Markus story from afar

[The Equalizer]

Boy this board is turning nasty quickly, especially during the Christmas season.

2) Will this go on every time Sam has a good game for UVA or the Baby Hauser at MSU? Gosh, I hope not.

No--it will happen when they have bad games as well.  The other side will bring it up.

[Elonsmusk]

I want to issue an apology.  Wades, Sultan, 82, Cheeks, TAMU - you've finally convinced me.  Let me revise: 

Wojo has done a remarkable job, coming into the train wreck of a program Marquette was at the time of his hire.  It sure felt like MU Hoops 1988 when he took over. 

I know I'm not excited about next year's recruiting class, considering it is ranked worse than the "empty cupboard" one he inherited from Buzz in 2013.   

Here's to hoping for an NCAA win in Year 6!

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah.

[Shooter McGavin]

Markus Howard is fine representative of the University

I appreciate your attempt to get this thread back on track. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I want to issue an apology.  Wades, Sultan, 82, Cheeks, TAMU - you've finally convinced me.  Let me revise: 

Wojo has done a remarkable job, coming into the train wreck of a program Marquette was at the time of his hire.  It sure felt like MU Hoops 1988 when he took over. 

No one said it was like 1988 MUhoops when Wojo took over. People said that they were not a tournament team. A statement which was backed by KenPom, who I know you are big fan of, the Big East coaches, every bracketologiest, and just about every (or maybe just every) basketball talking head out there.

I know I'm not excited about next year's recruiting class, considering it is ranked worse than the "empty cupboard" one he inherited from Buzz in 2013.   

That's too bad, I'm excited. Class rankings are far from a sure thing, some are overrated, some are underrated, some are right on the money. Buzz' 2013 class was overrated. Maybe next year's class will be overrated too but Wojo's staff has shown some ability to identify top FR talent early before they blow up (but has had trouble landing them). Buzz had a lot more success identifying 3 stars and JUCOs who were underrated. Many of his top 100 recurits ended up being busts compared to their rankings.

[Cheeks]

I want to issue an apology.  Wades, Sultan, 82, Cheeks, TAMU - you've finally convinced me.  Let me revise: 

Wojo has done a remarkable job, coming into the train wreck of a program Marquette was at the time of his hire.  It sure felt like MU Hoops 1988 when he took over. 

I know I'm not excited about next year's recruiting class, considering it is ranked worse than the "empty cupboard" one he inherited from Buzz in 2013.   

Here's to hoping for an NCAA win in Year 6!

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah.

Can you point to where anyone here said it was 1988?   You cannot.

So you now just told a whopper because you were called out on your very poor illlogical comments Hank Raymond's record and Wojo's.  You posted false numbers on top of it, now your way around that is to equivocate 1988 with 2014....which no one claimed here.

Keep digging

[Pakuni]

I know I'm not excited about next year's recruiting class, considering it is ranked worse than the "empty cupboard" one he inherited from Buzz in 2013.   

Wojo really blew it with the best player in the recruiting class.
Some guy named Jameel McKay.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I want to issue an apology.  Wades, Sultan, 82, Cheeks, TAMU - you've finally convinced me.  Let me revise: 

Wojo has done a remarkable job, coming into the train wreck of a program Marquette was at the time of his hire.  It sure felt like MU Hoops 1988 when he took over. 

I know I'm not excited about next year's recruiting class, considering it is ranked worse than the "empty cupboard" one he inherited from Buzz in 2013.   

Here's to hoping for an NCAA win in Year 6!

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah.

Elon, smoke some weed

[Small Orange Soda]

So a team returning everyone...who lost their last six of seven, two to another BE team who returned their core players, was going to be ranked fifth by adding Koby and Greg from 33 in Pomeroy at season's end? Yet, without the Hausers but with Koby and Greg are just 30th in Pomeroy this year?

Me thinks the "Too Early" ranking was too early. With the Hausers, MU couldn't win just one game to clinch the BE down the stretch...got pushed around by Seton Hall (twice) and got posterized (literally) by Murray State. That's not a Top 5 portfolio.

