Bob Knight returns to Assembly Hall

[tower912]

Not a dry eye in the house.   My wife, the Hoosier fan, openly crying.

Very frail.

[withoutbias]

Some people are getting choked up.

[Uncle Rico]

Some people are getting choked up.

I get it

[WI inferiority Complexes]

If Bob Knight's in poor health, he should just learn to relax and enjoy it.

[Cheeks]

If Bob Knight's in poor health, he should just learn to relax and enjoy it.

He is.  He's been campaigning for his causes, seeing old friends, taking a victory lap.  He scared the hell out of me the one year I was in the athletic department there, he scared most there.  He was a brilliant basketball coach.

[Uncle Rico]

If Bob Knight's in poor health, he should just learn to relax and enjoy it.

I get this one, too

[Uncle Rico]

https://www.crimsonquarry.com/2020/2/8/21129377/a-warm-blanket-bob-knight-return-to-bloomington

[The Sultan]

https://www.crimsonquarry.com/2020/2/8/21129377/a-warm-blanket-bob-knight-return-to-bloomington

Nice article.

[Cheeks]

https://www.crimsonquarry.com/2020/2/8/21129377/a-warm-blanket-bob-knight-return-to-bloomington

Reminds me of Gayle King talking about Kobe Bryant with Lisa Leslie this week about sexual assault and then people going batshat crazy to attack her online for doing so.....interesting videos by SnoopDog and others claiming they will get her for bringing it up....

[Uncle Rico]

Reminds me of Gayle King talking about Kobe Bryant with Lisa Leslie this week about sexual assault and then people going batshat crazy to attack her online for doing so.....interesting videos by SnoopDog and others claiming they will get her for bringing it up....

Reminds me of Bobby Knight holding a grudge for 20 years because he got fired for putting his hands on a student.  Nice to see the decrepit old man on the court today.  A reminder no man is bigger than an institution

[MU82]

So inspired, Indiana lost an important home game to a Purdue team that couldn't buy a road win.

Fire Bobby again!

Fire Archie!

Good result for our Warriors.

[Uncle Rico]

So inspired, Indiana lost an important home game to a Purdue team that couldn't buy a road win.

Fire Bobby again!

Fire Archie!

Good result for our Warriors.

Great to see Gene Keady there, a true gentleman

[dgies9156]

I'm happy to see an effort at reconciliation there.

Bob Knight made Hoosier Basketball. That 1976 team was painful to watch against us -- because they were SOOOOOOOOOOO good. He recruited, disciplined and won. In the end, that's what you want.

Coach Knight never physically hurt anyone and he was just as belligerent as Al was at times. The difference was Al did it in practice and, with one exception after a Kansas State tournament game, he didn't do it with recorders rolling or cameras on. Al also had a smug, sarcastic approach to how he did what he did.

Here's hoping Coach Knight is always revered at Indiana the way Al is here.

[The Sultan]

I'm happy to see an effort at reconciliation there.

Bob Knight made Hoosier Basketball. That 1976 team was painful to watch against us -- because they were SOOOOOOOOOOO good. He recruited, disciplined and won. In the end, that's what you want.

Coach Knight never physically hurt anyone and he was just as belligerent as Al was at times. The difference was Al did it in practice and, with one exception after a Kansas State tournament game, he didn't do it with recorders rolling or cameras on. Al also had a smug, sarcastic approach to how he did what he did.

Here's hoping Coach Knight is always revered at Indiana the way Al is here.

Knight literally choked someone. Al was a much better and gracious man. Not even comparable.

[The Sultan]

Reminds me of Gayle King talking about Kobe Bryant with Lisa Leslie this week about sexual assault and then people going batshat crazy to attack her online for doing so.....interesting videos by SnoopDog and others claiming they will get her for bringing it up....

God you are the worst. Just stick to the topic for once without bringing up politics.

[Uncle Rico]

God you are the worst. Just stick to the topic for once without bringing up politics.

Some people are okay with "just win, baby"

[MU82]

I'm happy to see an effort at reconciliation there.

Bob Knight made Hoosier Basketball. That 1976 team was painful to watch against us -- because they were SOOOOOOOOOOO good. He recruited, disciplined and won. In the end, that's what you want.

Coach Knight never physically hurt anyone and he was just as belligerent as Al was at times. The difference was Al did it in practice and, with one exception after a Kansas State tournament game, he didn't do it with recorders rolling or cameras on. Al also had a smug, sarcastic approach to how he did what he did.

Here's hoping Coach Knight is always revered at Indiana the way Al is here.

You do know that Bobby literally choked somebody, and then he tried to cover it up, and then he lied about it, and then the school tried to justify it, right?

He only got fired after he roughed up another student, one who wasn't even on the basketball team.

