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Jockey

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on September 12, 2020, 10:48:52 AM
For those that think that the reason hard hit areas are keeping cases low due to breadth of spread or 'burn through' versus countermeasures. 


https://twitter.com/_miguelhernan/status/1304424019450630144?s=21

Interesting stuff.

Skatastrophy


injuryBug

Quote from: Jockey on September 12, 2020, 11:29:37 AM
Interesting stuff.

I have said for months bars are a huge reason for the big spread.  Nobody will mask up in a bar you spend extended amount of time in close quarters and you are constantly talking and normally at a loud level.
The numbers with 20-29 year olds speaks to this as they are the ones that frequent the bars most often and really do not care cause numbers show covid does not hit them hard


Restaurants can be ok with limited capacity cause spacing can be maintained.

jesmu84

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on September 12, 2020, 10:20:39 AM
So just travel to Europe and get theirs...

Oh, wait a minute.

But seriously, Canada isn't far.

Oh, wait a minute.

Mexico? Oh we're still banned?

So we've turned the most widely accepted passport in the world into an ID card?   Neat.

Is this true? We have a Mexican trip planned for later this fall. Everything I see on the state department website says travel to mexico is open.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 12, 2020, 12:39:42 PM
Is this true? We have a Mexican trip planned for later this fall. Everything I see on the state department website says travel to mexico is open.

Looks like you're right.  You're really going to travel to Mexico for fun during all of this?

GooooMarquette

Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 12, 2020, 12:09:21 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-bars-reopen/

Florida, who hasn't recovered like most outbreak states, is reopening bars.


Great. Even places that have pretty much recovered, or at least tamped down new cases a bit, have done it largely by keeping bars closed.

But of course they won't see a spike in new cases in FL because DeSantis just won't test....

Frenns Liquor Depot

#8281
Quote from: GooooMarquette I on September 12, 2020, 02:28:25 PM

Great. Even places that have pretty much recovered, or at least tamped down new cases a bit, have done it largely by keeping bars closed.

But of course they won't see a spike in new cases in FL because DeSantis just won't test....

CT still hasn't opened bars and put it off indefinitely.  We have done indoor dining at reduced capacity and have had that for quite some time. 

We are just starting to see signs of cases popping up the last couple weeks.  I think mostly college related.  We'll see how folks react. 

GooooMarquette

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on September 12, 2020, 03:11:03 PM
CT still hasn't opened bars and put it off indefinitely.  We have done indoor dining at reduced capacity and have had that for quite some time. 

We are just starting to see signs of cases popping up the last couple weeks.  I think mostly college related.  We'll see how folks react.

Smart. Bars are the one place where social distancing and masks just seem so contrary to the way they've always operated. In fact, the majority of the most frightening pics I have seen have been at bars or private parties (often the 'substitute' for going to a bar). People go to those places to drink, talk and get close to each other.

It sucks for those who own and operate bars, but I just don't see how they can be responsibly opened while the pandemic is ongoing.

GooooMarquette

New Cases Have Reached Record Levels in the Midwest

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/13/us/coronavirus-cases-midwest.html?action=click&algo=bandit-all-surfaces-geo&block=more_in_recirc&fellback=false&imp_id=855612279&impression_id=d149c7d0-f5c4-11ea-b49d-5b2d7f73e22d&index=0&pgtype=Article&region=footer&req_id=476337709&surface=more-in-us-news

Nationally, new coronavirus cases reported daily dropped to fewer than 40,000 in mid-September from a peak of more than 66,000 cases in late July. But that trend overlooks the pandemic's complicated geography. Improvement in one region can come amid increased suffering in another.

Through Friday, North Dakota, South Dakota, Missouri and Iowa had added more recent cases per capita than all other states. As restrictions were loosened around the country, some local governments in the Midwest urged people to take the virus more seriously, and considered possible new limits on bars and face mask requirements in public.


