MU Coaching Candidates

[brewcity77]

Milwaukee needs to up its Italian restaurant game immediately.

Does anyone know if Porcini's is really any better than Balestreri's?

[The Lens]

Pitino is a devout Catholic.  The brothel / dorm he ran at Louisville was named after his deceased BIL, who was also Catholic.

We could do worse. 

Did I mention he's a devout Catholic AND his BIL died on 9/11?

Saying no to Rick is like denouncing Catholicism & being a 9/11 truther.  We're not Aaron Rodgers! #HireRickPitino

[willie warrior]

Does anyone know if Porcini's is really any better than Balestreri's?

Ask Pitino. Hear he has had ample exposure.

[4everwarriors]

Does anyone know if Porcini's is really any better than Balestreri's?

Depends on da broads involved, aina?

[Golden Avalanche]

Yes Marquette was relevant in 18/19. In seven years that has been that's been their only stretch which warranted national attention. It ended in the program receiving national attention for all the wrong reasons, collapse down the stretch when they couldn't win one game in their last 4 to clinch the BE and two of their best players ended up transferring.

How much national attention is player like Scottie Pippen Jr or Matthew Hurt garnering? Great players on average/bad teams aren't a national media talking piece. Markus, as much as you and I believe differently, didn't receive the close to the attention he deserved because Marquette wasn't that great last year.

*Edit Markus didn't even win POY in the BE last year even though he was better than Powell by every metric. That's example A of lack of national recognition.

So, we've gone from lack of national spotlight in a decade to seven years to six years.........

And, Howard not winning POY last year had nothing to do with lack of national recognition. He was an All-American for christ's sake! Can't get any more "national attention" then that! It had to do with an NYC metro guy in the Big East conference having built-in hype as the Pre-Season POY and his team winning a share of the title.

[wadesworld]

Yeah, I mean the only programs that get any significant "national attention" are Duke and Kentucky and then to a lesser extent UNC, Gonzaga (now), Kansas, Villanova, Michigan State, and Louisville

Then obviously each year there are teams that get a ton of "national attention" when they're having good years.  Like Alabama and Baylor this year.  Which is the group Marquette falls into.  When they were at their peak under Buzz, they'd get a lot of attention when they were rising in the rankings.

To pretend we were some near blue blood that has now fallen to on par with Washington State is just not real life.  We haven't been in that top or second group since Al was at Marquette.

[The Lens]

America has become very calendarized, sportswise.  Like it or not, college basketball in the national sporting conscious has become a 3-week sport.  We have not been relevant in those 3 weeks since 2013. 

[CTWarrior]

So, we've gone from lack of national spotlight in a decade to seven years to six years.........

And, Howard not winning POY last year had nothing to do with lack of national recognition. He was an All-American for christ's sake! Can't get any more "national attention" then that! It had to do with an NYC metro guy in the Big East conference having built-in hype as the Pre-Season POY and his team winning a share of the title.

Nothing to do with NYC Metro guy or pre-season hype and everything to do with his team winning a share of the title.  To the winner go the spoils.

[panda]

So, we've gone from lack of national spotlight in a decade to seven years to six years.........

And, Howard not winning POY last year had nothing to do with lack of national recognition. He was an All-American for christ's sake! Can't get any more "national attention" then that! It had to do with an NYC metro guy in the Big East conference having built-in hype as the Pre-Season POY and his team winning a share of the title.

BE POY is determined by the coaches...

[Golden Avalanche]

Nothing to do with NYC Metro guy or pre-season hype and everything to do with his team winning a share of the title.  To the winner go the spoils.

In 2018-2019, Shamorie Ponds was the Pre-Season POY and St. John's went on to a sub-.500 record and he still got votes in March for POY. October selection had no effect in March? No built-in bias for voters?

In fact, Marquette famously didn't win the title that year and yet Markus Howard was the POY. How do we explain the winner not getting the spoils in that season?

[panda]

In 2018-2019, Shamorie Ponds was the Pre-Season POY and St. John's went on to a sub-.500 record and he still got votes in March for POY. October selection had no effect in March? No built-in bias for voters?

In fact, Marquette famously didn't win the title that year and yet Markus Howard was the POY. How do we explain the winner not getting the spoils in that season?

Once again, the coaches are the only voters. It's not a media selection.

[wadesworld]

Gary Parrish was on CBS talking about how Markus was on track to win NPOY right around this time last year.  He talked about how Marquette's expectations crashed when the Hausers left but Markus was carrying the team to a better performance than expected and he was the frontrunner for NPOY.

Again, Marquette's standing nationally has not changed.  They haven't been a top tier program that gets publicity no matter the results on the court since Al left.  If they were to compete for a BE title next year, they'll get the same amount of national attention that they were when Buzz was taking the program to 3 straight Sweet 16s.  If they continue to be mediocre they'll get talked about when they get a big win (there was plenty of national attention when they had the tip in against UW, and even the win at Creighton) and not much more.  Just like all but maybe 10 programs in the country.

