Our Fans Suck

[willie warrior]

Read Keefers posts. I'm taking him for a very honorable, trustworthy, honest man because, well, frankly, he's told us he's nothing short of the second coming of Jesus Christ himself. Sorry if he got it wrong and/or lied and I shouldn't have believed him.

Funny, I never interpreted Keefes posts as being the second coming of Jesus Christ...now George Patton, maybe!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This is a very weird time to be criticizing Markus' play. The offense yesterday was excellent. Our 79 points was the second most scored against Seton Hall this season (first was 87 by Creighton). We only had 9 turnovers. We had 16 offensive rebounds to their 23 defensive rebounds. We shot an eFG% of 51% (Seton Hall's opponents have shot 44% eFG% against them this season). The few times the offense looked bad it was because Markus distributed to other players and they missed open shots.

The problem yesterday was defense and Markus spent most of the night guarding Quincy McKnight who went 2/8 from the floor.

This of course is following a game against Georgetown where he put on a passing and scoring clinic.

You can think Wojo's offensive system is bad or has been a detriment to the team, that's fine. But to connect it to yesterday's loss is just incorrect.

[Goose]

TAMU

As I said in earlier post, I think Howard has become the whipping boy for this team. He has played well and really no reason to being throwing darts directly in his direction. I think it is a reflection of the frustration growing with a segment of the fan base.

[Lennys Tap]

This is a very weird time to be criticizing Markus' play. The offense yesterday was excellent. Our 79 points was the second most scored against Seton Hall this season (first was 87 by Creighton). We only had 9 turnovers. We had 16 offensive rebounds to their 23 defensive rebounds. We shot an eFG% of 51% (Seton Hall's opponents have shot 44% eFG% against them this season). The few times the offense looked bad it was because Markus distributed to other players and they missed open shots.

The problem yesterday was defense and Markus spent most of the night guarding Quincy McKnight who went 2/8 from the floor.

This of course is following a game against Georgetown where he put on a passing and scoring clinic.

You can think Wojo's offensive system is bad or has been a detriment to the team, that's fine. But to connect it to yesterday's loss is just incorrect.

Honest question: how good were our offensive numbers up to the point when we were hopelessly blown out? My guess is our efg% wasn't very good when we went down 24. Garbage time stat building means nothing IMHO.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Honest question: how good were our offensive numbers up to the point when we were hopelessly blown out? My guess is our efg% wasn't very good when we went down 24. Garbage time stat building means nothing IMHO.

When was there garbage time stat building? Both teams played their starters through to the end.

[Lennys Tap]

When was there garbage time stat building? Both teams played their starters through to the end.

Regardless of who is in the game a team's intensity (especially on defense) tends to wane when a game billed as dog fight turns into a rout. I'm not impressed with how we looked when SH was standing around waiting for the game to end. When a home team favorite is down 24 with 10 minutes left and the game is for all intents and purposes over, "stats" for the remainder of the game mean nothing. Since you didn't answer my question and provide the numbers for when the game was actually a game, I'll assume they don't make our offensive performance look all that good.

[goldeneagle91114]

When was there garbage time stat building? Both teams played their starters through to the end.

I think his point was that at half we were done by 9 and from that point on Seton Hall never looked back. Willard also made a comment about how he didn't like how his team became complacent and allowed Marquette to make a little run at the end. Also made it sound like stopped trying after they were up 20+ most of the half.

[4everwarriors]

Markus is Woj's hope to cover up chitty recruitin'. Overall talent level has sucked. Seriously wonder if Woj and his staff can evaluate talent and what he needs to move the team up to the next level. Or does he strike out in pursuit of talent, hey?

[The Sultan]

Markus is Woj's hope to cover up chitty recruitin'. Overall talent level has sucked. Seriously wonder if Woj and his staff can evaluate talent and what he needs to move the team up to the next level. Or does he strike out in pursuit of talent, hey?

I think it's the latter.  He had some misses, possibly due to the Hausers standing in the way.  But he has made up for that with this class.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Regardless of who is in the game a team's intensity (especially on defense) tends to wane when a game billed as dog fight turns into a rout. I'm not impressed with how we looked when SH was standing around waiting for the game to end. When a home team favorite is down 24 with 10 minutes left and the game is for all intents and purposes over, "stats" for the remainder of the game mean nothing. Since you didn't answer my question and provide the numbers for when the game was actually a game, I'll assume they don't make our offensive performance look all that good.

That's a bad assumption on your part. I don't have the data. The only way to calculate that would be to manually go through the play by play and count the made and missed FGs. If you would like to do that to prove your point, please be my guest. I would assume they aren't as good as the final numbers but still good offense.

The game was in question until the final 25 seconds. If Seton Hall fell asleep at the wheel then credit to MU for continuing to fight and take advantage. My experience is that it doesn't matter what the score is, teams can lose intensity on defense whether they are winning, losing, or in a neck and neck game.

[Aircraftcarrier]

Wojo inability to recruit quality guards besides Markus is a problem.People can say  what they want but it is still a guards game.It is very troubling that with Markus graduating that Wojo could not bring in a top tier guard in the fall recruiting class.Hoping the Spring brings one in.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

This is a very weird time to be criticizing Markus' play. The offense yesterday was excellent. Our 79 points was the second most scored against Seton Hall this season (first was 87 by Creighton). We only had 9 turnovers. We had 16 offensive rebounds to their 23 defensive rebounds. We shot an eFG% of 51% (Seton Hall's opponents have shot 44% eFG% against them this season). The few times the offense looked bad it was because Markus distributed to other players and they missed open shots.

