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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2020, 04:27:15 PM »
I don't believe this was the original location highlighted in their master plan.  I think the rec center was going to go there with the new business building where Helfaer is now.

Plans like those always change though. 
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2020, 04:39:13 PM »
Any won else heer herd its gonna bee named, Ma and Pa School of Bizness, hey?
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2020, 04:42:06 PM »
I don't believe this was the original location highlighted in their master plan.  I think the rec center was going to go there with the new business building where Helfaer is now.

Plans like those always change though.

That’s correct. It was initially going to be connected to the Engineering School by Innovation Alley.

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2020, 04:45:06 PM »
Crap just posted on the other board, my apologies.
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2020, 04:57:19 PM »
I don't believe this was the original location highlighted in their master plan.  I think the rec center was going to go there with the new business building where Helfaer is now.

Plans like those always change though.

This will be the first classroom building on the north side of 16th, correct?

What happens to the much needed Rec Center? Maybe on the current Straz site or will Straz remain as a classroom building.  I can't think of other open spaces at this time and if the Rec Center comes down new tennis courts would be needed, increasing the footprint.

This would be a great chance to move some of the A&S programs to Straz and get rid of Lalumiere. Bigger and more buildings.
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2020, 05:18:35 PM »
This has been in the works in the currently announced configuration for over a year.  I believe but am not certain we learned of it in meetings last February.  There had been a bit of a delay in the announcement for reasons I can't elaborate on.  Sultan is correct that the original location was part of Innovation Alley along 16th.  Plans change.  Money talks.

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2020, 05:20:22 PM »
This will be the first classroom building on the north side of 16th, correct?

What happens to the much needed Rec Center? Maybe on the current Straz site or will Straz remain as a classroom building.  I can't think of other open spaces at this time and if the Rec Center comes down new tennis courts would be needed, increasing the footprint.

This would be a great chance to move some of the A&S programs to Straz and get rid of Lalumiere. Bigger and more buildings.

Lalu and Straz are both terrible. Really anything besides the new engineering building, law school, Schroeder/Cramer, and Cudahy are kinda crap.

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2020, 05:38:58 PM »
This has been in the works in the currently announced configuration for over a year.  I believe but am not certain we learned of it in meetings last February.  There had been a bit of a delay in the announcement for reasons I can't elaborate on.  Sultan is correct that the original location was part of Innovation Alley along 16th.  Plans change.  Money talks.

Correct. The strategy for the new B school changed about 3 years ago but the impetus for the change went away but the university kept studying it and realized it made a lot of sense so this has been in the silent funding mode for about 18 months and now that they reached a target funding level they were able to go to the BoT to.get the authorization to both go public(routine) and change the master plan(big deal). Approval happened this month.
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2020, 05:55:30 PM »
Lalu and Straz are both terrible. Really anything besides the new engineering building, law school, Schroeder/Cramer, and Cudahy are kinda crap.

One thing with MU is we don't have the greatest facilities. Blow up Lalimure and do a huge renovation of Straz since it has more capacity.

having a B school facility like this will definitely be a positive for MU in recruitment efforts.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2020, 06:16:15 PM by Billy Hoyle »
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2020, 06:26:33 PM »
A social sciences / humanities building always has two strikes against it. First, it doesn’t need to be cutting edge with equipment like a science or engineering building. And second, those majors often don’t generate high wealth alums who are going to write the checks.

Oh and third, those aren’t the “hot” majors that will attract students.
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2020, 06:41:04 PM »
I feel like you can at the very least make those building something like Sensenbrenner. It's not flashy, but the renovations done to it were very nice. Atriums with lots of windows to study in, decent enough classrooms.

At least I think it was Sensenbrenner, chick and glow can I get a confirmation on that?

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2020, 06:52:45 PM »
Any won else heer herd its gonna bee named, Ma and Pa School of Bizness, hey?

If it was, it certainly wouldn't be on the McCormick site.
Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2020, 07:39:30 PM »
If it was, it certainly wouldn't be on the McCormick site.

