MU Head Coach dilemma. Great groan or gone

[Lennys Tap]

There have been 80 NCAA tournaments since 1939. Not counting vacated titles, 8 programs have won 45 of them.

In other words, 2% of the current D1 programs have won 56% of the tournaments.

There are also only 35 programs that have won an NCAA tournament.

In other words, only 10% of all current D1 programs have won all 80 tournaments.

That doesn't sound too random to me either.

No, no, no!!! It's all match ups! Al and Buzz didn't win games because they were good - they were lucky and got good match ups. Crean got really lucky one year out of nine but mostly rolled snake eyes. KO got lucky once, too. The rest? Bupkus.

[Mike Deane's Seat Belt]

Al got lucky ???  Maybe because he pioneered the recruit game.   Wojo couldnt shine al's shoes as a coach.   

Wojohsnomojoanditstimetogojo

[Lennys Tap]

Al got lucky ???  Maybe because he pioneered the recruit game.   Wojo couldnt shine al's shoes as a coach.   

Wojohsnomojoanditstimetogojo

Sarcasm, Deano.

[Mike Deane's Seat Belt]

Ok i was gonna say.   Al was a genius in the recruiting game.  One could say even a social justice warrior for the time.   Wojo is a mid major level recruiting talent and sub par x's and o's game coach. 


We must move on our we are uwm south

[SWARM!]

Damn dude.  This has got to be one of the most piercing criticisms that I have ever read of Wojo.  Almost makes me feel bad for him.

(Agree on the leadership part)

Ah, yeah. Spot on. And who the f*** is this WhoaJoe guy?  Cheeks' bro? Father in law?

[Keithtisbarf]

Like I said, this is 100% provable by the moderators.  I'd ask them to do so, but I cannot make them.  That's why I'm find it funny because I suspect they are in on this one or have no desire to set the record straight.  Whatever, fine by me....The fact that it gets you guys all wound up and I have absolutely nothing to do with it makes me laugh.  You guys chase your tails at a lot of people that you think are someone and they are not.  I find that absolutely hilarious. 

In about a month I will be under for a surgery, it would be funny if these guys are posting during that time and I upload the post op docs showing the timing....the collective WTF on some of your faces would be priceless.  I won't announce which day...this could be fun to watch the mea culpas.

What type of surgery are you having?

[WhiteTrash]

There have been 80 NCAA tournaments since 1939. Not counting vacated titles, 8 programs have won 45 of them.

In other words, 2% of the current D1 programs have won 56% of the tournaments.

There are also only 35 programs that have won an NCAA tournament.

In other words, only 10% of all current D1 programs have won all 80 tournaments.

That doesn't sound too random to me either.

Yep. Crapshoot = Bullsh*t!

[f/k/a humanlung]

It is not true that "they sank a bunch of free throws at the end when it got away from us". From up 6 with just over 7 minutes left until just over 2 minutes left S Carolina outscored us 19-2. Three (3) of those 19 points were free throws. The other 16 were on field goals, many of them lay ups. Both of our 2 points were also on free throws. Up 23 with just over 2 minutes left the Gamecocks called off the dogs and we managed a couple of lay ups to their one (1) free throw to "cut" the final margin to 20. Total collapse, total cave in, nothing to do with "free throws at the end". More fiction from our head wojophile.

Thank you.  True this.

[f/k/a humanlung]

Anyone else feel at least a little better about the Murray State game after seeing what Ja Morant has done to some of these NBA guys this year? I feel like a lot of people harp on the seed or the fact that it wasn't a big name school, but that kid is a PROBLEM.

Obviously their team beat our team, but it's pretty tough luck to get matched up against the #2 pick in the first round

But THEIR team got blown out in the next round by FSU...

[Jockey]

Sarcasm, Deano.

We all knew that, Lenny. Well.... at least all but one

[brewcity77]

What type of surgery are you having?

Why are you obsessed with other people's medical circumstances?

[Keithtisbarf]

Why are you obsessed with other people's medical circumstances?

He's not having surgery.

[WhoaJoe2020]

Yep. Crapshoot = Bullsh*t!

You obviously don't understand the game of craps that the term crapshoot is derived from.

In craps certain combinations of the two die being rolled have very LOW odds of winning.. These LOW odds rolls are those where the combinations of the two die rolled add up to 2 and twelve

Think of these LOW odds rolls as the 16 seeds in the NCAA tournament field.

Other rolls have HIGHER odds of winning. These are, in ascending order: Combinations of the two die rolled that add up to 3 and 11, then combinations that add up to 4 and 10 then combinations that add up to 5 and 9, and finally combinations that add up to 6 and 8.

Think of these  HIGHER odds rolls as the rest of the NCAA tournament field in ascending order from the 15 seed up through to the 2 seed

Finally there are the rolls that have the HIGHEST odds of winning. Combinations of the two die that add up to seven.

Think of these HIGHEST odds rolls as 1 seeds in the NCAA tournament.

If the tournament WASN'T a crapshoot the 1 seeds would ALWAYS win, not just most of the time, but they don't. Just like seven doesn't ALWAYS win in craps, just most of the time.