He was a bully and a boor, and as soon as college basketball changed some - as soon as recruits realized, "There are a lot of good programs out there where the head coaches don't physically and mentally abuse their athletes" - Bobby's recruiting dried up and he became just another good X-and-O guy who didn't have the talent to win.

In his last 6 years at Indiana, this all-time coaching god, working at the bluest of bluebloods, had such piss-poor talent that he could only win a total of 2 NCAA tournament games.

[HutchwasClutch]

He only got fired after he roughed up another student, one who wasn't even on the basketball team.

That student and his father's account is highly disputed and not even close to verified.  Mike Davis denied it as vehemently as Coach Knight did.

[tower912]

Which is the source of Knight's estrangement.   He felt he was fired due to lies.

[HutchwasClutch]

You do know that Bobby literally choked somebody, and then he tried to cover it up, and then he lied about it, and then the school tried to justify it, right?

He only got fired after he roughed up another student, one who wasn't even on the basketball team.

He was a bully and a boor, and as soon as college basketball changed some - as soon as recruits realized, "There are a lot of good programs out there where the head coaches don't physically and mentally abuse their athletes" - Bobby's recruiting dried up and he became just another good X-and-O guy who didn't have the talent to win.

In his last 6 years at Indiana, this all-time coaching god, working at the bluest of bluebloods, had such piss-poor talent that he could only win a total of 2 NCAA tournament games.

Yes many of his tactics were wrong. He was often a boor and a bully. No argument there. His behavior was many times indefensible.

But he ran squeaky clean programs, made sure his players were actual student athletes, and was loyal and good to friends and many former players.  He was a conflicted personality in many ways.

He was also a brilliant basketball mind.

[The Sultan]

Yes many of his tactics were wrong. He was often a boor and a bully. No argument there. His behavior was many times indefensible.

But he ran squeaky clean programs, made sure his players were actual student athletes, and was loyal and good to friends and many former players.  He was a conflicted personality in many ways.

He was also a brilliant basketball mind.

"Mussolini made the triains run on time."

The problem I have isn't the acknowledgement that he was a complicated man with both positives and negatives, but that talking heads, and people like dgies, lift up the positives with reverance while ignoring the negatives.

[MU82]

That student and his father's account is highly disputed and not even close to verified.  Mike Davis denied it as vehemently as Coach Knight did.

Please. There actually are people who dispute him having throttled Neil Reed, even though it was caught on film for all to see.

Yes many of his tactics were wrong. He was often a boor and a bully. No argument there. His behavior was many times indefensible.

But he ran squeaky clean programs, made sure his players were actual student athletes, and was loyal and good to friends and many former players.  He was a conflicted personality in many ways.

He was also a brilliant basketball mind.

All true. Just don't physically and mentally abuse people and expect for everybody to get down on their knees and worship you.

Many will do such worshiping no matter what, because for many winning is all that matters, but many are repulsed by that behavior. Among the many repulsed were recruits and their parents, who ran to other programs over the last half-dozen years of his time at Indiana.

[real chili 83]

"Mussolini made the triains run on time."

The problem I have isn't the acknowledgement that he was a complicated man with both positives and negatives, but that talking heads, and people like dgies, lift up the positives with reverance while ignoring the negatives.

Obtuse as Chico's can be, perhaps that's his point about Kobe.

[dgies9156]

Look, Coach Knight won multiple Nattys for a university that never before had sniffed that level of success. I get that Coach Knight had some bad behavior along the way. Candidly, most coaches do. His was more physical and more overt.

Though, gang, I would note that legend has it that Coach Al and one of his players were engaged in a fist fight in the mid 1970s. Yet, we still celebrate Coach Al.

Look, nobody is saying Coach Knight is perfect. He's far from it. If sainthood is a basis for honoring someone, we'll honor nobody. Coach Knight should be rêvered not for the whole package but for the good he did.

[The Sultan]

Look, Coach Knight won multiple Nattys for a university that never before had sniffed that level of success.

Not accurate.  Branch McCracken won multiple national championships at Indiana.

Look, nobody is saying Coach Knight is perfect. He's far from it. If sainthood is a basis for honoring someone, we'll honor nobody. Coach Knight should be rêvered not for the whole package but for the good he did.

No one is saying you have to be a saint.  Your initial posts was completely innaccurate.  He did hurt someone physically.  He hurt many others emotionallly.  Again, I am all for acknowledging someone's positives, but don't whitewash his negatives like you did.

[Warrior Code]

Look, Coach Knight won multiple Nattys for a university that never before had sniffed that level of success. I get that Coach Knight had some bad behavior along the way. Candidly, most coaches do. His was more physical and more overt.

Though, gang, I would note that legend has it that Coach Al and one of his players were engaged in a fist fight in the mid 1970s. Yet, we still celebrate Coach Al.