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2020, 07:55:01 PM »
Boom, eat it Marcus Lemonis!

If it were him, he would have put out about 30 press releases about it and bought advertising space on the Jumbotron to brag about it. The guy is nothing if not a self promoter.

Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2020, 08:22:52 PM »
If it was, it certainly wouldn't be on the McCormick site.

What site would you have chosen?

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2020, 08:36:28 PM »
The only b-school MU needs.


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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2020, 08:37:11 PM »
What site would you have chosen?

The original spot per the Strategic Plan, which south of the engineering building as part of Innovation Alley. New fitness center on McCormicks spot
For over 100,years, nearly all academics south of Wisconsin Avenue, most of everything else north of Wisconsin Avenue. Thanks to the ego of someone who, as I understand it, is no longer involved with the project, that's all shot to hell now.
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2020, 08:39:18 PM »
The original spot south of the engineering building as part of Innovation Alley. New fitness center on McCormicks spot
For over 100,years, nearly all academics south of Wisconsin Avenue, most of everything else north of Wisconsin Avenue. Thanks to the ego of someone, as I understand it, is no longer involved with the project, that's all shot to hell now.

I understand the innovation alley thing, but why do people care which side of the WI ave the academic vs. other buildings are located?

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2020, 08:45:16 PM »
I understand the innovation alley thing, but why do people care which side of the WI ave the academic vs. other buildings are located?

I kind of like the idea of study on the South Side, partly on the North Side.
Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2020, 08:53:51 PM »
The original spot south of the engineering building as part of Innovation Alley. New fitness center on McCormicks spot
For over 100,years, nearly all academics south of Wisconsin Avenue, most of everything else north of Wisconsin Avenue. Thanks to the ego of someone, as I understand it, is no longer involved with the project, that's all shot to hell now.

The new location is infinitely better than the old. Your opinion is a bad one.
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2020, 08:54:03 PM »
Feature the corner with your best buildings. Academics over recreation.
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2020, 09:01:15 PM »
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2020, 10:29:50 PM »
The new location is infinitely better than the old. Your opinion is a bad one.

Your opinion of my opinion is a bad one.
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2020, 10:38:06 PM »
The original spot per the Strategic Plan, which south of the engineering building as part of Innovation Alley. New fitness center on McCormicks spot
For over 100,years, nearly all academics south of Wisconsin Avenue, most of everything else north of Wisconsin Avenue. Thanks to the ego of someone who, as I understand it, is no longer involved with the project, that's all shot to hell now.

Chick, the new location is actually better if you look at it from a foot traffic and student pattern...plus while physical connection would have been nice this actually allows for my more focused builds while enabling collaboration.

Yes it started as ego, it's actually the right call

As Bob Ross would say "and theres a happy.little accident"
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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2020, 10:47:30 PM »
Yep, I like that location too.   

16th and Wisconsin is a premier, gateway location.   Great location for a great academic building.

Honestly, I had to think about the "no academics north of Wisconsin" so it's not like a magic rule never to be broken.

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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2020, 10:51:54 PM »
Chick, the new location is actually better if you look at it from a foot traffic and student pattern...plus while physical connection would have been nice this actually allows for my more focused builds while enabling collaboration.

Yes it started as ego, it's actually the right call

As Bob Ross would say "and theres a happy.little accident"

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2020, 10:54:02 PM »
Honestly, I had to think about the "no academics north of Wisconsin" so it's not like a magic rule never to be broken.

Well, again, other than the Varsity lectures and the new Athletic Human Performance Research Center the magic rule that was broken decades ago only to be broken again a year ago.

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2020, 11:11:30 PM »
Wasn't the Physicians Assistant program's building on Wells?  Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2020, 11:25:10 PM »
Why can't we build with a cohesive look in mind? Seemed like we had turned a corner on doing that

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Re: New building for the B school
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2020, 08:02:11 AM »
Why can't we build with a cohesive look in mind? Seemed like we had turned a corner on doing that

There's a basic design theme going on between Zilber, engineering and this proposal. They just keep on getting glassier.

