Three Man Weave Season Preview

[mileskishnish72]

, I'm not saying Bailey will be better than or even as good as JWil or JFB.
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Much as I loved JFB, I hope Brendan will be better.

I had the feeling that Sacar shot better later in the year, but I was surprised to see he did 43% in conference.
Nice article, thanks for posting, but to call Chartouney a key loss is being overly kind.

[GB Warrior]

I think Bailey and Cain should be firmly planted in the corners more often than not, and let both crash the boards hard.

[We R Final Four]

, I'm not saying Bailey will be better than or even as good as JWil or JFB.


Much as I loved JFB, I hope Brendan will be better.

I had the feeling that Sacar shot better later in the year, but I was surprised to see he did 43% in conference.
Nice article, thanks for posting, but to call Chartouney a key loss is being overly kind.

Chardonnay missing the layup at Creighton.....allowing more time to come off the clock......then putting it back to close the deficit to 3, will be his greatest contribution this past season.

[Jay Bee]

Chardonnay missing the layup at Creighton.....allowing more time to come off the clock......then putting it back to close the deficit to 3, will be his greatest contribution this past season.

"My team won because I screwed up terribly" isn't something a ton of guys can say, but re: that game, he can. Legend!

[Lennys Tap]

He was pretty close to Jamil's first year at Oregon and I would say in the same universe as JFB's first year in blue and gold. Jamil and JFB definitely had better first years but I don't think it's by that much.

JFB: 19.6 mpg, 5.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.7 apg, 0.5 spg, 0.7 bpg for 6 seed
JW: 16.9 mpg, 4.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.5 spg, 0.5 bpg for team that missed the NIT
BB: 14.1 mpg, 3.2 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.4 apg, 0.4 spg, 0.5 bpg for 5 seed

To be clear, I'm not saying Bailey will be better than or even as good as JWil or JFB. Or even close to them for that matter. I'm just suggesting that we shouldn't compare his freshman year to their senior years.

Fair enough, but but JFB was 3+ months YOUNGER his senior year than Brendan was his freshman year.

[The Sultan]

But Bailey also hadn't played competitive basketball in over two years.  That being said, if he becomes anything like JFB, I would be absolutely thrilled...and surprised.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Fair enough, but but JFB was 3+ months YOUNGER his senior year than Brendan was his freshman year.

That is a good point. Bailey definitely has an advantage there.

But just to check if I'm remembering this correctly, didn't you and I have a similar conversation about comparing Markus Howard's scoring with George Thompson's scoring? Didn't you say that it shouldn't matter that Markus was years younger than Thompson?

[4everwarriors]

Wee all talkin' 'bout da same Brendan Bailey dat wuz on MU's roster last season? Didn't sea know  JFB in 'im, hey?

[The Sultan]

Wee all talkin' 'bout da same Brendan Bailey dat wuz on MU's roster last season? Didn't sea know  JFB in 'im, hey?

Well during JFB's freshman year at MU, he was pretty much an all effort guy who could defend and rebound.  Not much scoring ability.  That pretty much is the same as what Bailey was.  So I could see a comparison...though not a perfect one.  Have to see how he develops obviously. 

[4everwarriors]

Yeah butt, it wuz evident Butler drank Schlitz malt liquor. Pretty sure Bailey is a chardonnay kinda dude, aina?

[wadesworld]

Yeah butt, it wuz evident Butler drank Schlitz malt liquor. Pretty sure Bailey is a chardonnay kinda dude, aina?

Given he was on a 2 year Mormon mission my guess is he's not big on alcohol consumption...

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wee all talkin' 'bout da same Brendan Bailey dat wuz on MU's roster last season? Didn't sea know  JFB in 'im, hey?

I see the comparison on the defensive end. Their offensive games are very different. Oddly, I think Jamil isn't the worst offensive comparison to BB

[Jay Bee]

Well during JFB's freshman year at MU, he was pretty much an all effort guy who could defend and rebound.  Not much scoring ability.  That pretty much is the same as what Bailey was.  So I could see a comparison...though not a perfect one.  Have to see how he develops obviously.

Butler's first year at MU: Astoundingly high 131 ORtg; 51.4% eFG%; didn't shoot treys (0/4); great ability to draw fouls (4.7/40); excellent OR% of 12.7%

BB: 104; 41.6%; shot more treys than 2's; didn't draw many fouls (2.4/40); weak OR% of 6.5%


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[4everwarriors]

Given he was on a 2 year Mormon mission my guess is he's not big on alcohol consumption...

Good point Fo, eye'll auto-correct to seltzer water, hey?

[The Sultan]

Butler's first year at MU: Astoundingly high 131 ORtg; 51.4% eFG%; didn't shoot treys (0/4); great ability to draw fouls (4.7/40); excellent OR% of 12.7%

BB: 104; 41.6%; shot more treys than 2's; didn't draw many fouls (2.4/40); weak OR% of 6.5%


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Thanks for the clarification.

"Relative low usage meant he didn't have much impact on the offensive end" would have been a better statement.

And yeah I don't think BB evolves into JFB.