Besides, if the Hausers returned, likely some of the following wouldn't have: Sacar, Bailey, Cain and Markus.  Top 5 would have been pufft in that scenario too. This is fun.

Here is the reality: After non-conference, MU will have the same number of losses as last season at this time, both blow-outs away from home.

I'm glad you're having fun explaining all the ways Wojo wouldn't have been able to keep together a top 10 squad. Not a great look for him.

[Billy Hoyle]

Why do you give Deane a pass for taking over a great core of a Sweet 16 team and leading it to an NIT final?

Great core? Deane lost 3 senior starters from that Sweet 16 team. Only one returner averaged double figures the previous season (Rony Eford) and of course, there was Tony Miller. Other than that there was a lot of inexperience with Tony and Will Gates (who didn't play in 1993-94) being the only seniors and three rising sophomores being thrust into the rotation.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Magic Dawson is to the Muskettes as Krunti Hester is to Mike Deane.

[tower912]

I guess it is safe to say the fault lines still exist.

[wadesworld]

I want to issue an apology.  Wades, Sultan, 82, Cheeks, TAMU - you've finally convinced me.  Let me revise: 

Wojo has done a remarkable job, coming into the train wreck of a program Marquette was at the time of his hire.  It sure felt like MU Hoops 1988 when he took over. 

I know I'm not excited about next year's recruiting class, considering it is ranked worse than the "empty cupboard" one he inherited from Buzz in 2013.   

Here's to hoping for an NCAA win in Year 6!

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah.

Glad you backed down from your laughable claim. As stated yesterday maybe think about going back to dunking on people at the Y. Your analysis stinks.

[UWW2MU]

Maybe it's just the frustration with last minute christmas tasks, but this thread is absolutely infuriating.  I'd love to get impressions from outside stories on Markus and have a discussion about those perspectives.  Instead, all I've seen is crap about Wojo vs Buzz, Crean years, empty cupboards, personal insults, and "you are ignoring this user" (which made up a majority of pages!).

What is wrong with you people??  It's Christmas eveeve.  Ask yourself, would Santa approve?  Or at least look at the title of the thread and ask yourself; does my post have anything to do with those words?

[Shooter McGavin]

Agreed.  There are few grade A D-bags on this thread.   However some of them make good points originally, then their bizzarro D-bag feels the need to counter their point (failing to consider at all that it may at least partially be a good one).   Then both D-bags and Bizzaro D-bags go to their corners and dig deeper into their D-bag bags and the thread dies a slow death.

[GooooMarquette]

I want to issue an apology.  Wades, Sultan, 82, Cheeks, TAMU - you've finally convinced me.  Let me revise: 

Wojo has done a remarkable job, coming into the train wreck of a program Marquette was at the time of his hire.  It sure felt like MU Hoops 1988 when he took over. 

I know I'm not excited about next year's recruiting class, considering it is ranked worse than the "empty cupboard" one he inherited from Buzz in 2013.   

Here's to hoping for an NCAA win in Year 6!

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah.

You make it sound as though the only available grades are A+ or F. In real life, most of the action occurs in between.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Maybe it's just the frustration with last minute christmas tasks, but this thread is absolutely infuriating.  I'd love to get impressions from outside stories on Markus and have a discussion about those perspectives.  Instead, all I've seen is crap about Wojo vs Buzz, Crean years, empty cupboards, personal insults, and "you are ignoring this user" (which made up a majority of pages!).

What is wrong with you people??  It's Christmas eveeve.  Ask yourself, would Santa approve?  Or at least look at the title of the thread and ask yourself; does my post have anything to do with those words?

[Elonsmusk]

You make it sound as though the only available grades are A+ or F. In real life, most of the action occurs in between.

True.  That being said, we invest A+ dollars into our men's basketball program and have gotten "C" returns through 5 years.  Usually in real life that would lead to either termination, or demotion.  In this case, it has led to contract extensions and raises.