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And if positive cases aren't enough, the positivity rate is alarmingly high in many midwest states. Currently at 19% in South Dakota, 16% in Kansas, 15% in Iowa, 13% in Missouri and 12% in Wisconsin.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-testing.html


Galway Eagle

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on September 12, 2020, 10:20:39 AM
So just travel to Europe and get theirs...

Oh, wait a minute.

But seriously, Canada isn't far.

Oh, wait a minute.

Mexico? Oh we're still banned?

So we've turned the most widely accepted passport in the world into an ID card?   Neat.

Not to nit pick but the USA passport wasn't the most widely accepted and is tied at 16
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

jesmu84

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on September 12, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
Looks like you're right.  You're really going to travel to Mexico for fun during all of this?

Yes.

GooooMarquette

Israel to reinstate strict three-week coronavirus lockdown

https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/516214-israel-to-reinstate-strict-three-week

And their resurgence began when they opened up their schools.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/world/middleeast/coronavirus-israel-schools-reopen.html

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Fortunately, many schools that are reopening in the US are taking precautions that were ignored in Israel. Still, I worry about some of the schools in the southern states wear masks continue to be optional.

I hope we don't get to that point, but this roller coaster still seems to have a ways to go.


TSmith34, Inc.

Orwellian
https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/1305220707085889536

Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
Joe Biden can't run from his disastrous record responding to the coronavirus.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

tower912

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/01/27/coronavirus-donald-trump-made-us-less-prepared-joe-biden-column/4581710002/

January 27.    Warned it was coming.    Warned that Trump was uniquely unqualified to handle it.    Next question.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Jockey

Quote from: TSmith34 on September 13, 2020, 04:59:30 PM
Orwellian
https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/1305220707085889536

Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
Joe Biden can't run from his disastrous record responding to the coronavirus.

Ronna McDaniel has always been a spectacular liar. That is why she is head of the GOP.

GooooMarquette

Quote from: tower912 on September 13, 2020, 05:20:44 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/01/27/coronavirus-donald-trump-made-us-less-prepared-joe-biden-column/4581710002/

January 27.    Warned it was coming.    Warned that Trump was uniquely unqualified to handle it.    Next question.


The unfortunate thing is that most of Trump's supporters will never even hear about this article, much less read it. They will just hear the "nobody could have seen this coming" spin that they've been hearing all along.

tower912

And he tweeted a warning on October 25, 2019.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MU82

#8292
Sigh ... He is still downplaying it. I guess to prevent "panic."

From the AP:

In clear and open defiance of Nevada state regulations and his own administration's pandemic health guidelines, President Trump hosted his first indoor rally since June, claiming to a packed, nearly mask-less crowd that the nation was "making the last turn" in defeating the virus.

Not since a rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma, a Trump campaign disaster that was blamed for a surge of coronavirus infections, has he gathered supporters indoors.

The pandemic had killed nearly 200,000 in the U.S., is still claiming 1,000 lives a day, and has infected more than 6.5 million.

By wide margins, Americans have disapproved of Trump's leadership, as the nation has suffered more virus deaths than any other. The president's campaign believes it needs to change the subject and project the sense, despite evidence otherwise, that the pandemic is winding down and that a vaccine is on the horizon.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

shoothoops

#8293
Popular St. Louis Cardinal Baseball Amateur/Area Scout, Charles Peterson, passed away from COVID-19 over the weekend. He was just 46 years old.

Two sport star athlete out of South Carolina, Charles led his high school to state titles in both football and baseball. He caught the winning TD in football state title game. He was drafted in the MLB first round by Pittsburgh and he made it to AAA ball.

He covered South Carolina, Georgia, and North Florida for the Cardinals, and he was close with many youth, high school, and college coaches in the region. He was responsible for the Cardinals first round draft pick this year, Jordan Walker. He helped coach his son's high school football team, while also running an amateur baseball training facility.


Jockey

A stunning disregard for life from the fake pro-lifer.

