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Is it time for Wojo to be removed?

Yes
109 (66.9%)
No
46 (28.2%)
Wait a minute, he's only had six years!
8 (4.9%)

Total Members Voted: 163

Voting closed: March 06, 2020, 10:01:35 PM

5DollarPitcher

The iconic illustration of Wojo's tenure at Marquette should be his utterly pissed off face during Markus's senior day speech.  As if the fans booing him lost the game in the first five minutes.  It's always someone/something else.  You suck Wojo.  Leave.

curbina

Quote from: keefe on March 03, 2020, 10:08:37 PM
John Beilein.

Tanned. Rested. Ready.

I agree, Beilein could turn this program around.

"You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw stones at every dog that barks."
- Winston S. Churchill

Dish

Shaka turning his season around at UT could potentially be good news for MU.

I don't think MU fires Woj, but if they did, MU seems like the best opening that would be available.


BM1090

If he loses @ SJU and then does not win the BET or win a game or two in the dance, then it's probably time.

skianth16

Quote from: CountryRoads on March 03, 2020, 10:20:12 PM
Had you posted this a week ago, I would have really agreed with it and it's exactly how I felt...but I'm not so sure how it'll go down anymore. He's really coaching himself out of any other P6 opportunities. If he wants to take a huge pay cut and try and win at a mid major, I guess he can go for it but he'd look pretty stupid in the process.

His last two Feb/March performances haven't exactly helped.

At the end of the day, he was never ready for this big of a job. And this kind of flop with a high profile assistant should make the powers that be reconsider the idea of hiring anyone without head coaching experience. Buzz was unique, and we lucked out with him. Maybe we can't get a P6 guy, but making a push for an experienced HC should be a priority.

mileskishnish72

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:14:50 PM
There are moments where you have a game in hand and have to close it out. Providence at home, at Butler, and tonight. They had sizable late leads in all three. After each game, my thought was "that's a loss you just can't afford" when it comes to seeding.

And we had similar leads in the 4-game losing streak last year. There have been more positives than the anti-Wojo crowd care to admit, but this is a disturbing trend that worries me going forward. And if he's not the guy, no recruiting class is worth keeping for a coach that is taking you backwards.

True, true.

CountryRoads

I don't have the desire to research this now but does anyone know if there are any current P6 coaches who are as long or longer tenured than Wojo who have yet to win a tournament game?

The Lens

Fly to Vegas
Hand TJ a blank check
Call a press conference
Plan a parade
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

LAZER

Quote from: CountryRoads on March 03, 2020, 11:06:35 PM
I don't have the desire to research this now but does anyone know if there are any current P6 coaches who are as long or longer tenured than Wojo who have yet to win a tournament game?
Pat Chambers

WhiteTrash

Quote from: The Lens on March 03, 2020, 10:21:19 PM
Wake Forest.
Maybe, but I think that would be a hard sell to Wake, it's boosters and fans based upon Wojo record and him being a 'Dookie'.

Eldon

Quote from: CountryRoads on March 03, 2020, 11:06:35 PM
I don't have the desire to research this now but does anyone know if there are any current P6 coaches who are as long or longer tenured than Wojo who have yet to win a tournament game?

Danny Manning

Silent Verbal

Is there any chance Wojo just steps down at the end of the season?  Is that unprecedented for a coach in college basketball?  He looks completely miserable on the sidelines right now.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 03, 2020, 11:19:52 PM
Is there any chance Wojo just steps down at the end of the season?  Is that unprecedented for a coach in college basketball?  He looks completely miserable on the sidelines right now.

The question that should be asked is...... are there anymore steps to step down from now?

TAMU, Knower of Ball

No. It's tempting but all you would do is screw over the next coach. Do it right, wait a season, get the right coach, and give him a young core to build around. And maybe Wojo finds a way to turn it around.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Silent Verbal

Quote from: TAMU Garcia on March 03, 2020, 11:51:52 PM
No. It's tempting but all you would do is screw over the next coach. Do it right, wait a season, get the right coach, and give him a young core to build around. And maybe Wojo finds a way to turn it around.

Wojo retained every single one of the players on the MU roster when he took over as coach and people still say he inherited a dumpster fire.  And that roster had seven Top 100 recruits, including two guys who've seen action in the NBA.  There's no such thing as a new coach coming in and having a "young core" to build around.  This isn't pro sports.  There's no guarantee any of our players would stay if we hired someone new.  This might be a situation where MU just needs to bite the bullet.

Jockey

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:14:50 PM
There are moments where you have a game in hand and have to close it out. Providence at home, at Butler, and tonight. They had sizable late leads in all three. After each game, my thought was "that's a loss you just can't afford" when it comes to seeding.

