COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[The Sultan]

Someone hacked into your account and said she wasn't being helpful, she was just causing people to roll their eyes, and such. Saying that a deadly serious post from a well-informed nurse isn't helpful and causes people to just roll their eyes is ripping the post.

Sorry.  If her intention was to change people's minds, I doubt it helped.  If that's "pathetic" in your eyes....oh well... Hopefully she won't take offense.

[The Sultan]

And yet here we are ...

Yes here we are.  Not debating the merits of her argument, of which I think she is spot on, just the effectiveness of it, which I think is minimal.

[GooooMarquette]

Sorry.  If her intention was to change people's minds, I doubt it helped.  If that's "pathetic" in your eyes....oh well... Hopefully she won't take offense.

Re-read the post. I just did, while asking myself the question "what was she trying to accomplish?"

My conclusion: The tone and outright anger tells me that she wasn't trying to change peoples' minds, that she believed that would be futile anyway. Instead, I saw her simply trying to give us a clearer picture of what she and her colleagues saw every day, emotions and all. Venting, but with real-life facts.

[The Sultan]

Re-read the post. I just did, while asking myself the question "what was she trying to accomplish?"

My conclusion: The tone and outright anger tells me that she wasn't trying to change peoples' minds, that she believed that would be futile anyway. Instead, I saw her simply trying to give us a clearer picture of what she and her colleagues saw every day, emotions and all. Venting, but with real-life facts.

And that's fine.  Hell, I don't really care what her intent was anyway.  She can post whatever she wants for whatever reason.

[StillAWarrior]

Does anyone else find themselves watching a show an TV and thinking, "Oh, they're too close together...they need to move farther apart."

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Does anyone else find themselves watching a show an TV and thinking, "Oh, they're too close together...they need to move farther apart."

Totally -- I was watching two people eat streetfood in a NYC park and almost lost it.

[tower912]

Does anyone else find themselves watching a show an TV and thinking, "Oh, they're too close together...they need to move farther apart."

Porn punchline here.   

[forgetful]

This was the lead article on Foxnews this morning.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-records-lowest-coronavirus-related-deaths-in-2-weeks

I'm confused by articles like this. It misreported the number of deaths yesterday, discussed how death had fallen dramatically from the high a few days earlier (high reported as 4591), and discuss it from the standpoint of falling numbers to support reopening.

The number of deaths yesterday was reported incorrectly. They mislead on the peak deaths of 4591, which included previous deaths not accounted for, and implied things were drastically improving.

There is a chance we set a new record high for deaths today (actual deaths that doesn't include old numbers as corrections). Things are a long way from being improved. Articles like that are not helpful.

[cheebs09]

Are we able to draw any conclusions from essential businesses as far as how potent things opening up will be? In Wisconsin, it seems most manufacturing is essential and have people working. At the companies my wife and I work at, they are taking precautions to minimize contact.

For instance, I believe there's a meat processing plant that has a large number cases based on a post here. However, are most businesses not seeing too much of a spike? Just curious if we have any data points that would be a microcosm of what this looks like when we "re-open."

[MUfan12]

Are we able to draw any conclusions from essential businesses as far as how potent things opening up will be? In Wisconsin, it seems most manufacturing is essential and have people working. At the companies my wife and I work at, they are taking precautions to minimize contact.

For instance, I believe there's a meat processing plant that has a large number cases based on a post here. However, are most businesses not seeing too much of a spike? Just curious if we have any data points that would be a microcosm of what this looks like when we "re-open."

Anecdotal... I work for a manufacturer that has about 400 employees, 130 or so in manufacturing. We have had four cases in our workforce, all of them office workers and only one had been onsite. All have recovered.

[injuryBug]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/health/home-covid-19-test-approved/index.html


At home testing approved.  will this produce many false negatives making the numbers look better?

[GooooMarquette]

Does anyone else find themselves watching a show an TV and thinking, "Oh, they're too close together...they need to move farther apart."

Not a TV show, but I certainly think that when I'm out for a walk or bike ride and see groups of people walking or hanging around together.

I have also noticed the change in the dynamic when two people are walking toward one another. One person gradually walks off their intended path (sometimes even crossing to the other side of the street) so they can pass at a safe distance. In the past, that would have been seen as strange in many situations, even anti-social. Now, it seems responsible.

This brings to mind the thread a few weeks back where people were speculating on whether this would have a bigger or smaller effect on our daily lives than 9/11. I was surprised that several thought 9/11's impacts would be more significant. It seems quite certain now that COVID wins the debate by a country mile.

[GooooMarquette]

Are we able to draw any conclusions from essential businesses as far as how potent things opening up will be? In Wisconsin, it seems most manufacturing is essential and have people working. At the companies my wife and I work at, they are taking precautions to minimize contact.

For instance, I believe there's a meat processing plant that has a large number cases based on a post here. However, are most businesses not seeing too much of a spike? Just curious if we have any data points that would be a microcosm of what this looks like when we "re-open."

Perhaps...but that depends on how rigorously the essential businesses are testing employees, maintaining physical distancing, and enforcing regular and thorough hand washing. I suspect most are being pretty careful about this. And on the back side, it depends on whether the reopened businesses maintain the same level of monitoring and safeguards.

My guess - initially, the spread at reopened businesses will be similar to the spread at essential businesses, because people will be very careful. However, people will gradually get a false sense of security that "this is behind us," and start moving away from the monitoring and safeguards...at which point the second wave will gain momentum.