Hard to know who is dumber - the president or his supporters. I would say it's his supporters cuz they're the ones who are gonna die.

shoothoops

#8295
Interesting thread from the Chair of UC San Francisco Medical:

https://twitter.com/bob_wachter/status/1304254207688667137

Jockey

Bob Woodward's hours of interviews with Donald Trump have yielded yet another confirmation that Trump does not care about the lives of ordinary Americans, including his own supporters.

In an April 13 interview, Trump says the coronavirus is "so easily transmissible, you wouldn't even believe it. I was in the White House a couple of days ago. Meeting of 10 people in the Oval Office. And a guy sneezed, innocently. Not a horrible—just a sneeze. The entire room bailed out, okay? Including me, by the way."


So before April 13, even with all of the testing being done on people in proximity to Trump, people in the White House were seriously afraid of being in a room with a person showing any kind of symptoms at all. On April 13, Trump got up and held a news briefing in which he insisted: "Everything we did was right."

On April 17, as CNN's Manu Raju pointed out, Trump tweeted "LIBERATE MICHIGAN!" as part of his push to reopen. Around the same time, Trump called on governors to reopen "very, very quickly, depending on what they want to do." On April 28, it was: "Many States moving to SAFELY & QUICKLY reopen!"

Except Mr. "The entire room bailed out ... including me" knew damn well it wasn't safe, as the entire nation spent the summer learning.

Jockey

More of the same:

Over the weekend, multiple news outlets broke the story that Trump's appointed assistant secretary of public affairs in the Department of Health and Human Services and his assistants have been watering down or blocking key reports from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention known as the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports. Not only have Michael Caputo and aide Paul Alexander been engaged in ongoing battle with CDC scientists over findings that contradict Trump's own rosy claims, during the nationwide COVID-19 pandemic, but they have done so while accusing CDC scientists of writing "hit pieces" meant to damage the administration—and the claims both men have made, in confronting CDC scientists, have been so broadly conspiratorial in nature as to raise questions about both men's fitness for the job.

Those questions are now going to be on the top of the agenda, because Trump appointee Caputo has responded to the allegations against him with an absolutely batshit Facebook video in which Caputo accuses CDC scientists with "sedition" for the content of their reports, claims an anti-Trump "resistance unit" is operating inside the CDC, claims he is in real personal danger of being killed by anti-Trump forces, and launched into a string of off-the-rails conspiracy theories that culminated in him urging Trump supporters to "buy ammunition" in preparation for a Biden attempt to seize the presidency from Trump

GooooMarquette

Quote from: Jockey on September 14, 2020, 03:11:44 PM
More of the same:

Over the weekend, multiple news outlets broke the story that Trump's appointed assistant secretary of public affairs in the Department of Health and Human Services and his assistants have been watering down or blocking key reports from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention known as the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports. Not only have Michael Caputo and aide Paul Alexander been engaged in ongoing battle with CDC scientists over findings that contradict Trump's own rosy claims, during the nationwide COVID-19 pandemic, but they have done so while accusing CDC scientists of writing "hit pieces" meant to damage the administration—and the claims both men have made, in confronting CDC scientists, have been so broadly conspiratorial in nature as to raise questions about both men's fitness for the job.

Those questions are now going to be on the top of the agenda, because Trump appointee Caputo has responded to the allegations against him with an absolutely batcrap Facebook video in which Caputo accuses CDC scientists with "sedition" for the content of their reports, claims an anti-Trump "resistance unit" is operating inside the CDC, claims he is in real personal danger of being killed by anti-Trump forces, and launched into a string of off-the-rails conspiracy theories that culminated in him urging Trump supporters to "buy ammunition" in preparation for a Biden attempt to seize the presidency from Trump


The horrifying thing is that people will actually believe this crap, and some really may go out and buy extra ammo in preparation for Election Day.

They seem totally oblivious to the potential impact they are having on both the fight against COVID and the future of our country...all in the name of winning the election and stroking Trump's fragile ego. Just wow....

tower912

I look forward to seeing the spin away from Trump's voice on tape saying he undersold the severity of the virus from the beginning.  Woodward told him that he was taping.   DJT said it anyway.   Proudly.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

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