Look, nobody is saying Coach Knight is perfect. He's far from it. If sainthood is a basis for honoring someone, we'll honor nobody. Coach Knight should be rêvered not for the whole package but for the good he did.

???
They won two titles before Knight ever set foot there.

[HutchwasClutch]

Please. There actually are people who dispute him having throttled Neil Reed, even though it was caught on film for all to see.

I didn't comment on the Reed incident. Stick to what I commented on. Some people if they dispute the Reed incident doesn't makes your baseless statement about the other student run in any more true or give it credibility . You're changing the subject to prop up your statement that has zero evidence behind it.  You hate Knight, we get it, but you're letting that bias get in the way of what is presented as truth.

[Cheeks]

God you are the worst. Just stick to the topic for once without bringing up politics.

Please point out what was political?  Not a damn thing. 

[Cheeks]

The problem I have isn't the acknowledgement that he was a complicated man with both positives and negatives, but that talking heads, and people like dgies, lift up the positives with reverance while ignoring the negatives.

Exactly.....which is why I mentioned the Gayle King Lisa Leslie story.....because of your paragraph right there....Could not be more apples to apples.

Complicated histories for two men based on their athletic accomplishments and controversial actions.


https://pagesix.com/2020/02/06/gayle-king-furious-with-cbs-for-viral-interview-about-kobe-bryant-rape-case/

[Goose]

Goose cried. An important figure in the landscape of college ball and had a love/hate relationship with Bobby Knight. That said, I drove to Chicago Stadium to witness Michael Jordan and did the same with Coach Knight and Assembly Hall. In both cases, I made a decision to visit greatness in their house.
Knight was flawed, but respected by many. I cannot ignore the flaws, or his beating my Warriors, but his accomplishments are to be noted.

[Cheeks]

Look, Coach Knight won multiple Nattys for a university that never before had sniffed that level of success. I get that Coach Knight had some bad behavior along the way. Candidly, most coaches do. His was more physical and more overt.

Though, gang, I would note that legend has it that Coach Al and one of his players were engaged in a fist fight in the mid 1970s. Yet, we still celebrate Coach Al.

Look, nobody is saying Coach Knight is perfect. He's far from it. If sainthood is a basis for honoring someone, we'll honor nobody. Coach Knight should be rêvered not for the whole package but for the good he did.

Only our beloved coach is allowed to assault our players, other beloved coaches may not do so to theirs.


He was boorish....he had the entire department on eggshells.  That said, most (not all) of his former players knew what he was doing and he made them better players and men.  People may not like the means by which he did it, but those players love him dearly.

[Uncle Rico]

Only our beloved coach is allowed to assault our players, other beloved coaches may not do so to theirs.


He was boorish....he had the entire department on eggshells.  That said, most (not all) of his former players knew what he was doing and he made them better players and men.  People may not like the means by which he did it, but those players love him dearly.

Just win, baby

[Cheeks]

Obtuse as Chico's can be, perhaps that's his point about Kobe.

Fluffy Sultan couldn't see it

[The Sultan]

Fluffy Sultan couldn't see it

Liar.

[Cheeks]

Just win, baby

Except I supported his dismissal and did not like his antics at all....but yes, some support it because they are winning.

[The Sultan]

Exactly.....which is why I mentioned the Gayle King Lisa Leslie story.....because of your paragraph right there....Could not be more apples to apples.

Complicated histories for two men based on their athletic accomplishments and controversial actions.


https://pagesix.com/2020/02/06/gayle-king-furious-with-cbs-for-viral-interview-about-kobe-bryant-rape-case/

Liar

[The Sultan]

Please point out what was political?  Not a damn thing. 

Liar

[Cheeks]

Liar.

You got caught making a political complaint that wasn't there......and now you resort to your nonsense.  No surprise.

What's a matter, couldn't drive down 2 hours for NMD?  Sad

[The Sultan]

You got caught making a political complaint that wasn't there......and now you resort to your nonsense.  No surprise.

What's a matter, couldn't drive down 2 hours for NMD?  Sad

You know what you're doing. I see through your bullsh*t.

Liar.

[Cheeks]

Obtuse as Chico's can be, perhaps that's his point about Kobe.

As you can see by the pontiff's response, he is incapable of acknowledging the obvious parallel.

[The Sultan]

As you can see by the pontiff's response, he is incapable of acknowledging the obvious parallel.

Keep backtracking.

[Cheeks]

https://www.rome2rio.com/s/De-Pere/Milwaukee

[Billy Hoyle]

Knight literally choked someone. Al was a much better and gracious man. Not even comparable.

