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Title: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Newsdreams on April 14, 2020, 11:35:30 AM
That was a key piece in the coaching staff with results you criticize?


Stan is not the Head Coach during games.You should know better.I bet Stan knew the score of the game at Butler when Wojo told Bailey to foul.LOL.Incompetent
He, as assistant was as much responsible to keep the coach aware of that info. Did you see some of the last "cuddles"? Wojo let Stan take on more of a coaching role, results  still Not great. But this is the last I'll write on this subject to not mess up the thread.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on April 14, 2020, 12:30:21 PM
Lets talk recruiting.Guard recruiting to be specific.KO guard recruits - Miller,Logtermann,Hutchins,Pieper and Stewart.Crean- James,McNeal,Matthews,Diener,Wade,Acker and Cubillan.Buzz - Buycks,DJO,Cadougan,Blue,Duane Wilson,Johnson and Burton.Wojo - Carlino,Reinhardt,Howard and Rowsey(2 of which which were one year only).Does anybody see the difference and what the problem is?
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 14, 2020, 12:37:23 PM
Lets talk recruiting.Guard recruiting to be specific.KO guard recruits - Miller,Logtermann,Hutchins,Pieper and Stewart.Crean- James,McNeal,Matthews,Diener,Wade,Acker and Cubillan.Buzz - Buycks,DJO,Cadougan,Blue,Duane Wilson,Johnson and Burton.Wojo - Carlino,Reinhardt,Howard and Rowsey(2 of which which were one year only).Does anybody see the difference and what the problem is?

No
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: WhiteTrash on April 14, 2020, 12:39:20 PM
No
As logical as saying Wojo is the worst ever coach.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: zcg2013 on April 14, 2020, 12:41:32 PM
Lets talk recruiting.Guard recruiting to be specific.KO guard recruits - Miller,Logtermann,Hutchins,Pieper and Stewart.Crean- James,McNeal,Matthews,Diener,Wade,Acker and Cubillan.Buzz - Buycks,DJO,Cadougan,Blue,Duane Wilson,Johnson and Burton.Wojo - Carlino,Reinhardt,Howard and Rowsey(2 of which which were one year only).Does anybody see the difference and what the problem is?

If you're going to do this, you can't forget John Dawson, Jamal Ferguson, Reggie Smith, Sandy Cohen, Cheatam.... I'm sure I forgot others.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 14, 2020, 12:42:07 PM
As logical as saying Wojo is the worst ever coach.

It’s an incomplete list for starters and pointless in this thread.  The topic has been exhausted.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on April 14, 2020, 12:43:01 PM
No

Uncle Rico you need help in judging talent of players and coaches.Lol
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 14, 2020, 12:43:52 PM
Lets talk recruiting.Guard recruiting to be specific.KO guard recruits - Miller,Logtermann,Hutchins,Pieper and Stewart.Crean- James,McNeal,Matthews,Diener,Wade,Acker and Cubillan.Buzz - Buycks,DJO,Cadougan,Blue,Duane Wilson,Johnson and Burton.Wojo - Carlino,Reinhardt,Howard and Rowsey(2 of which which were one year only).Does anybody see the difference and what the problem is?

Yes. That Wade and Blue left early. And Travis and Dom got injured. If those didn't happen we would've had our pick of blue blood coaches and nba coaches instead of Wojo 
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on April 14, 2020, 12:48:32 PM
If you're going to do this, you can't forget John Dawson, Jamal Ferguson, Reggie Smith, Sandy Cohen, Cheatam.... I'm sure I forgot others.


zcg2013 good try to hide the incompetence of Wojo.Heck O'Neill and Crean recruited way better guards than Wojo and they were in worse leagues
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 14, 2020, 12:50:38 PM
If you're going to do this, you can't forget John Dawson, Jamal Ferguson, Reggie Smith, Sandy Cohen, Cheatam.... I'm sure I forgot others.


zcg2013 good try to hide the incompetence of Wojo.Heck O'Neill and Crean recruited way better guards than Wojo and they were in worse leagues


Do you not know how to use the quote feature?
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Its DJOver on April 14, 2020, 12:51:26 PM
I don't really understand the point of this new exercise.  You can use selective memory however you want.  Let's compare Markus vs Derrick.  See.  Every coach has had good players, and not so good players.  Comparing one's best against another's worst doesn't really prove anything either way.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on April 14, 2020, 12:52:50 PM
Do you not know how to use the quote feature?


