for trying to break out these sidebars from the transfer and recruiting threads.  Genuinely. 

[Uncle Rico]

And the AAU circuit hasn't changed since KO and Crean coached here. The shoe companies haven't expanded their financial support to runners and driving kids to certain schools. TV coverage hasn't changed in 15 years. In fact the game and how recruiting goes about has change at all.  So I defer to your comparisons between coaches 15 - 20 years ago and now.


Oh goody.More excuses.Now it is the AAU circuit and the shoe companies that are the reason MU can't recruit guards.Brilliant.Everybody cheats except MU

Everything you said in the first paragraph is wrong

[Aircraftcarrier]

Thanks for telling Dads couch he is wrong.I knew you agreed with me.