Do you see why calling the NCAA tournament a crapshoot is a very apt analogy?

[Keithtisbarf]

You obviously don't understand the game of craps that the term crapshoot is derived from.

In craps certain combinations of the two die being rolled have very LOW odds of winning.. These LOW odds rolls are those where the combinations of the two die rolled add up to 2 and twelve

Think of these LOW odds rolls as the 16 seeds in the NCAA tournament field.

Other rolls have HIGHER odds of winning. These are, in ascending order: Combinations of the two die rolled that add up to 3 and 11, then combinations that add up to 4 and 10 then combinations that add up to 5 and 9, and finally combinations that add up to 6 and 8.

Think of these  HIGHER odds rolls as the rest of the NCAA tournament field in ascending order from the 15 seed up through to the 2 seed

Finally there are the rolls that have the HIGHEST odds of winning. Combinations of the two die that add up to seven.

Think of these HIGHEST odds rolls as 1 seeds in the NCAA tournament.

If the tournament WASN'T a crapshoot the 1 seeds would ALWAYS win, not just most of the time, but they don't. Just like seven doesn't ALWAYS win in craps, just most of the time.

Do you see why calling the NCAA tournament a crapshoot is a very apt analogy?

You sure know the game of craps. I'm not old enough to gamble yet, but thanks for the insight

[f/k/a humanlung]

You obviously don't understand the game of craps that the term crapshoot is derived from.

In craps certain combinations of the two die being rolled have very LOW odds of winning.. These LOW odds rolls are those where the combinations of the two die rolled add up to 2 and twelve

Think of these LOW odds rolls as the 16 seeds in the NCAA tournament field.

Other rolls have HIGHER odds of winning. These are, in ascending order: Combinations of the two die rolled that add up to 3 and 11, then combinations that add up to 4 and 10 then combinations that add up to 5 and 9, and finally combinations that add up to 6 and 8.

Think of these  HIGHER odds rolls as the rest of the NCAA tournament field in ascending order from the 15 seed up through to the 2 seed

Finally there are the rolls that have the HIGHEST odds of winning. Combinations of the two die that add up to seven.

Think of these HIGHEST odds rolls as 1 seeds in the NCAA tournament.

If the tournament WASN'T a crapshoot the 1 seeds would ALWAYS win, not just most of the time, but they don't. Just like seven doesn't ALWAYS win in craps, just most of the time.

Do you see why calling the NCAA tournament a crapshoot is a very apt analogy?

So you're equating something that is based on chance and rules of mathematical probably to the expected outcome of the NCAA Tournament?

Now I understand.

You fail to take into account what many of us have been saying. COACHING MATTERS.  Effort matters.  Desire matters.

None of these things are in your analogy and, sadly, are frequently missing from MU the last few seasons.

[Cheeks]

What type of surgery are you having?

That's a personal matter.

[Cheeks]

He's not having surgery.

I'm not?  LOL.  Well cool, I'll save some
money then since my deductible and insurance won't cover it entirely.

Uhm yes...I'm having surgery. 

[Cheeks]

So you're equating something that is based on chance and rules of mathematical probably to the expected outcome of the NCAA Tournament?

Now I understand.

You fail to take into account what many of us have been saying. COACHING MATTERS.  Effort matters.  Desire matters.

None of these things are in your analogy and, sadly, are frequently missing from MU the last few seasons.

Luck also matters.  If it was simply coaching and desire, Duke wouldn't lose to Lehigh and Mercer, Virginia wouldn't lose to UMBC, and on and on and on.

Or did Coach K and Tony Bennett and Izzo and McGuire and Buzz and on and on become morons those days they lost to teams they should have not lost to?

[WhiteTrash]

You obviously don't understand the game of craps that the term crapshoot is derived from.

In craps certain combinations of the two die being rolled have very LOW odds of winning.. These LOW odds rolls are those where the combinations of the two die rolled add up to 2 and twelve

Think of these LOW odds rolls as the 16 seeds in the NCAA tournament field.

Other rolls have HIGHER odds of winning. These are, in ascending order: Combinations of the two die rolled that add up to 3 and 11, then combinations that add up to 4 and 10 then combinations that add up to 5 and 9, and finally combinations that add up to 6 and 8.

Think of these  HIGHER odds rolls as the rest of the NCAA tournament field in ascending order from the 15 seed up through to the 2 seed

Finally there are the rolls that have the HIGHEST odds of winning. Combinations of the two die that add up to seven.

Think of these HIGHEST odds rolls as 1 seeds in the NCAA tournament.

If the tournament WASN'T a crapshoot the 1 seeds would ALWAYS win, not just most of the time, but they don't. Just like seven doesn't ALWAYS win in craps, just most of the time.

Do you see why calling the NCAA tournament a crapshoot is a very apt analogy?

My fellow MU fan, the NCAA tourney is most definitely not a "crapshoot". The people who push the "crapshoot" idea don't even think its a true crapshoot. Just look at their posts. It's a "figure of term" to them.

The results of the NCAA tournament over the decades prove the point it is the farthest thing from a crapshoot. 