Nope.I guess I am as good as Wojo is recruiting guards to a Big East school.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on April 14, 2020, 12:54:45 PM
I don't really understand the point of this new exercise.  You can use selective memory however you want.  Let's compare Markus vs Derrick.  See.  Every coach has had good players, and not so good players.  Comparing one's best against another's worst doesn't really prove anything either way.


LOL.It is the best against the best.That is the point.I guess you missed it.Wojo hasn't had many good ones.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Its DJOver on April 14, 2020, 12:58:25 PM
I don't really understand the point of this new exercise.  You can use selective memory however you want.  Let's compare Markus vs Derrick.  See.  Every coach has had good players, and not so good players.  Comparing one's best against another's worst doesn't really prove anything either way.


LOL.It is the best against the best.That is the point.I guess you missed it.Wojo hasn't had many good ones.

I guess you trying to include Duane in the same list as Markus, Wade, and Miller kind of soiled it.  Keep stretching though if it is helping your mental health in this difficult time.

Edit: sorry to those expect only recruiting info in the recruiting thread, I'll now be abstaining unless I have relevant info to add.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: brewcity77 on April 14, 2020, 01:00:47 PM
Lets talk recruiting.Guard recruiting to be specific.KO guard recruits - Miller,Logtermann,Hutchins,Pieper and Stewart.Crean- James,McNeal,Matthews,Diener,Wade,Acker and Cubillan.Buzz - Buycks,DJO,Cadougan,Blue,Duane Wilson,Johnson and Burton.Wojo - Carlino,Reinhardt,Howard and Rowsey(2 of which which were one year only).Does anybody see the difference and what the problem is?

I do! The problem is you posting about Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean's recruiting in this thread 15-30 years after the fact.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on April 14, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
I do! The problem is you posting about Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean's recruiting in this thread 15-30 years after the fact.



Sorry Brewcity but if KO can recruit guards like he did at MU when the program was crap and in the Midwestern Collegiate conf and Crean can bring in who he did,then yes I expect way better being in the Big East.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: CountryRoads on April 14, 2020, 01:21:55 PM
I do! The problem is you posting about Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean's recruiting in this thread 15-30 years after the fact.



Sorry Brewcity but if KO can recruit guards like he did at MU when the program was crap and in the Midwestern Collegiate conf and Crean can bring in who he did,then yes I expect way better being in the Big East.

The only high school guards I count that wojo has gotten in 7 years that stayed more than a season are: Howard, Anim, Greg E, and Cheatham. Some holes have been plugged nicely with transfers, but the high school recruiting has been pretty weak overall. We’ll see how he does going forward without Howard, which imo made recruiting other guards virtually impossible.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: dad's couch on April 14, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
I do! The problem is you posting about Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean's recruiting in this thread 15-30 years after the fact.



Sorry Brewcity but if KO can recruit guards like he did at MU when the program was crap and in the Midwestern Collegiate conf and Crean can bring in who he did,then yes I expect way better being in the Big East.

And the AAU circuit hasn't changed since KO and Crean coached here. The shoe companies haven't expanded their financial support to runners and driving kids to certain schools. TV coverage hasn't changed in 15 years. In fact the game and how recruiting goes about has change at all.  So I defer to your comparisons between coaches 15 - 20 years ago and now.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: MU82 on April 14, 2020, 01:47:41 PM
I do! The problem is you posting about Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean's recruiting in this thread 15-30 years after the fact.



Sorry Brewcity but if KO can recruit guards like he did at MU when the program was crap and in the Midwestern Collegiate conf and Crean can bring in who he did,then yes I expect way better being in the Big East.

There is an entire thread devoted to MU guards.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60408.0;all
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: rocky_warrior on April 14, 2020, 02:08:16 PM
Sorry News - didn't mean to attribute this thread to you - just the way the spit happened...
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on April 14, 2020, 03:05:20 PM
And the AAU circuit hasn't changed since KO and Crean coached here. The shoe companies haven't expanded their financial support to runners and driving kids to certain schools. TV coverage hasn't changed in 15 years. In fact the game and how recruiting goes about has change at all.  So I defer to your comparisons between coaches 15 - 20 years ago and now.