I prefer to have similar style points, but I disliked campuses like Purdue & Indiana with the exact same construction throughout.
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2020, 08:07:03 AM »
Yeah and if yo waitin' on a bus at 16th, ya kan duck inta Biz Add ta warm up on a kold dey, aina?
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2020, 08:55:26 AM »
I don't think there is anything magical about Wisconsin Avenue as a dividing line between academic and non-academic.  It's clustered near engineering, library, etc.  It's not like its going to be on 17th and Wells.
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2020, 11:47:33 AM »
I don't believe this was the original location highlighted in their master plan.  I think the rec center was going to go there with the new business building where Helfaer is now.

Plans like those always change though.

This has been the planned location for over a year now. 

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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2020, 11:55:55 AM »
Well, again, other than the Varsity lectures and the new Athletic Human Performance Research Center the magic rule that was broken decades ago only to be broken again a year ago.

Heck, before 1975, the Journalism building was at 11th and Kilbourn. It moved to Johnston Hall in 1975.

Boy was that a walk to get to class on time. Especially on cold, snowy winter days.

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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2020, 09:20:25 AM »
Wasn't the Physicians Assistant program's building on Wells?  Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

I believe the physical therapy program is also based off of 17th and Wells.

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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2020, 09:55:31 AM »
The thing to keep in mind was the master plan that rolled out five years ago had the official stance of nothing academic north of Wisconsin, but nothing was built against that master plan.....until the B school that just got announced. Is it really a rule if it's never implemented and if the outside world didn't really even know about it? So the master plan has been tweaked some which is why it's taken so long to get the new B school announced but it's not like they are going back to square one

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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2020, 10:03:59 AM »
The thing to keep in mind was the master plan that rolled out five years ago had the official stance of nothing academic north of Wisconsin, but nothing was built against that master plan.....until the B school that just got announced. Is it really a rule if it's never implemented and if the outside world didn't really even know about it? So the master plan has been tweaked some which is why it's taken so long to get the new B school announced but it's not like they are going back to square one

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So again, you aren't counting the Athletic Human Performance Research Center? And has plans to expand?

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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2020, 10:13:44 AM »
So again, you aren't counting the Athletic Human Performance Research Center? And has plans to expand?

The athlete dorm on the west side of the building will look great.
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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2020, 10:33:44 AM »
So again, you aren't counting the Athletic Human Performance Research Center? And has plans to expand?


Wasn’t the original plan for that to be by the Ramada and a much different building? I don’t think the current building was in the Master Plan 5 years ago.

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« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2020, 10:39:37 AM »

Wasn’t the original plan for that to be by the Ramada and a much different building? I don’t think the current building was in the Master Plan 5 years ago.

I think there's a big pipeline (nh) that rins through one of the properties down that way,  and it is too expensive to move, so MU abandoned those plans.
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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2020, 11:16:45 AM »
Believe me, college / universities building master plans are *always* tweeked. 
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« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2020, 11:36:15 AM »

Wasn’t the original plan for that to be by the Ramada and a much different building? I don’t think the current building was in the Master Plan 5 years ago.

Yes, but Eng said nothing was built...but the first phase of athletics and research center went a year ago so the Master Plan had already changed before the Benny Biz Ad building was announced this week.  Minor nit but my point is that that idea (north of Wisconsin) was tossed a couple of years ago and the expansion had, in fact,  already occurred.

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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2020, 12:04:34 PM »
Yes, but Eng said nothing was built...but the first phase of athletics and research center went a year ago so the Master Plan had already changed before the Benny Biz Ad building was announced this week.  Minor nit but my point is that that idea (north of Wisconsin) was tossed a couple of years ago and the expansion had, in fact,  already occurred.

Research centers primary use is not academics
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« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2020, 12:37:30 PM »
Research centers primary use is not academics

I assume you mean not an instructional building, because a research center is an academic facility.
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« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2020, 12:51:49 PM »
I assume you mean not an instructional building, because a research center is an academic facility.

I am guessing he means its primary use is a team facility for LAX.

 

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