Real MLB Thread

[ZiggysFryBoy]

In Game 7 of the 2001 World Series, a Diamondback was HBP to load the bases with one out before Luis Gonzalez hit the blooper off Mariano Rivera to win it.  The HBP could have hit the knob--but before video replay--the ump awarded the batter his base and the matter quickly moved on.

The Diamondback who was hit, of course, was Craig Counsell.

If it hit Counsell's bat, the pitch was 2 feet above his head.   

[CTWarrior]

After last night 9 straights losses in winner-take-all postseason games for the A's since 2002.  Last night on the broadcast they mentioned that their two season total of 194 wins was the most in MLB history for a team that did not win a league or division in either year.  Then they got snuffed out easily both times in the playoffs.

Should be an excellent postseason this year, with 4 100+ win teams, and the balance with 97, 96, 93 and 91 wins.  That is solid mix of good to great teams.

Something tells me this will be the Dodgers year, though I think the Astros are the most well-rounded (and best) team.  I'll be rooting for a Nats-Rays series.  With nothing left to root for (I was on the Brewers bandwagon for 9 whole innings), I'd like to see a team who hasn't won before win one.  The Yankees, Astros and Cardinals each have won in the last 10 years, so will be rooting against them.

But really and always, please anybody but the Yankees!

[buckchuckler]

After last night 9 straights losses in winner-take-all postseason games for the A's since 2002.  Last night on the broadcast they mentioned that their two season total of 194 wins was the most in MLB history for a team that did not win a league or division in either year.  Then they got snuffed out easily both times in the playoffs.

Should be an excellent postseason this year, with 4 100+ win teams, and the balance with 97, 96, 93 and 91 wins.  That is solid mix of good to great teams.

Something tells me this will be the Dodgers year, though I think the Astros are the most well-rounded (and best) team.  I'll be rooting for a Nats-Rays series.  With nothing left to root for (I was on the Brewers bandwagon for 9 whole innings), I'd like to see a team who hasn't won before win one.  The Yankees, Astros and Cardinals each have won in the last 10 years, so will be rooting against them.

But really and always, please anybody but the Yankees!

I'm in no way disappointed the Ray's won, but I would have loved to see the A's advance.  I love to watch that team and wish they got to play a bit more.  I would have loved a series with the Rays.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

I'm rooting for Nats vs. Twins.

Which means it'll probably be Dodgers vs. Yankees.

[MU82]

nm

[buckchuckler]

Does an actual Cherokee Indian, who also happens to pitch for the Cardinals, have a "right" to be offended by Braves fans doing the chop (with the team actively urging on those fans by playing the accompanying music)?

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/cards-helsley-a-member-of-cherokee-nation-calls-chop-chant/article_4150156e-89ae-5e55-8e0d-7936eeef8ded.html

Should the Braves care if Ryan Helsley and other Indians are offended? After all, in the past, teams have hidden behind polls that have shown that most Indians theoretically don't care about this stuff.

I could give all kinds of "what-ifs" -- what if they were the Atlanta Catholics and fans were encouraged to depict priests raping little boys -- but really, there is no such equivalent. Same with blacks or Jews or whatever. So I guess it's just A-OK that even in 2019 Indians are allowed to be mocked as scalpin' savages even if it offends 20% or 30% or whatever % of them?

Seriously, find another way to cry out for attention.

[buckchuckler]

Wow, the Yankees continue to just down the Twins in the playoffs.

[Cheeks]

Does an actual Cherokee Indian, who also happens to pitch for the Cardinals, have a "right" to be offended by Braves fans doing the chop (with the team actively urging on those fans by playing the accompanying music)?

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/cards-helsley-a-member-of-cherokee-nation-calls-chop-chant/article_4150156e-89ae-5e55-8e0d-7936eeef8ded.html

Should the Braves care if Ryan Helsley and other Indians are offended? After all, in the past, teams have hidden behind polls that have shown that most Indians theoretically don't care about this stuff.

I could give all kinds of "what-ifs" -- what if they were the Atlanta Catholics and fans were encouraged to depict priests raping little boys -- but really, there is no such equivalent. Same with blacks or Jews or whatever. So I guess it's just A-OK that even in 2019 Indians are allowed to be mocked as scalpin' savages even if it offends 20% or 30% or whatever % of them?

You threw out a poll the other day and because you said a majority of folks approved it, that's all that matters.  Now you argue the exact opposite as polls overwhelmingly show this kind of thing is a nothing burger.

So which is it....do polls matter or only matter for the stuff you decide it matters for?

[buckchuckler]

This FS1 broadcast is great.

[MU82]

You threw out a poll the other day and because you said a majority of folks approved it, that's all that matters.  Now you argue the exact opposite as polls overwhelmingly show this kind of thing is a nothing burger.

So which is it....do polls matter or only matter for the stuff you decide it matters for?