Oh goody.More excuses.Now it is the AAU circuit and the shoe companies that are the reason MU can't recruit guards.Brilliant.Everybody cheats except MU
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: wadesworld on April 14, 2020, 03:06:32 PM
And the AAU circuit hasn't changed since KO and Crean coached here. The shoe companies haven't expanded their financial support to runners and driving kids to certain schools. TV coverage hasn't changed in 15 years. In fact the game and how recruiting goes about has change at all.  So I defer to your comparisons between coaches 15 - 20 years ago and now.


Oh goody.More excuses.Now it is the AAU circuit and the shoe companies that are the reason MU can't recruit guards.Brilliant.Everybody cheats except MU

You’re the dude who’s claiming Wojo sucks in every facet and isn’t the guy here...

...and then championing a guy with basically an identical resume and screaming to bring him here.

Hilarious.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 14, 2020, 03:08:21 PM
Sorry News - didn't mean to attribute this thread to you - just the way the spit happened...

I sincerely thank you for trying to break out these sidebars from the transfer and recruiting threads.  Genuinely. 
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 14, 2020, 03:17:46 PM
And the AAU circuit hasn't changed since KO and Crean coached here. The shoe companies haven't expanded their financial support to runners and driving kids to certain schools. TV coverage hasn't changed in 15 years. In fact the game and how recruiting goes about has change at all.  So I defer to your comparisons between coaches 15 - 20 years ago and now.


Oh goody.More excuses.Now it is the AAU circuit and the shoe companies that are the reason MU can't recruit guards.Brilliant.Everybody cheats except MU

Everything you said in the first paragraph is wrong
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on April 14, 2020, 03:25:36 PM
Thanks for telling Dads couch he is wrong.I knew you agreed with me.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 14, 2020, 03:27:46 PM
Aircraft, learn to quote.  It's really easy.  It's the button labelled "Quote" at the top right of every post.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 14, 2020, 03:29:47 PM
Thanks for telling Dads couch he is wrong.I knew you agreed with me.

That’s why you need to use the quote feature
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: dad's couch on April 14, 2020, 03:41:47 PM
It was sarcasm. But I guess I forgot the level of people I was dealing with. To say nothing has changed since O'Neil. Watch Hoop Dreams. Recruiting was done at the HS level. Now it's the AAU circuit.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: zcg2013 on April 14, 2020, 03:45:57 PM
I believe Aircraft is looking to troll and mess with people aside from his hot takes. It's also working because we have nothing else to do nowadays besides have these pointless arguments.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: We R Final Four on April 14, 2020, 04:08:32 PM
Aircraft, learn to quote.  It's really easy.  It's the button labelled "Quote" at the top right of every post.

I thought he was kidding, but he definitely has not figured out the quote button.  I guess the old copy and paste works for some.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Newsdreams on April 14, 2020, 05:09:26 PM
Sorry News - didn't mean to attribute this thread to you - just the way the spit happened...
No biggie. You're the boss here, but at first I thought my account hacked lol.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: Newsdreams on April 14, 2020, 05:20:36 PM
I believe Aircraft is looking to troll and mess with people aside from his hot takes. It's also working because we have nothing else to do nowadays besides have these pointless arguments.
This is exactly my belief.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: MU82 on April 14, 2020, 06:22:06 PM
I believe Aircraft is looking to troll and mess with people aside from his hot takes. It's also working because we have nothing else to do nowadays besides have these pointless arguments.

Yep, and I'm embarrassed that I didn't see it sooner. Nobody can have THAT many bad takes, at least not on the basketball board.
Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: rocky_warrior on April 14, 2020, 08:13:00 PM
No biggie. You're the boss here, but at first I thought my account hacked lol.

I'm merely one of the cat herders...

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Title: Re: Definitely not about current recruiting...
Post by: war1980rior on April 15, 2020, 01:30:59 PM
I'm merely one of the cat herders...

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I don't think your job is that easy, Rocky!