2020-2021 Season

[BM1090]

Teal?
I hope.

Hell no. Our team may have been talent deficient or lacked coaching but they did not give up. In the late season skid alone they staged rallies late against SJU, Nova, CU and SHU. They made a late rally to beat Davidson as well and that's just off the top of my head.

Marquette's issues were lack of preparation/execution at times. Not lack of effort.

[Warrior of Law]

Some could argue that that is the path to .500 overall.

I can't see any path to .500 in the BE after this years team failed to do so.

With 20 BE games (adding UCONN), there will be two factors at play for scheduling:

1) MU needn't worry so much about non-conference SOS as they'll make up for it with the 20 league games vs top 100 teams, and

2) with 11 home dates spoken for (10 BE home games along with UW), I see Broeker scheduling the five-six cheapest and lowest-ranked buy games to round out the home schedule, particularly if they have a 2-3 game commitment in a pre-season tourney and a road Big Ten Gavitt game.

With that background, I see MU heading to BE play with a little cushion over .500.

[Scoop Snoop]

Wojo's teams never, ever gave up.

My point was to contrast Cooley's and Ewing's leadership in adversity vs. Wojo, but it is easy to understand why it appears that I as saying Marquette's team gave up with my wording. I agree with you that they did not give up... until the DePaul game. I DO think they gave up in that one. Ewing's team could have easily given up but his strong leadership kept his team fighting like tigers.

Honest question- if we could have swapped coaches mid season, would you passed on Cooley or Ewing? 

[The Sultan]

Cooley is a better coach than Wojo.

Not all that impressed with Ewing.

[WhiteTrash]

With 20 BE games (adding UCONN), there will be two factors at play for scheduling:

1) MU needn't worry so much about non-conference SOS as they'll make up for it with the 20 league games vs top 100 teams, and

2) with 11 home dates spoken for (10 BE home games along with UW), I see Broeker scheduling the five-six cheapest and lowest-ranked buy games to round out the home schedule, particularly if they have a 2-3 game commitment in a pre-season tourney and a road Big Ten Gavitt game.

With that background, I see MU heading to BE play with a little cushion over .500.

Makes sense. My prediction is for a .500 season, 8th or 9th in the BE. With MU schedule, that could be enough for a 60-70 NET.

[keefe]

Will MU's e-sports fold down the stretch like wojo's teams?

Perfect.

Looking out of our place on Westlake is like a post-apocalyptic movie. Papers blowing, the odd stray dog, and not a soul in sight.

If anything, this could devastate the downtown homeless population.

[Badgerhater]

MU has not had an immediate impact Freshman class since the Three Amigos.  Individual players yes, but not a whole class that contributed at a high level from Day 1. 

This board consistently overrates our incoming Freshman.

Wojo is not a calm under pressure coach and he has not shown an ability to change course when other teams have figured MU out.

Wojo is the worst type of coach.  Not bad enough to fire, not good enough to keep.   A recipe to mire the program in mediocrity.

[MU82]

Worst coach in basketball history + terrible returning players who simply can't play + incredibly overrated recruiting class = 0-30.

Unless we play 31 games.

Wojo still gets 4-year extension because idiotic administration loves losing.

Doesn't even matter, because we're all dead anyway.

Next topic, please. Nothing else to see here.

[Aircraftcarrier]

Hey Badgerhater. Markus and Sam were immediate impact players from the same class.Any team in the Country would have taken those two games on there team

[Elonsmusk]

Jamal Cain moments this year that say it all: 

1) at Providence, 2nd half-  wide open corner three, passes up shot. Two or three dribbles, wide open again for 16 footer, passes up shot.  Passes to McEwen, stolen and dunk on other end. 

2). at DePaul, twice with the ball as shot clock expires.  Clueless both times as he made no attempt at getting a shot up.  First time, he ever so calmly through an entry pass into Jayce. 

These are just two examples of many of his total cluelessness out there.

You know why?  Because Jamal was tentative to shoot because many times if he missed his first shot, he'd get subbed out.

I think Jamal is the PERFECT example of a player who embodies underachievement due to the way Wojo coaches.

Jamal does not have a great handle, however, I think he's a guy that has played tighter and less confident as a result of frequent quick hooks - particular during his sophomore season.

Koby became a basket case. Ed Morrow did. Cheatham did. Duane Wilson did. JJJ did. Brendan on his way too. How many guys do we need to see regress or have wild swings in performance before we realize something else is at play?

Not directed at you Hutch - I'm usually always in agreement with your takes. Just a general commentary.

[Badgerhater]

Hey Badgerhater. Markus and Sam were immediate impact players from the same class.Any team in the Country would have taken those two games on there team

What part of my recruiting class vs individual players comment did you not understand?

[Aircraftcarrier]

Hey badgerhater. I understood completely.Maybe you should check your facts before you post. Markus and Sam were the entire freshman class that enrolled.I believe Dwight Burke was in the 3 amigos class and he was not an impact player,so your statement is wrong to begin with

[WhiteTrash]

Hey Badgerhater. Markus and Sam were immediate impact players from the same class.Any team in the Country would have taken those two games on there team

You should have stopped typing after your first sentence.

[Badgerhater]

Hey badgerhater. I understood completely.Maybe you should check your facts before you post. Markus and Sam were the entire freshman class that enrolled.I believe Dwight Burke was in the 3 amigos class and he was not an impact player,so your statement is wrong to begin with
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Dwight Burke gave everything he had to MU.  And you forgot about Harry Froling in the Howard/Hauser class.

