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Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« on: January 25, 2020, 10:25:51 PM »
As of 10:15pm CT we are up to 28th.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2020, 10:27:16 PM »
You seem smart sometimes and idiotic other times. Cant get a good read on you. This isn't relevant to anything but there you go. :)

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2020, 10:41:17 PM »
You seem smart sometimes and idiotic other times. Cant get a good read on you. This isn't relevant to anything but there you go. :)

A Marquette basketball message forum and I post how we moved up (32nd yesterday) to 28th...the Marquette basketball team....on a Marquette basketball message forum....it isn’t relevant? 

I can’t get a good read on whether you are joking or not.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2020, 10:42:57 PM »
A Marquette basketball message forum and I post how we moved up (32nd yesterday) to 28th...the Marquette basketball team....on a Marquette basketball message forum....it isn’t relevant? 

I can’t get a good read on whether you are joking or not.

Sincerely the Smart Idiot
I meant my comment is irrelevant. Sorry lol carry on

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2020, 10:47:23 PM »
As of 10:15pm CT we are up to 28th.

Another poster made a good point about these rankings being transitory.

The only relevant ranking is where Marquette is ranked at tournament time.

The rest just feeds circular arguments.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2020, 10:51:07 PM »
Another poster made a good point about these rankings being transitory.

The only relevant ranking is where Marquette is ranked at tournament time.

The rest just feeds circular arguments.


True...but at the moment, this is the best we have. And 28th means we are right in the mix.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2020, 02:47:55 AM »
And we are .04 points out of 26th.

I always find it interesting to look at the KenPom score rather than the ranking. Like most ranking systems, teams tend to fall on a nice bell curve. Someone can do the actual math to find deviations, but I like looking for natural breaks in the rankings to sort teams into tiers. Here are the tiers I currently see.

6 elite teams:
Kansas +30.18
Duke 2 +28.63
Gonzaga +26.07
Baylor +25.86
Dayton +25.50
West Virginia +25.36

11 very good teams:
San Diego State +23.56
Louisville +22.74
Maryland +22.58
Seton Hall +22.32
Michigan State +22.25
Arizona +21.62
Ohio State +21.24
Iowa +21.06
Butler +20.06
Florida State +19.52
Oregon +19.32

23 at large worthy teams
Villanova +18.64
Colorado +18.51
Purdue +18.40
Penn St. +18.40
Illinois +18.36
BYU +18.31
Houston +18.02
Kentucky +17.86
Texas Tech +17.44
Rutgers +17.44
Marquette +17.40
Arkansas +17.34
Minnesota +17.26
Michigan +17.23
Stanford +17.22
Auburn +17.20
Wisconsin +17.19
Creighton +17.03
LSU +16.85
St. Mary's +16.77
Florida +16.62
Indiana +16.12
Wichita State +15.84

Bubble Teams:
Mississippi State +15.17....

We're right in the middle of that third tier. After the Providence debacle, we fell all the way to 41. In 4 games we have risen to 26th. I think we can play our way to the top of our current tier or even into the second tier pretty easily. We could also play ourselves out of the tournament. I feel decently confident about our play going forward.
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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2020, 06:23:34 AM »
As of 10:15pm CT we are up to 28th.
That is a good thing. But considering this is generally a down year for college bb, it does not yet warrant making travel plans to see MU in the final 4
Wojo needs at least 5 to 10 more years.
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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2020, 07:15:40 AM »
Losing to a top 15 team on their floor is to be expected.   The way it happened is the painful part.
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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2020, 07:47:50 AM »
Losing to a top 15 team on their floor is to be expected.   The way it happened is the painful concerning part.
Correct, In a vacuum  thats not a bad loss at all. But I would change the word painful to concerning.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2020, 07:52:51 AM »
Is Dayton really “that” good?

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2020, 08:00:05 AM »
Is Dayton really “that” good?


Probably not THAT good, but I think Anthony Grant is a good coach who took a bad job in Alabama.
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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2020, 08:05:32 AM »
Is Dayton really “that” good?

I caught their Colorado and VCU games. They’ll be an interesting tournament team to the extremes. Could get bounced in first round or a be an easy Elite 8 team.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2020, 08:06:09 AM »
When a team has their 2x starting guards out with injuries, the team isn't a top 15 team anymore. 

MU's ranking is severely inflated and that's part of the problem with Kenpom, especially during a time of parity.  It doesn't adjust for injuries as well as many other things.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2020, 08:07:25 AM »
When a team has their 2x starting guards out with injuries, the team isn't a top 15 team anymore. 

MU's ranking is severely inflated and that's part of the problem with Kenpom, especially during a time of parity.  It doesn't adjust for injuries as well as many other things.

That’s not a problem. It doesn’t accurately fit your agenda, that is your problem.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2020, 08:16:37 AM »
That’s not a problem. It doesn’t accurately fit your agenda, that is your problem.

Pointing out flawed data?  That's an agenda? 

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2020, 08:18:39 AM »
Pointing out flawed data?  That's an agenda? 

It’s not flawed data.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2020, 08:18:59 AM »
6 elite teams:
Kansas +30.18
Duke 2 +28.63
Gonzaga +26.07
Baylor +25.86
Dayton +25.50
West Virginia +25.36

And that #1 Kansas would've been 6th last year.
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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2020, 09:15:40 AM »
You seem smart sometimes and idiotic other times. Cant get a good read on you. This isn't relevant to anything but there you go. :)

I'll save you some time trying to figure it out. He argues in bad faith 100% of the time at extremely high volume, and a broken clock is right twice a day.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2020, 09:21:27 AM »
Cheeks is sky like a fix. He pulls an inside job every job time he causes controversy. I find his style to be extremely amusing. Sure, I disagree with most of BS, but he adds excitement. I said last week, he should have sponsors on Scoop and get paid for every reply his craziness received on here.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2020, 09:42:50 AM »
Cheeks is sky like a fix. He pulls an inside job every job time he causes controversy. I find his style to be extremely amusing. Sure, I disagree with most of BS, but he adds excitement. I said last week, he should have sponsors on Scoop and get paid for every reply his craziness received on here.

I find his style mostly pathetic.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2020, 09:44:25 AM »
I find his style mostly pathetic.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2020, 10:01:23 AM »
It’s not flawed data.

You know those rating systems are flawed. They don't take in account houses that have, uh, more than two television sets and other - other things of that nature.

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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2020, 10:05:39 AM »
I find his style mostly pathetic.


Ahhhh....so fun to watch the dinosaurs here think it is still the 70’s....
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Re: Meanwhile....MU moves up to 28th in Ken Pom
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2020, 10:08:25 AM »
That is a good thing. But considering this is generally a down year for college bb, it does not yet warrant making travel plans to see MU in the final 4
Wojo needs at least 5 to 10 more years.

You truly have no idea how stats and data work with that statement.  Ultimately you are judged vs your peers.  It can be down, but it’s all relative to everyone else being down.  Sorry, but that’s the way it goes and that’s the way the data works.  Whether it is down or not is irrelevant because all of college basketball is still competing against all of the “down” teams in the collective pool that establishes the data set to begin with.
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