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Jon

Not the most compelling slate of employment options.

I am amazed at how little vets make. As medical doctors I presumed they were better paid.

Jay Bee

Where did 'soccer player' land in the rankings?
The portal is NOT closed.

warriorchick

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Quote from: Jon on August 21, 2019, 07:12:58 PM
Not the most compelling slate of employment options.

I am amazed at how little vets make. As medical doctors I presumed they were better paid.

I am amazed that a man with your superior intellect doesn't know that education and compensation are not necessarily correlated.
Have some patience, FFS.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Jon on August 21, 2019, 07:12:58 PM
Not the most compelling slate of employment options.

I am amazed at how little vets make. As medical doctors I presumed they were better paid.
The vets I know make a crap ton more than indicated in that article.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

forgetful

Quote from: TSmith34 on August 21, 2019, 09:54:55 PM
The vets I know make a crap ton more than indicated in that article.

That's right about in the middle of the different vets I know.


Jon

Quote from: warriorchick on August 21, 2019, 07:33:33 PM
I am amazed that a man with your superior intellect doesn't know that education and compensation are not necessarily correlated.

I am stunned that someone who has bonded with Jen Lada in the way you have would not have RTF statement which includes the important caveat of vets being medical doctors

Jon

Quote from: TSmith34 on August 21, 2019, 09:54:55 PM
The vets I know make a crap ton more than indicated in that article.

I think there is a range based on market and possible clinical practice focus. We have horses (we being the royal we as I didn't wake up saying I want horses) and the vets who care for them seem to do alright.

Unlike bread and butter vets, who have clinic-based practices and see a range of animals, I think equine vets have lower overheads since their office is a Ford F 250.

I liken that focus as being akin to the airline which employs just one airframe (ie Southwest flying just 73s) which limits spare parts inventory, training costs, etc...

warriorchick

Quote from: Jon on August 22, 2019, 08:41:38 AM
I am stunned that someone who has bonded with Jen Lada in the way you have would not have RTF statement which includes the important caveat of vets being medical doctors

How does that refute what I said in any way?

Feel free to cut and paste an answer from another source and pass it off as your own words.
Have some patience, FFS.

#UnleashSean

If Cheeks, muta, and mu82 join this thread it may become a classic.

StillAWarrior

Quote from: Jon on August 22, 2019, 08:49:48 AM
I think there is a range based on market and possible clinical practice focus. We have horses (we being the royal we as I didn't wake up saying I want horses) and the vets who care for them seem to do alright.

Unlike bread and butter vets, who have clinic-based practices and see a range of animals, I think equine vets have lower overheads since their office is a Ford F 250.

I liken that focus as being akin to the airline which employs just one airframe (ie Southwest flying just 73s) which limits spare parts inventory, training costs, etc...

One of my co-workers has a son that is an equine vet working primarily at a top race track.  My understanding is that he is extremely well paid.  Then again, he's at the absolute pinnacle of his profession.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

Jon

Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 22, 2019, 09:18:06 AM
One of my co-workers has a son that is an equine vet working primarily at a top race track.  My understanding is that he is extremely well paid.  Then again, he's at the absolute pinnacle of his profession.

I think our vet is doing just fine. I don't think her fees are out of line for the work she does and I know she has a thriving practice in Seattle Horse Country.

What's interesting is that theBabyDavid's mother took out a health insurance policy for the horses which actually covers most of the costs of care - crazy that in America farm animals have access to better health care than some humans.

Of course, she grew up on a ranch in Idaho and I grew up in the Hiroo section of Tokyo so what do I know about horses?

JWags85

Quote from: Jon on August 21, 2019, 07:12:58 PM
Not the most compelling slate of employment options.

I am amazed at how little vets make. As medical doctors I presumed they were better paid.

I've also been under the impression that vet school is harder to get into than med school.  Less options and not a bunch of lower end options in the Caribbean for example.  But I imagine, as others have said, there is likely a ton of variability.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Jon on August 22, 2019, 09:32:44 AM
Of course, she grew up on a ranch in Idaho and I grew up in the Hiroo section of Tokyo so what do I know about horses?

Thanks for the softball....


mu03eng

Quote from: Jon on August 22, 2019, 09:32:44 AM
and I grew up in the Hiroo section of Tokyo so what do I know about horses?

Given your extensive travels in Europe I'd assume its limited to generally what they taste like  ;D
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

mu03eng

Quote from: #UnleashCain on August 22, 2019, 08:53:49 AM
If Cheeks, muta, and mu82 join this thread it may become a classic.

If they all show up in a thread, the internet explodes.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

warriorchick

Quote from: JWags85 on August 22, 2019, 10:27:22 AM
I've also been under the impression that vet school is harder to get into than med school.  Less options and not a bunch of lower end options in the Caribbean for example.  But I imagine, as others have said, there is likely a ton of variability.


Supply and demand at work.  My guess is that the overwhelming majority of vets are huge animal lovers.  It's their dream job, so they don't mind that they aren't paid massive sums of money.  How many kids say they want to be a gastroenterologist when they grow up?
Have some patience, FFS.