This idea that we went from blue blood status to a nobody is ludicrous.

[panda]

Gary Parrish was on CBS talking about how Markus was on track to win NPOY right around this time last year.  He talked about how Marquette's expectations crashed when the Hausers left but Markus was carrying the team to a better performance than expected and he was the frontrunner for NPOY.

Again, Marquette's standing nationally has not changed.  They haven't been a top tier program that gets publicity no matter the results on the court since Al left.  If they were to compete for a BE title next year, they'll get the same amount of national attention that they were when Buzz was taking the program to 3 straight Sweet 16s.  If they continue to be mediocre they'll get talked about when they get a big win (there was plenty of national attention when they had the tip in against UW, and even the win at Creighton) and not much more.  Just like all but maybe 10 programs in the country.

This idea that we went from blue blood status to a nobody is ludicrous.

If only Wojo would start winning, our program would be viewed in the same light the Buzz's teams were.

But yes Wades, our program stature has not changed at all.....

[Hards Alumni]

Gary Parrish was on CBS talking about how Markus was on track to win NPOY right around this time last year.  He talked about how Marquette's expectations crashed when the Hausers left but Markus was carrying the team to a better performance than expected and he was the frontrunner for NPOY.

Again, Marquette's standing nationally has not changed.  They haven't been a top tier program that gets publicity no matter the results on the court since Al left.  If they were to compete for a BE title next year, they'll get the same amount of national attention that they were when Buzz was taking the program to 3 straight Sweet 16s.  If they continue to be mediocre they'll get talked about when they get a big win (there was plenty of national attention when they had the tip in against UW, and even the win at Creighton) and not much more.  Just like all but maybe 10 programs in the country.

This idea that we went from blue blood status to a nobody is ludicrous.

And a good way to test this theory is to ask random people where Marquette is.  You're spot on.

[The Sultan]

But yes Wades, our program stature has not changed at all.....

He never said that.

[Galway Eagle]

Gary Parrish was on CBS talking about how Markus was on track to win NPOY right around this time last year.  He talked about how Marquette's expectations crashed when the Hausers left but Markus was carrying the team to a better performance than expected and he was the frontrunner for NPOY.

Again, Marquette's standing nationally has not changed.  They haven't been a top tier program that gets publicity no matter the results on the court since Al left.  If they were to compete for a BE title next year, they'll get the same amount of national attention that they were when Buzz was taking the program to 3 straight Sweet 16s.  If they continue to be mediocre they'll get talked about when they get a big win (there was plenty of national attention when they had the tip in against UW, and even the win at Creighton) and not much more.  Just like all but maybe 10 programs in the country.

This idea that we went from blue blood status to a nobody is ludicrous.

There's definitely a lot of room for between "on the cusp of blue blood" and "our status hasn't changed"

We were top 10 for at least a week in 07, 08, 09, 12, & 13, plus had three 2nd weekend appearances in a row and sprinkled in there were the 06 and 10 tournament appearances and a not too distant memory of the Wade final four. It was for sure a different situation.

Were we on the cusp of being a blue blood? No we weren't. We were on the cusp of a on paper great season (coach, returners, recruiting class) and felt we were too big to fail. But we were for sure getting more publicity then.

I think a prime way to explain it is do you remember how long it took in 2014 to stop receiving votes? And how there were articles about what was wrong and how long we were on the bubble? These days, we have to play our way onto receiving votes and getting articles that we didn't at the time.

[wadesworld]

There's definitely a lot of room for between "on the cusp of blue blood" and "our status hasn't changed"

We were top 10 for at least a week in 07, 08, 09, 12, & 13, plus had three 2nd weekend appearances in a row and sprinkled in there were the 06 and 10 tournament appearances and a not too distant memory of the Wade final four. It was for sure a different situation.

Were we on the cusp of being a blue blood? No we weren't. We were on the cusp of a on paper great season (coach, returners, recruiting class) and felt we were too big to fail. But we were for sure getting more publicity then.

I agree.  The results have changed.  But the perception of where the program is, or the "reputation" of Marquette's basketball program nationally, has been pretty much unchanged since Tom Crean rebuilt the program.  And possibly before then, but I was too young to be aware of how Marquette was viewed.

The point is, this idea that Wojo has "tarnished" the "reputation" of Marquette basketball is just a joke.  The same level of player is still interested in Marquette.  His lack of success hasn't changed the ability to get highly ranked/recruited players to come play at Marquette.  And the national media's view of Marquette isn't that it's fallen off a cliff.  And if Wojo were to get fired or move on after this season, the level of coaching candidate that would be interested in the job would be pretty much the exact same as it was when Buzz left, and when Crean left.  Some decent at best high major coaches might be in the mix, some very high level assistants would be in the mix, and some solid mid major coaches looking to move up a level would be in the mix.