[rocky_warrior]

I have also noticed the change in the dynamic when two people are walking toward one another. One person gradually walks off their intended path (sometimes even crossing to the other side of the street) so they can pass at a safe distance. In the past, that would have been seen as strange in many situations, even anti-social. Now, it seems responsible.

I've noticed this a lot - and done it sometimes too.  But I've also realized that many people have no grasp on what 6ft is - and go more like 12-20 ft away.  That's not necessarily bad, I just find it funny when walking on a big (10 ft-ish) path, and single file on either side should be enough distance - the other folks will jut off the path to get further away.  OK...

[MarquetteDano]

I've noticed this a lot - and done it sometimes too.  But I've also realized that many people have no grasp on what 6ft is - and go more like 12-20 ft away.  That's not necessarily bad, I just find it funny when walking on a big (10 ft-ish) path, and single file on either side should be enough distance - the other folks will jut off the path to get further away.  OK...

I have noticed people here in Chicago jogging/walking in the street, and not even close to parked cars to avoid people in the street (completely in the street).  I think very often you can have a safe six feet without being completely in the street.

2,500 pounds of sheet metal going 30mph vs. the potential of getting virus?  I think I will take my chances with the virus.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Are we able to draw any conclusions from essential businesses as far as how potent things opening up will be? In Wisconsin, it seems most manufacturing is essential and have people working. At the companies my wife and I work at, they are taking precautions to minimize contact.

For instance, I believe there's a meat processing plant that has a large number cases based on a post here. However, are most businesses not seeing too much of a spike? Just curious if we have any data points that would be a microcosm of what this looks like when we "re-open."

I posted last week, that I heard from several customers & suppliers that they were shutting down for two weeks because someone tested positive in their place of business.  No notifications so far this week.

[rocky_warrior]

Not that CO is necessarily a leader here, but here's what they're trying after their order expires after Sunday Apr 26:

https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/20/as-colorado-stay-at-home-order-nears-end-gov-polis-outlines-new-phase-of-coronavirus-marathon/

Some highlights:

Polis, speaking from the Governor's Mansion in Denver, said that the state isn't able to test enough -- and investigate confirmed positive cases -- to relax social distancing very much yet. Colorado is still having trouble getting supplies, he said.

"Retail curbside delivery, any retail that wants to do that, that starts immediately April 27," Polis said. Other retail would be allowed to open May 1 with some restrictions.

He said that elective surgeries would be allowed starting Monday.

Large workplaces, starting May 4, will be allowed to open at 50 percent capacity, and are advised to have symptom and temperature checks for workers as they arrive.

Polis said his own goal for bars, restaurants and clubs to reopen would be mid-May, but that he'd have to wait for data on the effects of other changes to make those decisions.

[GooooMarquette]

I've noticed this a lot - and done it sometimes too.  But I've also realized that many people have no grasp on what 6ft is - and go more like 12-20 ft away.  That's not necessarily bad, I just find it funny when walking on a big (10 ft-ish) path, and single file on either side should be enough distance - the other folks will jut off the path to get further away.  OK...

I have seen that too...but I wonder how much is based on a misjudgment of 6 feet, and how much is concern that the virus might spread further outside in the wind and with more personal movement. An article posted a few pages back in this thread (can't find it right now) suggested that biking, running and even brisk walking might allow spread far beyond 6 feet. And then on a breezy day, all bets are off.

[StillAWarrior]

I have seen that too...but I wonder how much is based on a misjudgment of 6 feet, and how much is concern that the virus might spread further outside in the wind and with more personal movement. An article posted a few pages back in this thread (can't find it right now) suggested that biking, running and even brisk walking might allow spread far beyond 6 feet. And then on a breezy day, all bets are off.

I may be wrong (and don't want to spread misinformation) but I would think outdoors on a breezy day would be an extraordinarily unlikely way to contract any virus.  Which is not to say impossible, but I would think that this would be one of the safest scenarios. 

[Spotcheck Billy]

I've heard that Froedert is discussing starting elective procedures again.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Hey someone woke up the CDC.....and it's frightening!

https://wapo.st/2Vsvu5G

[4everwarriors]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-farts/


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[rocky_warrior]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-farts/

I see you're embracing science!  And positively contributing to the conversation. 

This should be a warning for all you freeballers - wear you knickers to avoid infecting others.

[jesmu84]

I see you're embracing science!  And positively contributing to the conversation. 

This should be a warning for all you freeballers - wear you knickers to avoid infecting others.

Does this mean I need to wear an N95 over my anus?

Related.... If you guys enjoy a Google search... There's some NSFW girls in mask bikinis out there

[forgetful]

I've noticed this a lot - and done it sometimes too.  But I've also realized that many people have no grasp on what 6ft is - and go more like 12-20 ft away.  That's not necessarily bad, I just find it funny when walking on a big (10 ft-ish) path, and single file on either side should be enough distance - the other folks will jut off the path to get further away.  OK...

There have been a number of studies on this. The 6 ft number is meaningless. Droplets from a cough can spread up to 30 feet.

6 ft is sufficient for droplets released during normal talking/eating. But if you are running or biking, it has been shown that you need to provide 30 feet running (if you are behind them in the slip stream) or 30 m biking. If you actually just shift to the side a bit before those distances you are then somewhat safe.

Another study showed along the coasts/beaches, that have significant wind, the distances need to be substantially larger.

Not sure that people actually saw those studies and are acting accordingly, or are simply trying to be over cautious/over polite.