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Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« on: February 10, 2020, 06:33:52 PM »
« Last Edit: February 11, 2020, 07:32:12 AM by mu_hilltopper »

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2020, 06:39:10 AM »
Big jump Frosh to Soph.  Did anyone else notice that, with the exception of Butler and a couple of cupcakes,  that BB's best offensive games were in losses?

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2020, 07:13:10 AM »
He still defers.
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2020, 07:36:33 AM »
He still defers.

Eye test, but he seems to be demanding the ball more on open 3s. Needs more of a dribble drive still, but has done less deferring as of late
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2020, 08:32:01 AM »
Brendan has improved a lot this year.  I didn't see it coming, as I didn't see a lot in his game last year.

I don't see him being an "all-time great" at MU, but he's rounding into a nice complementary player, playing well off of all of the attention thrown at Markus.  Confidence is growing.

He's a good spot up 3 point shooter, and showing some ability to drive to mid-range and hit pull up jumper.  However, his dribble drive game is definitely an area for improvement, which would help his FT rate.   Defense has been really good.  He'll be 23.5 years old next year, and will need to once again be an improved player for MU to have another successful season.
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2020, 08:37:07 AM »
Credit where credit is due.

I couldn’t stand Bailey last year. So many poor shots and some overall bad decision making.

His shot selection has improved this year and he is making more of them. Also a factor on the glass. Big improvement, and so good to see.

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2020, 08:41:31 AM »
When Brendan is aggressive and confident, he is very good. The improvement is common from Frosh to Soph, but it is also common with some players who go on a two year Mormon Mission and return to hoop.

I like Brendan's shot better this season, not missing long as frewuently, getting underneath the ball more often. If Brendan can keep shooting with confidence, finishing at the rim, to go along with his rebounding and defense, he will be a big factor and help moving forward.
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2020, 08:45:19 AM »
Definitely should red shirt. Hasn't had enough time off from the game yet.
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2020, 08:49:26 AM »
While it has not been a straight line, Brendan has been a different ballplayer following the sequence when wimped out at the rim followed a game or two later when he dunked on the same play with authority.  I can almost hear the phone call from Thurl between those two.

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2020, 08:56:42 AM »
but wojo doesn't develop players

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2020, 09:01:25 AM »
Brendan has improved a lot this year.  I didn't see it coming, as I didn't see a lot in his game last year.

I don't see him being an "all-time great" at MU, but he's rounding into a nice complementary player, playing well off of all of the attention thrown at Markus.  Confidence is growing.

He's a good spot up 3 point shooter, and showing some ability to drive to mid-range and hit pull up jumper.  However, his dribble drive game is definitely an area for improvement, which would help his FT rate.   Defense has been really good.  He'll be 23.5 years old next year, and will need to once again be an improved player for MU to have another successful season.
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2020, 09:29:30 AM »
While it has not been a straight line, Brendan has been a different ballplayer following the sequence when wimped out at the rim followed a game or two later when he dunked on the same play with authority.  I can almost hear the phone call from Thurl between those two.

Excellent point, glow!

Brendan has improved a lot this year.  I didn't see it coming, as I didn't see a lot in his game last year.

80 Scoopers DID see it coming.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59053.0;all

And those were just the folks who voted in the poll. I'm sure there were many, many others.

Bailey's PT increased near the end of his freshman season because unlike Pouty McPouterson, he could play some defense. So it wasn't that big a leap to think that with him getting much of the PT that Pouty had received, he would improve a lot.

And hell, he probably would have improved even more if only it weren't for ...

but wojo doesn't develop players

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2020, 09:35:50 AM »
Excellent point, glow!

80 Scoopers DID see it coming.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59053.0;all

And those were just the folks who voted in the poll. I'm sure there were many, many others.

Bailey's PT increased near the end of his freshman season because unlike Pouty McPouterson, he could play some defense. So it wasn't that big a leap to think that with him getting much of the PT that Pouty had received, he would improve a lot.

And hell, he probably would have improved even more if only it weren't for ...

Who knew? The Scoop Intelligencia was right.

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2020, 09:37:21 AM »
I think he will be our leading scorer next year and may even start appearing on 2nd round draft boards.  He has the size and the shot.  Needs to show more aggressiveness.
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2020, 09:42:41 AM »
I was excited about his upside after last season and very happy to see it happen. To me, he is athletic, a true basketball player and knows the game. Looking forward to further improvement during his career at MU.

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2020, 09:59:39 AM »
I think he will be our leading scorer next year and may even start appearing on 2nd round draft boards.  He has the size and the shot.  Needs to show more aggressiveness.

Averaging 8 points and 5.7 rebounds, I do not see him yet on any NBA boards.  Long way to go, needs to improve to 14 and 6, then lets talk about the NBA.

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2020, 10:06:53 AM »
Averaging 8 points and 5.7 rebounds, I do not see him yet on any NBA boards.  Long way to go, needs to improve to 14 and 6, then lets talk about the NBA.

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2020, 10:08:54 AM »
Excellent point, glow!

80 Scoopers DID see it coming.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59053.0;all

And those were just the folks who voted in the poll. I'm sure there were many, many others.

Bailey's PT increased near the end of his freshman season because unlike Pouty McPouterson, he could play some defense. So it wasn't that big a leap to think that with him getting much of the PT that Pouty had received, he would improve a lot.