It's not like we've gone from a program where any coach in America would run to take over the program to turning into someone like St. John's where you go through your first 5 candidates and then have to fall back (which probably turned out to be the best hire they could've made).

People talk like Wojo took it from nearly a blue blood to spending no money, being unattractive to both media and to potential coaching candidates and unattractive to recruits.  That Wojo is setting up the next person who takes over the program to have to go through some giant Tom Crean style rebuild of the program.  That's just not the case.  Everything is still very much in place to win at Marquette.  Marquette basketball is not some damaged goods.  It needs to start winning, and the right coach will be able to do so.

[panda]

I agree.  The results have changed.  But the perception of where the program is, or the "reputation" of Marquette's basketball program nationally, has been pretty much unchanged since Tom Crean rebuilt the program.  And possibly before then, but I was too young to be aware of how Marquette was viewed.

The point is, this idea that Wojo has "tarnished" the "reputation" of Marquette basketball is just a joke.  The same level of player is still interested in Marquette.  His lack of success hasn't changed the ability to get highly ranked/recruited players to come play at Marquette.  And the national media's view of Marquette isn't that it's fallen off a cliff.  And if Wojo were to get fired or move on after this season, the level of coaching candidate that would be interested in the job would be pretty much the exact same as it was when Buzz left, and when Crean left.  Some decent at best high major coaches might be in the mix, some very high level assistants would be in the mix, and some solid mid major coaches looking to move up a level would be in the mix.

It's not like we've gone from a program where any coach in America would run to take over the program to turning into someone like St. John's where you go through your first 5 candidates and then have to fall back (which probably turned out to be the best hire they could've made).

People talk like Wojo took it from nearly a blue blood to spending no money, being unattractive to both media and to potential coaching candidates and unattractive to recruits.  That Wojo is setting up the next person who takes over the program to have to go through some giant Tom Crean style rebuild of the program.  That's just not the case.  Everything is still very much in place to win at Marquette.  Marquette basketball is not some damaged goods.  It needs to start winning, and the right coach will be able to do so.

Fair enough.

[The Sultan]

Honestly, I think if Wojo were fired after this year, the national media would be surprised.  I don't think they would collectively feel that Wojo was as big of a failure as the Scoop collective does.

[dgies9156]

Milwaukee needs to up its Italian restaurant game immediately.

Zaretti's on the east side is great. Can't imagine Milwaukee's situation is worse than Louisville.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Honestly, I think if Wojo were fired after this year, the national media would be surprised.  I don't think they would collectively feel that Wojo was as big of a failure as the Scoop collective does.

I don't agree.  The national media is attracted to a story.  Wojo isnt one.  MU is off the radar, the admin hasnt said anything controversial and neither has Wojo.  Nothing to speak of to write about because its not like fans are booing at games either.  Namely its not a story because it appears MU is fine with the level of performance.

If Wojo got fired we would probably get a collective shrug - not one of surprise. 

[goldeneagle91114]

I don't agree.  The national media is attracted to a story.  Wojo isnt one.  MU is off the radar, the admin hasnt said anything controversial and neither has Wojo.  Nothing to speak of to write about because its not like fans are booing at games either.  Namely its not a story because it appears MU is fine with the level of performance.

If Wojo got fired we would probably get a collective shrug - not one of surprise.

Agree, It's only a story if your team is relevant in the college basketball landscape. Our BPI is 85, next to schools like UAB, Grand Canyon, UNC Greensboro, Belmont, Duquesne and Liberty.

In addition, Marquette isn't in a Power 5 conference, doesn't have a contract with ESPN, Doesn't have Markus Howard (or another POW candidate) and hasn't won a NCAA tournament game since 2013.

We're about as irrelevant as it gets

[cheebs09]

I don't agree.  The national media is attracted to a story.  Wojo isnt one.  MU is off the radar, the admin hasnt said anything controversial and neither has Wojo.  Nothing to speak of to write about because its not like fans are booing at games either.  Namely its not a story because it appears MU is fine with the level of performance.

If Wojo got fired we would probably get a collective shrug - not one of surprise.

I also think writers are pretty cautious about suggesting someone should be fired or on the hot seat. I'm guessing coaches are one of their primary sources of info, so wouldn't want to burn that bridge.

[4everwarriors]

Does the administration care whether the men's basketball program is relevant or not, hey?

[The Sultan]

I don't agree.  The national media is attracted to a story.  Wojo isnt one.  MU is off the radar, the admin hasnt said anything controversial and neither has Wojo.  Nothing to speak of to write about because its not like fans are booing at games either.  Namely its not a story because it appears MU is fine with the level of performance.

If Wojo got fired we would probably get a collective shrug - not one of surprise. 

Well, I don't think we are going to fine out because I doubt he will be gone after this year, but my point is that in general college basketball people don't view that Wojo is doing a poor job.  I can't find a single article anywhere suggesting that he is on the hot seat now.  So there will be surprise.

"Oh my God I can't believe they fired him!" No.

"Oh wow I didn't see that coming."  Definitely.