He even kicked his own son during a game on the sidelines and head butted another. Class guy.

https://www.chron.com/sports/college-basketball-men/article/List-of-incidents-involving-Bob-Knight-1849372.php

[Cheeks]

He even kicked his own son during a game on the sidelines and head butted another. Class guy.

https://www.chron.com/sports/college-basketball-men/article/List-of-incidents-involving-Bob-Knight-1849372.php

I went to school with Pat Knight.  Like his dad, had a temper.

[dgies9156]

???
They won two titles before Knight ever set foot there.

OK, ancient history. But they were a blue blood BECAUSE of Coach Knight. They certainly did not see the level of sustained success that Coach Knight brought them. And if they haven't, celebrate him too!

If Coach Wojo wins a natty for us, and I hope he does soon, I think the Benny B Thunderdome Might finally get built and name the WojoCenter! Mojos notwithstanding!

[Cheeks]

Zero backtracking...No reason to.  You are simply wrong and will not admit it.

[Pakuni]

Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
The question Bob Knight had for his son before the long-anticipated return to Assembly Hall:
"Will there be any a--holes there?"


The answer, of course, is 'Yes.' There's at least one a--hole everywhere Bob Knight goes.

[Billy Hoyle]

I went to school with Pat Knight.  Like his dad, had a temper.

That justified kicking him during a game?

[MU82]

I didn't comment on the Reed incident. Stick to what I commented on. Some people if they dispute the Reed incident doesn't makes your baseless statement about the other student run in any more true or give it credibility . You're changing the subject to prop up your statement that has zero evidence behind it.  You hate Knight, we get it, but you're letting that bias get in the way of what is presented as truth.

What "truth"? You have offered no proof that the assault wasn't real. Given Bobby's history of bullying and abusive behavior, I have absolutely no reason to believe it didn't happen.

And he did throttle Reed, and lied about it.

He verbally assaulted a volunteer at the NCAA tournament - mercilessly went after somebody just because he knew he could bully the young man. It was disgusting. He should have been suspended.

Many examples of this kind of behavior, and I am thrilled that recruits and their parents wised up and ran away from Bloomington. He didn't deserve to coach them.

And yes, you are right. I am biased against grown men who physically and mentally abuse those they consider weaker because their status as "institutions" lets them get away with it.

Coach Knight should be rêvered not for the whole package but for the good he did.

We will agree to disagree, dg. I do not think this bully should be revered at all.

[Cheeks]

That justified kicking him during a game?

Nope

[Cheeks]

We will agree to disagree, dg. I do not think this bully should be revered at all.

Pretend it was someone else and was responsible for some major changes (e.g. the law or policies), but did some things in the past that were wrong....would you feel the same?  I could provide some examples.

[Billy Hoyle]

What "truth"? You have offered no proof that the assault wasn't real. Given Bobby's history of bullying and abusive behavior, I have absolutely no reason to believe it didn't happen.

And he did throttle Reed, and lied about it.

He verbally assaulted a volunteer at the NCAA tournament - mercilessly went after somebody just because he knew he could bully the young man. It was disgusting. He should have been suspended.

Many examples of this kind of behavior, and I am thrilled that recruits and their parents wised up and ran away from Bloomington. He didn't deserve to coach them.

And yes, you are right. I am biased against grown men who physically and mentally abuse those they consider weaker because their status as "institutions" lets them get away with it.

We will agree to disagree, dg. I do not think this bully should be revered at all.

Isn't he still wanted in Puerto Rico?

[Cheeks]

What "truth"? You have offered no proof that the assault wasn't real. Given Bobby's history of bullying and abusive behavior, I have absolutely no reason to believe it didn't happen.

And he did throttle Reed, and lied about it.

He verbally assaulted a volunteer at the NCAA tournament - mercilessly went after somebody just because he knew he could bully the young man. It was disgusting. He should have been suspended.

Many examples of this kind of behavior, and I am thrilled that recruits and their parents wised up and ran away from Bloomington. He didn't deserve to coach them.

And yes, you are right. I am biased against grown men who physically and mentally abuse those they consider weaker because their status as "institutions" lets them get away with it.

We will agree to disagree, dg. I do not think this bully should be revered at all.

Ok for Al to punch someone however.....

[keefe]

Goose cried.

Is that the same as, "Jesus wept?"

[Coleman]

When is IU bringing Crean back to Assembly Hall?

[The Sultan]

When is IU bringing Crean back to Assembly Hall?

After Mike Davis.  Before Kelvin Sampson.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

When is IU bringing Crean back to Assembly Hall?

If their MO stays the same, they'll wait until Crean's dementia is advanced enough that he doesn't understand where he is.

[wadesworld]

If their MO stays the same, they'll wait until Crean's dementia is advanced enough that he doesn't understand where he is.

I don't think that was IU's choice...