And hell, he probably would have improved even more if only it weren't for ...

No offense to Brendan, but he wasn't very good last year - to vote on "improvement" as it related to options in that poll - really only Cain and Bailey were viable options. 

What has surprised me is how much better he's been this year.  Likely a function of now being 18 months removed from mission, and in program, along with being nearly 22.6 years old.  For context Cain is 20.8 years old.
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2020, 10:13:30 AM »
No offense to Brendan, but he wasn't very good last year - to vote on "improvement" as it related to options in that poll - really only Cain and Bailey were viable options. 

What has surprised me is how much better he's been this year.  Likely a function of now being 18 months removed from mission, and in program, along with being nearly 22.6 years old.  For context Cain is 20.8 years old.

What person keeps that close of track on age that they're 22.6 and 20.8 years old. That's like when kids say "I'm 5 and a half!"
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2020, 10:27:26 AM »
After Juan getting on the Warriors anything's possible
My thoughts exactly.
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2020, 10:28:54 AM »
After Juan getting on the Warriors anything's possible

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2020, 10:29:23 AM »
Averaging 8 points and 5.7 rebounds, I do not see him yet on any NBA boards.  Long way to go, needs to improve to 14 and 6, then lets talk about the NBA.


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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2020, 10:32:44 AM »
No offense to Brendan, but he wasn't very good last year - to vote on "improvement" as it related to options in that poll - really only Cain and Bailey were viable options. 

What has surprised me is how much better he's been this year.  Likely a function of now being 18 months removed from mission, and in program, along with being nearly 22.6 years old.  For context Cain is 20.8 years old.

Attaboy, Ners. Way to not give anybody else credit for being right while arguing you were justified for being wrong.

I bet you've been doing that since you were 8.24057739 years old!

Also, way to make sure Wojo and his assistants get little to no credit for Bailey's improvement.

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2020, 10:49:00 AM »
The most encouraging thing I saw from BB last year was the thing most seemed to dislike about him; he was always ready to shoot. I thought it showed a great deal of confidence which every great player must have. I love his all around game and I think he can be the best two way player on the roster.
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2020, 12:20:01 PM »
I think he will be our leading scorer next year and may even start appearing on 2nd round draft boards.  He has the size and the shot.  Needs to show more aggressiveness.

Just don't see him being the leading scorer. 13/16.5 to 14.5/18 usage/%shots frosh & soph year, with 64%+ mins this year... wouldn't mind see the %Shots up to 22%ish... but is it reasonable to expect that?.. and does that even get you there? ehh, stretch.

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2020, 12:32:10 PM »
Check out the improvement from year 1 to year 2.


http://www.barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2020&p=Brendan%20Bailey&t=Marquette


Thanks, Mark. Bailey was the main reason why I, and several others here, thought MU had the possibility to be better with the loss of those 2 guys who quit on us.

Early this season, I thought maybe we were wrong, but it is looking pretty good now. I think Glow was spot on about the missed dunk chance turning around his season. I love the confidence he is playing with now and hope it continues into the post-season.
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2020, 02:00:36 PM »
Attaboy, Ners. Way to not give anybody else credit for being right while arguing you were justified for being wrong.

I bet you've been doing that since you were 8.24057739 years old!

Also, way to make sure Wojo and his assistants get little to no credit for Bailey's improvement.

Sorry you chose to interpret my comments in the wrong way.  I understand your pre-disposition to take offense to my posts that do not heap praise on Wojo.


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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2020, 02:04:41 PM »

Thanks, Mark. Bailey was the main reason why I, and several others here, thought MU had the possibility to be better with the loss of those 2 guys who quit on us.

Early this season, I thought maybe we were wrong, but it is looking pretty good now. I think Glow was spot on about the missed dunk chance turning around his season. I love the confidence he is playing with now and hope it continues into the post-season.

For those that don’t know......PRPG is basically the basketball equivalent of the baseball WAR stat

It stands for points above replacement player at a given usage.......Markus leads the country in this stat so far this season.
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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2020, 02:11:40 PM »
For those that don’t know......PRPG is basically the basketball equivalent of the baseball WAR stat

It stands for points above replacement player at a given usage.......Larkus leads the country in this stat so far this season.

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2020, 10:20:01 PM »
Bailey showed his lack of consistency tonight, going from 16 and 8 to zero points and a few boards.  He is a key figure for MU down the stretch, has to bring more to the table.  Not sold he can do that, he will see. Nice to see Cain have a good game.

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Re: Bailey improvement from year 1 to 2
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2020, 10:21:01 PM »
Bailey showed his lack of consistency tonight, going from 16 and 8 to zero points and a few boards.  He is a key figure for MU down the stretch, has to bring more to the table.  Not sold he can do that, he will see. Nice to see Cain have a good game.

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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2020, 10:24:09 PM »
Excellent point, glow!

80 Scoopers DID see it coming.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59053.0;all

And those were just the folks who voted in the poll. I'm sure there were many, many others.

Bailey's PT increased near the end of his freshman season because unlike Pouty McPouterson, he could play some defense. So it wasn't that big a leap to think that with him getting much of the PT that Pouty had received, he would improve a lot.

And hell, he probably would have improved even more if only it weren't for ...



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