[Cheeks]

My fellow MU fan, the NCAA tourney is most definitely not a "crapshoot". The people who push the "crapshoot" idea don't even think its a true crapshoot. Just look at their posts. It's a "figure of term" to them.

The results of the NCAA tournament over the decades prove the point it is the farthest thing from a crapshoot.

Tom Izzo
Coach K
Jay Wright
Mark Few
Etc etc etc

It's a term of art, we have said this already.  It is not literally a crapshoot, just as Murray State didn't literally kill members of the Marquette basketball team, just as Oregon didn't destroy Wisconsin, but apparently this is hard for you.  It is called a crapshoot for a reason. 

[WhiteTrash]

You obviously don't understand the game of craps that the term crapshoot is derived from.

In craps certain combinations of the two die being rolled have very LOW odds of winning.. These LOW odds rolls are those where the combinations of the two die rolled add up to 2 and twelve

Think of these LOW odds rolls as the 16 seeds in the NCAA tournament field.

Other rolls have HIGHER odds of winning. These are, in ascending order: Combinations of the two die rolled that add up to 3 and 11, then combinations that add up to 4 and 10 then combinations that add up to 5 and 9, and finally combinations that add up to 6 and 8.

Think of these  HIGHER odds rolls as the rest of the NCAA tournament field in ascending order from the 15 seed up through to the 2 seed

Finally there are the rolls that have the HIGHEST odds of winning. Combinations of the two die that add up to seven.

Think of these HIGHEST odds rolls as 1 seeds in the NCAA tournament.

If the tournament WASN'T a crapshoot the 1 seeds would ALWAYS win, not just most of the time, but they don't. Just like seven doesn't ALWAYS win in craps, just most of the time.

Do you see why calling the NCAA tournament a crapshoot is a very apt analogy?

After reading this post again, I think you may have shot down the "crapshoot" argument better than anyone before. THANK YOU!

[WhiteTrash]

Tom Izzo
Coach K
Jay Wright
Mark Few
Etc etc etc

It's a term of art, we have said this already.  It is not literally a crapshoot, just as Murray State didn't literally kill members of the Marquette basketball team, just as Oregon didn't destroy Wisconsin, but apparently this is hard for you.  It is called a crapshoot for a reason.

Okay. Show me the proof. WhoaJoe gave us the factual data that is not a crapshoot. What is your data?

[Cheeks]

Okay. Show me the proof. WhoaJoe gave us the factual data that is not a crapshoot. What is your data?

How does one prove a term of art?  That's the whole point of using it.

When a team "kills" another team are there dead bodies?  Nope.  It's a term of art to make an analogy.

When coaches, announcers, players, etc say it is a crapshoot it is not literally a crapshoot, but the analogy made is how often the crazy happens compared to other sports.  I provided a study last year that Fox (I think) has done that shows what sporting events the top seeds win the most vs the fewest.  The NBA is the most predictable.  The NCAA men's tournament was the least...which is why it earns the tag it does as a crapshoot.

Now, if you and Lenny and a few others want to file a suit or petition that all these coaches, announcers, players, journalists that use the term are perpoa fraud on the American people...have a go.  Pleas add "frozen tundra" while you are at since tundra is already frozen, and thus a false statement.  You can get a 2 for 1 in there.

[Johnny B]

How does one prove a term of art?  That's the whole point of using it.

When a team "kills" another team are there dead bodies?  Nope.  It's a term of art to make an analogy.

When coaches, announcers, players, etc say it is a crapshoot it is not literally a crapshoot, but the analogy made is how often the crazy happens compared to other sports.  I provided a study last year that Fox (I think) has done that shows what sporting events the top seeds win the most vs the fewest.  The NBA is the most predictable.  The NCAA men's tournament was the least...which is why it earns the tag it does as a crapshoot.

Now, if you and Lenny and a few others want to file a suit or petition that all these coaches, announcers, players, journalists that use the term are perpoa fraud on the American people...have a go.  Pleas add "frozen tundra" while you are at since tundra is already frozen, and thus a false statement.  You can get a 2 for 1 in there.

Why dont you take a scoop break pal.. just endless rambling. And what hell were those gifs?? Pandas doing doggy style? Just what in the fuk

[WhiteTrash]

How does one prove a term of art?  That's the whole point of using it.

When a team "kills" another team are there dead bodies?  Nope.  It's a term of art to make an analogy.

When coaches, announcers, players, etc say it is a crapshoot it is not literally a crapshoot, but the analogy made is how often the crazy happens compared to other sports.  I provided a study last year that Fox (I think) has done that shows what sporting events the top seeds win the most vs the fewest.  The NBA is the most predictable.  The NCAA men's tournament was the least...which is why it earns the tag it does as a crapshoot.

Now, if you and Lenny and a few others want to file a suit or petition that all these coaches, announcers, players, journalists that use the term are perpoa fraud on the American people...have a go.  Pleas add "frozen tundra" while you are at since tundra is already frozen, and thus a false statement.  You can get a 2 for 1 in there.

Thank you. Glad this issue has been put to bed. Next issue.