KenPom Update

[BallBoy]

We can't change history, but sure I'd love a lineup of Markus, McEwen, Sacar/Bailey, Sam and Theo, with Jayce, Bailey/Sacar, Elliott, Cain and Symir off the bench. Even Morrow as insurance, though he probably would have bolted.

Maybe Sacar grad-transfers if Sam stays but Joey goes? Maybe Cain leaves? I sure as heck don't pretend to know any of that stuff. But like you and so many other Scoopers, I'm a big Sam fan and sure wish there would have been a way to keep him even if The Pouty One had to go.

This post highlights my belief as to why Joey transferred. Your lineup doesn't list him and there is a good chance he doesn't start. We needed a Point Guard so Markus could play off ball. That shifts Sacar to the three.  I don't think we can have our best shutdown defender on the bench. This shifts Sam to the stretch four. This leaves the five spot for Joey. I don't think he starts over Jayce and Theo.

If you look at the latter stages of the season Bailey started to pick up more time and I think he gives Joey a run this year but I heard if Joey stayed then Bailey was listed as a potential transfer.

Regardless, Joey is competing with Sam for minutes. I think he saw this and other competition and mixed with his general desire to be on a bigger campus so he left.

Sam is a different story. As the senior, he was going to get his minutes but I think he was hurting and needed time to heal. He also knew that he needed to become quicker/stronger to take the next step so he transferred to give himself that break. He was able to go to a place which will highlight his skillset.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

NVM

[Sir Lawrence]

This post highlights my belief as to why Joey transferred. Your lineup doesn't list him and there is a good chance he doesn't start. We needed a Point Guard so Markus could play off ball. That shifts Sacar to the three.  I don't think we can have our best shutdown defender on the bench. This shifts Sam to the stretch four. This leaves the five spot for Joey. I don't think he starts over Jayce and Theo.

If you look at the latter stages of the season Bailey started to pick up more time and I think he gives Joey a run this year but I heard if Joey stayed then Bailey was listed as a potential transfer.

Regardless, Joey is competing with Sam for minutes. I think he saw this and other competition and mixed with his general desire to be on a bigger campus so he left.

Sam is a different story. As the senior, he was going to get his minutes but I think he was hurting and needed time to heal. He also knew that he needed to become quicker/stronger to take the next step so he transferred to give himself that break. He was able to go to a place which will highlight his skillset.

This is an excellent analysis. 

[tower912]

This is an excellent analysis.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58615.msg1124412#msg1124412

[AZMarqfan]

If you look at the latter stages of the season Bailey started to pick up more time and I think he gives Joey a run this year but I heard if Joey stayed then Bailey was listed as a potential transfer.

It was pretty obvious last year that while Joey was good enough to start, he often had long stretches where he looked lost on offense and defense.  By the end of the season, Bailey was being used to defend guards with his long wingspan and good lateral movement.  I always assumed that a major reason Joey left was because he saw he was competing directly with Bailey for time, and he saw Bailey growing into a preferred role.  Unfortunately he took Sam along with him. 

[Carl]

This conversation has turned pretty worthless but I do have an actual dumb question to hopefully derail it., mainly bc I honestly don't remember.  What exactly were the immediate recruiting/transfer ramifications when they left? Is Jayce the only transfer on the roster that came in immediately?

[MuMark]

Jayce is the only person we brought in after they left.......Sy also reclassified.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

On the topic of KenPom, he's now projecting us to go 11-7 in conference, was 10-8 prior to the Butler game.

[BallBoy]

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58615.msg1124412#msg1124412

I can quote my previous posts too but I am not that insecure.

[BallBoy]

It was pretty obvious last year that while Joey was good enough to start, he often had long stretches where he looked lost on offense and defense.  By the end of the season, Bailey was being used to defend guards with his long wingspan and good lateral movement.  I always assumed that a major reason Joey left was because he saw he was competing directly with Bailey for time, and he saw Bailey growing into a preferred role.  Unfortunately he took Sam along with him.

It could be true but I personally don't by the Joey took Sam thought process. If he did they land at the same school.

He has stated that neither side has to be right or wrong. He has retweeted some MU moments. I think it really was his decision to get healthy and play in a style that better showcased his strengths.

[warriorchick]

It could be true but I personally don't by the Joey took Sam thought process. If he did they land at the same school.

He has stated that neither side has to be right or wrong. He has retweeted some MU moments. I think it really was his decision to get healthy and play in a style that better showcased his strengths.

If that's the case, couldn't he have just redshirted at Marquette, and play after Markus graduates?  Maybe Wojo wouldn't have wanted him to, but if the choice was either redshirt him or have him leave, I can't imagine Wojo would have chosen the latter.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I can quote my previous posts too but I am not that insecure.

[BallBoy]

If that's the case, couldn't he have just redshirted at Marquette, and play after Markus graduates?  Maybe Wojo wouldn't have wanted him to, but if the choice was either redshirt him or have him leave, I can't imagine Wojo would have chosen the latter.

I put it as Health, skills improvement and style of play to strengthen pro odds. Add that together and he is looking for a new home.

There are always lots of different scenarios but I think he is the type of guy that couldn't sit without being forced to do so. If you read a few articles posted about his time at Virginia, he talks about how hard it is to not play since he has never missed a game. 

I think he "rushed" back for the start of last season. He made reference to his body not being ready. I don't know if at the start of this school year he wouldn't have changed his mind about playing.

He also would have been under more pressure due to the top 2 way too early ranking. Once people start to think about things sometimes other streams open up like if I am going to sit a year what will be the best place for me to make the league.

I think he also knows he needs to develop parts of his game. Sitting a year helps him do that.

In the interview with their high school coach he makes reference to how much they liked their time at MU and it wasn't unhappiness for them leaving. If we take him as someone that knows them well then I believe they were also looking out for their future. Something got Sam thinking about it otherwise why not grind out one year and go pro.

[wadesworld]

The meat lovers of Scoop have told us that Stan is to thank for preventing all the other guys who wanted to transfer out with the Hausers to get away from the All American cancer who might win National Player of the Year.  Why can't they just tell us who those guys were that were going to transfer that needed to be re-recruited by the assistant to go against their hate for their head coach and return to Marquette?  And tell us whether those same guys are the same ones who were leaving if the Hausers stayed anyway?

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

F the hausers
U guys still cryin about old girlfriends
When u got the belle of the ball cravin the tube steak?

[tower912]

I can quote my previous posts too but I am not that insecure.

Complimenting you for agreeing with an argument I made last April.

[Heisenberg]

On the topic of KenPom, he's now projecting us to go 11-7 in conference, was 10-8 prior to the Butler game.

We have seven conference games left.  We are favored in six (better than 50% to win).  The only game we are not favored is Nova (39% to win).

KenPom has us going 4-3 the rest of the way to finish 11-7 in the conference.

Yes, I understand probabilities and expected returns.  But given the way we are playing, I would be disappointed if we went 4-3 all rest of the way out.

[JakeBarnes]

We have seven conference games left.  We are favored in six (better than 50% to win).  The only game we are not favored is Nova (39% to win).

KenPom has us going 4-3 the rest of the way to finish 11-7 in the conference.

Yes, I understand probabilities and expected returns.  But given the way we are playing, I would be disappointed if we went 4-3 all rest of the way out.

I predicted 10-8 at the start. 11-7 would be great.

That said, I just hope we go 1-0 in our next game.

[Loose Cannon]

I predicted 10-8 at the start. 11-7 would be great.

That said, I just hope we go 1-0 in our next game.

Yep, one step at a time, doing it another way, more chance of Tripping.  Old adage: Look the ball into your Hands