And we had similar leads in the 4-game losing streak last year. There have been more positives than the anti-Wojo crowd care to admit, but this is a disturbing trend that worries me going forward. And if he's not the guy, no recruiting class is worth keeping for a coach that is taking you backwards.

I'm in the same boat as you, Brew. I have never called for Wojo's removal. I knew he was not a great coach, but was hoping talent could overcome that fact. But, the sad truth is that without MH, this game would have been for last place in the BE.

We have the evidence. We can see the record and the collapses. We also have the evidence that we see with our eyes. We can't be in a situation where a guy with the offensive skills of Derrick Wilson decides the fate of the team. We can't watch the mid-range games of other teams in the bE while we have none. Wojo is near the bottom of the list when it comes to ranking coaches in the BE.

Finally, the time has come. We need a change at the top.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 04, 2020, 12:09:17 AM
Wojo retained every single one of the players on the MU roster when he took over as coach and people still say he inherited a dumpster fire.  And that roster had seven Top 100 recruits, including two guys who've seen action in the NBA.  There's no such thing as a new coach coming in and having a "young core" to build around.  This isn't pro sports.  There's no guarantee any of our players would stay if we hired someone new.  This might be a situation where MU just needs to bite the bullet.

He did inherit a dumpster fire. A team that missed the NIT and then lost 5 of the top 6 players on the roster...and the 1 remaining was Derrick Wilson!

If we have to hire a new coach in the next two seasons, it will be higher stakes than the last time. We cannot afford two bad hires in a row. Make the wrong hire and us becoming SLU may be a reality. That would be over a decade of irrelevance. Knowing those stakes, take the time, do the hire right. Don't put the university in a position where they have to scramble and make a quick decision out of a small pool of candidates.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Class71

Problem has been no team  building. One shooter does not win games. Wojo does not/can not adjust. Very one dimensional offense with poor passing and ball handling. Drive into a crowd and lose the ball, great plan Wojo.

I see no way forward with this coach.
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Stretchdeltsig

It seemed that Wojo coaches to lose. My God he had the team playing slow down, half court to let Dr Paul win. With the exception of Markus, the players followed Wojo's lead to lose. I have been a So no supporter until now but last night proved he so clearly a poor coach. Night after night the team under performs. Look at how well the Badgers are playing by being "coached up." Sadly, our kids are being "coached down." Wojo may be a good recruiter but he is a bad coach who doesn't know how to coach to win.

willie warrior

Quote from: 94Warrior on March 03, 2020, 10:10:52 PM
We will have a coaching vacancy in the next 30 days.  Wojo will find another "opportunity" and ride off into the sunset to save face.  Our recruits will ask for their release from their LOI's.  That's how this works.
Dont know about this , but if so, it will be another sad ending in the never ending saga of MU finding the right guy who will lead us out of this nightmare and desire to ride the train for a long time. If it happens, not confident MU will make a good decision. Continued disappointment over the results of the Wojo regime.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

SaveOD238

I'm finally on the fire Wojo train.  But I don't think they can him unless they have someone in mind that they want and think they can get.  If that's TJO or Beilien or God-forbid Wardle or whoever, they need to have their guy before they can Wojo. 

Spotcheck Billy

Quote from: 94Warrior on March 03, 2020, 10:10:52 PM
We will have a coaching vacancy in the next 30 days.  Wojo will find another "opportunity" and ride off into the sunset to save face.  Our recruits will ask for their release from their LOI's.  That's how this works.

Wojo to the Gophers?

NickelDimer

Wojo is who I and others thought he was all along. I've continued to say I haven't seen any measurable growth from him as a coach since his first game and this season has been beyond evidence of that.
No Finish Line

BubbaWilliams

#48
Quote from: MUDish on March 03, 2020, 10:22:17 PM
Shaka turning his season around at UT could potentially be good news for MU.

I don't think MU fires Woj, but if they did, MU seems like the best opening that would be available.
I was just going to say this. I would love Texas to go on a run and for Shaka to keep his job. That would make us the most enticing. But, we'll most likely keep Wojo. Sigh
"Marquette is so good defensively, they steal your mouth guards."

StillAWarrior

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:03:51 PM
For the first time all year, I feel like Wojo should be coaching for his job from here on out. I'm very patient, but this is bad.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:14:50 PM
There are moments where you have a game in hand and have to close it out. Providence at home, at Butler, and tonight. They had sizable late leads in all three. After each game, my thought was "that's a loss you just can't afford" when it comes to seeding.

And we had similar leads in the 4-game losing streak last year. There have been more positives than the anti-Wojo crowd care to admit, but this is a disturbing trend that worries me going forward. And if he's not the guy, no recruiting class is worth keeping for a coach that is taking you backwards.

Brew's comments in this thread sum up my feelings pretty well this morning.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

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