Any of us could ask the same question of your cherry-picking of polls you choose to embrace and ignore.

I'm talking about a real Indian who really pitches in the majors being really offended by the Atlanta Scalpin' Savages imagery. I happen to think this one doesn't need a poll, but others are allowed to disagree.

Seriously, find another way to cry out for attention.

Well, it is an actual situation that is very much in the news.

[buckchuckler]

Well, it is an actual situation that is very much in the news.

The situation is sure.  Your editorializing wasn't.

And it seems pretty obvious that you just threw it out to start a fight with Chico's. And a fight you've had a million times at that.

Don't you two have enough threads in which to fight?

[MU82]

The situation is sure.  Your editorializing wasn't.

And it seems pretty obvious that you just threw it out to start a fight with Chico's. And a fight you've had a million times at that.

Don't you two have enough threads in which to fight?

Editorializing? It was an opinion. We all have them -- even you, buck.

This is an interesting topic that many have discussed. I was going to promise not to respond to anything hoopaloop says about it ... but after reflection, given what you have said, I instead have decided to delete my comment.

I don't want to muck up the MLB thread. It can be another conversation for another day in a different thread.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend, my friend.

[Cheeks]

Any of us could ask the same question of your cherry-picking of polls you choose to embrace and ignore.

I'm talking about a real Indian who really pitches in the majors being really offended by the Atlanta Scalpin' Savages imagery. I happen to think this one doesn't need a poll, but others are allowed to disagree.

Well, it is an actual situation that is very much in the news.

Why of course you move the goalposts and have a different standard.  And when "real Indians" (Your words) say Indian mascots, names, etc are ok in polling, interviews, etc, we ignore those b3cause they don't align with your views...got it.  So the real Indian matters when you want it to matter, but their views don't matter when you don't want it to matter.  How awesome is that!!!  I can think of a faux Indian we could ask the question that no doubt would give you the answer and support you want.


Hell, even the mechanical sponsorship cows are in on it

https://youtu.be/F2K5VftaByU

[WarriorDad]

If Nationals can get deep with their starting pitching, they have a shot to know off Los Angeles.  Their bullpen is not good, but Scherzer tonight gives them an excellent chance to move up 2-1.

[Cheeks]

If Nationals can get deep with their starting pitching, they have a shot to know off Los Angeles.  Their bullpen is not good, but Scherzer tonight gives them an excellent chance to move up 2-1.

Max Scherzer isn't pitching tonight

[WI inferiority Complexes]

This FS1 broadcast is great.

Both Pierzynski and Girardi name-drop a lot.  Who cares if Adam Dunn or a retired umpire is texting you?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Both Pierzynski and Girardi name-drop a lot.  Who cares if Adam Dunn or a retired umpire is texting you?

Cheeks does!

[Cheeks]

Cheeks does!

I want you to know how much I admire and love you.

[Lennys Tap]

Max Scherzer isn't pitching tonight

I love what you did there.

[CTWarrior]

The Yankees have some sort of crazy voodoo over the Twins.

Including the playoffs, since 2002 the Twins are 37-103 (.264 43-119 over 162 game season pace) against the Yankees, including 2-16 in the postseason (losing all five playoff series and one wild card game).

When not playing the Yankees the Twins have a winning record over that time, with a 1,443 - 1,365 record, including the postseason (.514  83-79 pace).

[WI inferiority Complexes]

The Twins went 47-16 against the White Sox, Royals, Tigers, and Orioles en route to their 101 win season. I was rooting for them, but they would've probably been a fourth place team in the AL East or NL Central., and had no chance against the Yankees.

[wadesworld]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SouthsideZo/status/1181353567195668480?s=19

The Cardinal Way. The unwritten rule book the Cards wrote allow for this.

[JWags85]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SouthsideZo/status/1181353567195668480?s=19

The Cardinal Way. The unwritten rule book the Cards wrote allow for this.

Molina is such a massive hypocrite, cause he'd have a conniption of this was done to them.  Speaking of, has anyone check to see if Brian McCann is alive?  I imagine he must have spontaneously combusted.

[MU82]

Molina is such a massive hypocrite, cause he'd have a conniption of this was done to them.  Speaking of, has anyone check to see if Brian McCann is alive?  I imagine he must have spontaneously combusted.

I thought the same when I saw it.

That being said, I really, really like and respect Yadier Molina. He's been a hell of a ballplayer and a gamer for nearly two decades now.

[JWags85]

I thought the same when I saw it.

That being said, I really, really like and respect Yadier Molina. He's been a hell of a ballplayer and a gamer for nearly two decades now.

I would never say like or respect, other than respect for his ability as a player.  He's an incredible catcher and has been a consistent force for a long time.  But he's also been a magnificent tool and outright douche for most of those years as well.  Beloved by Cardinals fans, but reviled otherwise in my experience.