MUBurrow

Quote from: Jon on August 22, 2019, 09:32:44 AM
What's interesting is that theBabyDavid's mother took out a health insurance policy for the horses which actually covers most of the costs of care - crazy that in America farm animals have access to better health care than some humans.


I recently got a large breed dog that can have some notoriously high health care costs, particularly as they age, and I ran the numbers on getting her insured.  I ultimately decided against it, but it was a close call. I don't know what year over year trends are in vet costs (and likely with them, vet compensation) but I wouldn't be surprised if 5 years from now, I'd pull the trigger on the insurance.

forgetful

Quote from: warriorchick on August 22, 2019, 10:31:21 AM

Supply and demand at work.  My guess is that the overwhelming majority of vets are huge animal lovers.  It's their dream job, so they don't mind that they aren't paid massive sums of money.  How many kids say they want to be a gastroenterologist when they grow up?

Honestly, on the medical side, the number of doctors is kept artificially low compared to demand. There are many kids that dream of being any kind of doctor, have superb grades and scores 99% of the US population could never achieve, but are not able to get into medical school, because of artificially low number of seats.

Often we then end up with the doctors that hate actually being a doctor, but did it for the money.

JWags85

Quote from: forgetful on August 22, 2019, 10:58:45 AM
Honestly, on the medical side, the number of doctors is kept artificially low compared to demand. There are many kids that dream of being any kind of doctor, have superb grades and scores 99% of the US population could never achieve, but are not able to get into medical school, because of artificially low number of seats.

Often we then end up with the doctors that hate actually being a doctor, but did it for the money.

Its pretty crazy.  I always think about it when I encounter a bad or apathetic doctor.  I had a gf in college I'm still good friends with.  All she wanted to do was be a doctor.  Even transferred schools to improve her overall GPA.  Graduated with a 3.8 from a very good undergrad school, worked in an outside medical lab her last 1.5 years of school, didn't have a stellar MCAT score, but if it was an LSAT score, it would be the difference between going to BC or IU law school, compared to Northwestern, so still quite good.  She didn't get accepted anywhere.  Even went and got a Masters in Public Health from a great grad school.  Reapplied, waitlisted to a mediocre med school but otherwise no dice.  She was 25-26 by that point and said screw it and is now a very successful researcher.  Med school acceptance is a wild game

ZiggysFryBoy

Visions might get shut down, so there's 15 or so ladies out of work.  Damn you Madison city council.

StillAWarrior

Quote from: JWags85 on August 22, 2019, 11:52:18 AM
Its pretty crazy.  I always think about it when I encounter a bad or apathetic doctor.  I had a gf in college I'm still good friends with.  All she wanted to do was be a doctor.  Even transferred schools to improve her overall GPA.  Graduated with a 3.8 from a very good undergrad school, worked in an outside medical lab her last 1.5 years of school, didn't have a stellar MCAT score, but if it was an LSAT score, it would be the difference between going to BC or IU law school, compared to Northwestern, so still quite good.  She didn't get accepted anywhere.  Even went and got a Masters in Public Health from a great grad school.  Reapplied, waitlisted to a mediocre med school but otherwise no dice.  She was 25-26 by that point and said screw it and is now a very successful researcher.  Med school acceptance is a wild game

Several of my son's classmates went through the process this past year.  One aspect that I didn't know about was that medical schools generally require in-person interviews.  Applicants can end up spending an awful lot of money traveling for interviews.  Given the technology available these days, it seems ridiculous to require these students to travel across the country for an interview.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Jon on August 22, 2019, 08:49:48 AM
I think there is a range based on market and possible clinical practice focus. We have horses (we being the royal we as I didn't wake up saying I want horses) and the vets who care for them seem to do alright.

Unlike bread and butter vets, who have clinic-based practices and see a range of animals, I think equine vets have lower overheads since their office is a Ford F 250.

I liken that focus as being akin to the airline which employs just one airframe (ie Southwest flying just 73s) which limits spare parts inventory, training costs, etc...
I agree with this analysis
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

The Sultan

Quote from: Jon on August 22, 2019, 08:49:48 AM
I think there is a range based on market and possible clinical practice focus. We have horses (we being the royal we as I didn't wake up saying I want horses) and the vets who care for them seem to do alright.

Unlike bread and butter vets, who have clinic-based practices and see a range of animals, I think equine vets have lower overheads since their office is a Ford F 250.

I liken that focus as being akin to the airline which employs just one airframe (ie Southwest flying just 73s) which limits spare parts inventory, training costs, etc...



Dairy vets are in the same boat.  But it is really hard on the body.

Good friend of mine was a very successful dairy vet, but when his youngest graduated from college, he said "F*ck it" and went into vet pharma sales.  He said his body couldn't take much more of that work.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jon

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 22, 2019, 10:27:59 AM
Thanks for the softball....



Actually I don't have much to do with the horses. I spend the week in Seattle and riding a horse isn't how I want to spend my free time.

We recently got a Pony of the Americas for the boy but he's still too young to ride. I am guessing I will have to be involved in that in some way next year.

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