The Three Amigos plus DB carried MU much farther then did the recent class.  While no deep tourney runs stopped by heartbreaking losses, they paved the first years for MU in the Big East with 10-6, 10-6, 11-7, 12-6 records.  Establishing the currently unmet expectations many of us have today.

[MU82]

You know why?  Because Jamal was tentative to shoot because many times if he missed his first shot, he'd get subbed out.

Simply didn't happen the second half of this season. Wojo gave Cain a lot of rope, often played him more minutes than Bailey. Cain averaged 18 mpg and averaged nearly 21 the last 5 games, roughly the same as Bailey.

So while your assertion might have had merit the previous two seasons, it did not this season. Cain took plenty of bad shots and/or had plenty of ugly TOs without being pulled from games.

Plenty of stuff to rip Wojo about, and you've done so. Don't make crap up.

[Elonsmusk]

Simply didn't happen the second half of this season. Wojo gave Cain a lot of rope, often played him more minutes than Bailey. Cain averaged 18 mpg and averaged nearly 21 the last 5 games, roughly the same as Bailey.

So while your assertion might have had merit the previous two seasons, it did not this season. Cain took plenty of bad shots and/or had plenty of ugly TOs without being pulled from games.

Plenty of stuff to rip Wojo about, and you've done so. Don't make crap up.

5 games averaging 21 minutes to close the season!  Awesomely long leash while Brendan was bricking.

I will say Wojo did give a slightly longer leash this year (as opposed to his historic one missed shot or turnover hook with Jamal), but it is what it is:  The way he coaches kills confidence and limits potential.

Player development under him has sucked. Either results in transfer, regression, or stagnation.

[MU82]

5 games averaging 21 minutes to close the season!  Awesomely long leash while Brendan was bricking.

I will say Wojo did give a slightly longer leash this year (as opposed to his historic one missed shot or turnover hook with Jamal), but it is what it is:  The way he coaches kills confidence and limits potential.

Player development under him has sucked. Either results in transfer, regression, or stagnation.

You were wrong about Cain getting pulled this season. If Cain played poorly the last few games because he was worried about being pulled, he is mentally weak and should move on to another team, because it simply wasn't the case.

But carry on.

[Elonsmusk]

You were wrong about Cain getting pulled this season. If Cain played poorly the last few games because he was worried about being pulled, he is mentally weak and should move on to another team, because it simply wasn't the case.

But carry on.

Cain was on a short leash early this year. Wojo slightly improved. It's like going from an F to a D. Still crapty.

As for being mentally weak?  Perhaps thin skinned Steve should take a look in the mirror.

Jamal has had a kick a$$ attitude his whole time at MU despite some really questionable coaching.  He, and Theo will be just the 4th and 5th players under Wojo in 7 years to play for him their entire college career.

[Eldon]

The leash doesnt matter.

Cain et al can't focus on playing to their full potential if all they hear in the back of their head is "get Markus the ball."

[Aircraftcarrier]

Froling did not come in with Howard or Hauser. He signed with SMU .Nice try though.

[WarriorFan]

Don't forget... more likely than not someone gets hurt and someone transfers out.  That means at least one more slot to fill (assuming an injury redshirt) which should be viewed as an opportunity to get a real contributor.

If Wojo is going to continue the same offensive style (double meaning intended) without the star player, then the team needs slashers and switchables who play solid D.  No-one under 6'5.  Also need an elite positional rebounder to replace Jayce.  In the NCAA nobody boxes out any more... having one guy who does on your team can be a huge advantage. 

At the same time:
Fix everyone's confidence
Teach Koby how to finish a drive
Teach Symir how to play D
Teach Jamal how to dribble
Keep Greg healthy

[Badgerhater]

Froling did not come in with Howard or Hauser. He signed with SMU .Nice try though.

Schollie table.  Utter recruiting failure.

[WhiteTrash]

At the same time:
Fix everyone's confidence
Teach Koby how to finish a drive
Teach Symir how to play D
Teach Jamal how to dribble
Keep Greg healthy

Might as well add winning the Powerball.

[MU82]

Cain was on a short leash early this year. Wojo slightly improved. It's like going from an F to a D. Still crapty.

As for being mentally weak?  Perhaps thin skinned Steve should take a look in the mirror.

Jamal has had a kick a$$ attitude his whole time at MU despite some really questionable coaching.  He, and Theo will be just the 4th and 5th players under Wojo in 7 years to play for him their entire college career.

The game in question, in which Cain repeatedly looked lost, was late in the season. As I said in my first line about your erroneous claim, "Simply didn't happen the second half of this season."

Ever since, you've been trying to claim you weren't wrong even though you clearly were.

It is classic Nrs - beat the dead horse until even the blood has worn away ... and until you get banned again.

But sure, carry on.

[Elonsmusk]

The game in question, in which Cain repeatedly looked lost, was late in the season. As I said in my first line about your erroneous claim, "Simply didn't happen the second half of this season."

Ever since, you've been trying to claim you weren't wrong even though you clearly were.

It is classic Nrs - beat the dead horse until even the blood has worn away ... and until you get banned again.

But sure, carry on.

Coming from the guy who has been a top 5 ProJo, I could give a F how you perceive right and wrong.

But. I will tell you. Your perception of being right or wrong is virtually always wrong.

What's really fantastic?  Despite being presented with a mountain of evidence that Wojo is a failure, you still can't bring yourself after 5+ years of banging the drum for Wojo - preaching for patience - to admit you were and are wrong.

And you post the above crap?  Gimme a break.

However, you were a sports journalist and do coach middle school girls basketball. So. There's that.