The problem yesterday was defense and Markus spent most of the night guarding Quincy McKnight who went 2/8 from the floor.

This of course is following a game against Georgetown where he put on a passing and scoring clinic.

You can think Wojo's offensive system is bad or has been a detriment to the team, that's fine. But to connect it to yesterday's loss is just incorrect.

Well said, as i have said their bad three point shooters shot tge lights out from three, what can you do?  Nothing, you tip your cap.  To which the bball know nothings say wojo is a bad coach or that he needs to adjust, now that is ignorance.

[mu03eng]

Markus doesn't shoot enough actually, so there is that.

Wojo went with a high usage offense this year focused on Markus and it has generally worked but in the big games we just haven't gotten anything from the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th bananas on the team. Is that on Wojo, I'm sure some of it is but it's also on the players just not stepping up in big game situations which is on them.

Our fans come across as entitled when they call Theo John soft or say Markus is selfish. If you think that "restraining" Markus for the better of the team  results in more wins this year you are insane. This team has talent but what about the talent says they can deliver day in day out like Markus can. The offensive strategy this year is let Markus cook and get solid, average to above average performances from 2 of the following: Sacar, Koby, Bailey, Cain, Theo, Jayce. Unfortunately in the big games that group tends to not step up.

Lastly, please note Markus' game against Georgetown....he has 7 assists because his teammates were hitting shots. He could have had 6 or 7 against Seton Hall if his teammates could have hit open shots.

[mu03eng]

Wojo inability to recruit quality guards besides Markus is a problem.People can say  what they want but it is still a guards game.It is very troubling that with Markus graduating that Wojo could not bring in a top tier guard in the fall recruiting class.Hoping the Spring brings one in.

Wojo is very much in on Karim Mane who, if he doesn't go straight to the NBA, is a one and done type of PG.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Wojo inability to recruit quality guards besides Markus is a problem.People can say  what they want but it is still a guards game.It is very troubling that with Markus graduating that Wojo could not bring in a top tier guard in the fall recruiting class.Hoping the Spring brings one in.

Agree koby is terrible and while he has alit if defenders Sacar is well below avg too.  Hard to win against good team with those two in starting lineup, they are poor shooters, bad passers, poor finishers and bad ball handlers n not overly quick.  Both play solid defense but good defense should be a given by junior year.  Greg is playing at maybe 80% n still limping

[mu03eng]

Nightmare

You nailed it: The fact that 40% of any organization's best talent walks away is disturbing.

Don't try to reason with the intellectually challenged. It's a fool's game.

I'd ordinarily agree with you, but I'm not going to fully blame Wojo for not kowtowing to one player and losing the brother out of family loyalty.

[Aircraftcarrier]

Being in and getting them are different.He was very much in on Quentin Grimes,Nico Mannion and RJ Davis also.Should have been able to land a quality guard in the fall with Markus being gone

[mu03eng]

Agree koby is terrible and while he has alit if defenders Sacar is well below avg too.  Hard to win against good team with those two in starting lineup, they are poor shooters, bad passers, poor finishers and bad ball handlers n not overly quick.  Both play solid defense but good defense should be a given by junior year.  Greg is playing at maybe 80% n still limping

Koby has been bad, but Sacar is generally a very solid player....not sure why you have to tear Sacar down here.

[mu03eng]

Being in and getting them are different.He was very much in on Quentin Grimes,Nico Mannion and RJ Davis also.Should have been able to land a quality guard in the fall with Markus being gone

Kind of like being able to use a space bar?

Symir Torrence will be a very solid player. We'll see what Dexter Akinno has to offer after taking the Sacar development year. If Greg fully heals and stays health we'll have a great guard there. Wojo has two more scholarships to fill, if he gets Mane, we are extremely solid.

TL;DR we don't have enough data on next seasons roster to make the call yet.

[MUfan12]

Markus is Woj's hope to cover up chitty recruitin'. Overall talent level has sucked. Seriously wonder if Woj and his staff can evaluate talent and what he needs to move the team up to the next level. Or does he strike out in pursuit of talent, hey?

This is it.

MU has bigs that struggle to finish, and guards (outside of Markus) that can't create.

[cheebs09]

Koby has been bad, but Sacar is generally a very solid player....not sure why you have to tear Sacar down here.

I think this where the Hauser departure hurt the most. It bumped everyone up a rung. I really like what Sacar brings to the table, but he's not quite consistent enough to be a #2.

[StateStreetMission]

Well said, as i have said their bad three point shooters shot tge lights out from three, what can you do?  Nothing, you tip your cap.  To which the bball know nothings say wojo is a bad coach or that he needs to adjust, now that is ignorance.

Their 3 point shooting 13/26. scorched us for sure.
My eye test told me that Mamu was the biggest factor on Sat.
A check of the box score confirmed it.   Inside or outside he was unstoppable

[Aircraftcarrier]

mu03eng.Your mu should be capitalized

[Mr. Nielsen]

I thought the crowd did very well at being at their seats at 1:13pm for Senior Day. Place had to be more than half full at that time.

[MUfan12]

Final average attendance number- 15,145. Should be good enough for top 15 again nationally.

A lot of programs would love to have fans that suck as much as Marquette's.