Additionally, the "results" thus far have coincided with having Marquette's All-time leading scorer, last year's Big East POY, and consensus Second Team All-American.  (Getting this back on topic and Santa approved.)

[Cheeks]

True.  That being said, we invest A+ dollars into our men's basketball program and have gotten "C" returns through 5 years.  Usually in real life that would lead to either termination, or demotion.  In this case, it has led to contract extensions and raises.

Additionally, the "results" thus far have coincided with having Marquette's All-time leading scorer, last year's Big East POY, and consensus Second Team All-American.  (Getting this back on topic and Santa approved.)

Misleading....again.

We invest a lot of money just to be relevent, for starters.  We have to be a premium because of size, location, weather, conference geography (travel). Our budget is not offset by football and other shared expenses that so many football schools are able to do.  You and others continue to fail to mention this as if it doesn't exist.  Every MU away game sans one requires a plane...we charter.  That's not the case for many Big Ten games, ACC games, SEC, etc.   MU wants an improved weight room...bball is paying for it...other schools (football is paying for it).  And on and on.

Usually, in real life, they also look to see how things started (what was inherited) and the trajectory of the program.  The trajectory remains good...three straight post season bids, this year is promising, next year's recruiting class, no embarrassing off the court (the exact opposite) situations. 

[The Sultan]

Not to mention we have gotten higher than "C" results.

[Galway Eagle]

Misleading....again.

We invest a lot of money just to be relevent, for starters.  We have to be a premium because of size, location, weather, conference geography (travel). Our budget is not offset by football and other shared expenses that so many football schools are able to do.  You and others continue to fail to mention this as if it doesn't exist.  Every MU away game sans one requires a plane...we charter.  That's not the case for many Big Ten games, ACC games, SEC, etc.   MU wants an improved weight room...bball is paying for it...other schools (football is paying for it).  And on and on.

Usually, in real life, they also look to see how things started (what was inherited) and the trajectory of the program.  The trajectory remains good...three straight post season bids, this year is promising, next year's recruiting class, no embarrassing off the court (the exact opposite) situations.

I'd say two away games don't require a plane. Unless we fly into Madison which is a waste

[Cheeks]

I'd say two away games don't require a plane. Unless we fly into Madison which is a waste

I meant to say conference games which is why I listed the other conferences, thank you for the correction.  For example, Iowa buses to Madison and Northwestern. 

[dinger]

I know this question has 0 to do with the nice story about Markus, but how much of our bball budget is rent at Fiserv? Or do we even count that?

[source?]

I meant to say conference games which is why I listed the other conferences, thank you for the correction.  For example, Iowa buses to Madison and Northwestern.

Add Drake?

[GooooMarquette]

Add Drake?

Drake joined the Big Ten? I guess it makes sense since they took Rutgers.

[Elonsmusk]

Not to mention we have gotten higher than "C" results.

You are entitled to your opinion, and ultimately this probably is factual in the mind of a person with low standards and expectations for the MU program.

Misleading....again.

We invest a lot of money just to be relevent, for starters.  We have to be a premium because of size, location, weather, conference geography (travel). Our budget is not offset by football and other shared expenses that so many football schools are able to do.  You and others continue to fail to mention this as if it doesn't exist.  Every MU away game sans one requires a plane...we charter.  That's not the case for many Big Ten games, ACC games, SEC, etc.   MU wants an improved weight room...bball is paying for it...other schools (football is paying for it).  And on and on.

Usually, in real life, they also look to see how things started (what was inherited) and the trajectory of the program.  The trajectory remains good...three straight post season bids, this year is promising, next year's recruiting class, no embarrassing off the court (the exact opposite) situations. 

Hot air.  All of the above existed for Crean and Buzz and they both markedly outperformed Wojo in their first 5 years on the job.  Pretty sure when K.O and Denae were coach the "weight room" was in the Old Gym, shared with all other sports teams - super awesome facility to recruit to.