[Jay Bee]

Thanks for the clarification.

"Relative low usage meant he didn't have much impact on the offensive end" would have been a better statement.

And yeah I don't think BB evolves into JFB.

Let me put it a different way: when you said, "Butler was 'pretty much the same as Bailey'", the truth is that's an AWFUL offensive comparison.

"hi, player a doesn't shoot threes and draws a lot of contact. That's pretty much the same as taking mostly threes and not getting to the line much." --- StN boi

[The Sultan]

Let me put it a different way: when you said, "Butler was 'pretty much the same as Bailey'", the truth is that's an AWFUL offensive comparison.

Noted.

[Lennys Tap]

That is a good point. Bailey definitely has an advantage there.

But just to check if I'm remembering this correctly, didn't you and I have a similar conversation about comparing Markus Howard's scoring with George Thompson's scoring? Didn't you say that it shouldn't matter that Markus was years younger than Thompson?

I don't recall that conversation TAMU (though I'm sure you're right), but George and Markus were both "young" for their class. They were both 17 when they arrived at Marquette. George turned 18 on November 29th of his freshman year, Markus in March of his freshman year. The fact that George a)didn't have several seasons of AAU/USA basketball experience during high school b)didn't get to play as a freshman, c) played without a shot clock, d) played without the 3 point shot e) played in a much shorter schedule and f) had a much lower usage % more than mitigate a few months difference in age.

With JFB and Brendan, the difference is 3 years 3 months.

[Marcus92]

Previews now posted for several more Big East teams: #31 Providence, #19 Creighton and #18 Seton Hall.

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/providence-preview-2020

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/creighton-preview-2020

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/seton-hall-preview-2020

Providence doesn't really worry me; I think the #31 ranking is quite generous. I'm not sure what Creighton's done to deserve top 20 standing, either. (Apparently the Jays were just unlucky in allowing opponents to shoot so well, rather than simply not being a very good defensive team.)

Seton Hall, on the other hand, could be even better than #18. Any team with Myles Powell has a chance to be very, very good. But with 3 seniors and 4 juniors, they also return a lot of experience (85% of their total minutes and 87.7% of their scoring, as noted in the preview). The biggest question might be whether Kevin Willard can get the most from all that talent.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Previews now posted for several more Big East teams: #31 Providence, #19 Creighton and #18 Seton Hall.

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/providence-preview-2020

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/creighton-preview-2020

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/seton-hall-preview-2020

Providence doesn't really worry me; I think the #31 ranking is quite generous. I'm not sure what Creighton's done to deserve top 20 standing, either. (Apparently the Jays were just unlucky in allowing opponents to shoot so well, rather than simply not being a very good defensive team.)

Seton Hall, on the other hand, could be even better than #18. Any team with Myles Powell has a chance to be very, very good. But with 3 seniors and 4 juniors, they also return a lot of experience (85% of their total minutes and 87.7% of their scoring, as noted in the preview). The biggest question might be whether Kevin Willard can get the most from all that talent.

I think if Holt is back healthy as you stated, PC will be significantly better. Creighton has some clouds over the program.  Hall returns a lot. I think Nova is a bit overrated and think Hall has to be the favorite.

[brewcity77]

I don't get all the Creighton love. With Krampelj gone, they'll just be an amplified version of last year. They'll take and make a lot of threes, but won't be able to stop anyone. Anyone that can slow their offense down even marginally will beat them because they aren't stopping anyone at the other end.

[Its DJOver]

I don't get all the Creighton love. With Krampelj gone, they'll just be an amplified version of last year. They'll take and make a lot of threes, but won't be able to stop anyone. Anyone that can slow their offense down even marginally will beat them because they aren't stopping anyone at the other end.

They're also awfully small. 6'-5" 200 lb Mitch Ballock as your staring 4?  Only player taller than 6'-8" other than Epperson is a grad transfer from Idaho State.  Talk about betting on a mid major player to be a contributor.  Throw in 6'-7" 205 lb Christian Bishop and you have the only three players than can even pretend to low post players.  Losing Krampelj's 7 board per game may hurt more than his scoring.

Edit:  Looked up Jones advanced stats, and against Big Sky competition, he could only manage 20 mpg because of foul trouble, he fouled out of 13 games last year.  His 7.9 fouls per 40 was higher than Theo's against Beast competition. CU better work on their ft defense.

[Marcus92]

With Krampelj gone, they'll just be an amplified version of last year.

I know I won't miss him.

In the first meeting between MU and Creighton last season, the Big Kramp scored 19 points -- despite shooting just 3 for 8 from the field, 0 for 3 from beyond the arc. Instead, he got almost all his points from the line: 13 of 14. Also added 8 boards, a steal and a block.

Unfortunately for Martin Krampelj and the Jays, that was the game Markus achieved basketball nirvana -- scoring 53 points on 15-26 from the field (57.7%), 10-14 from 3 (71.4%!), 13-15 from the line (86.7%), plus 6 assists in a 106-104 OT win. Nice try, Martin.

Game two flipped the script, a 66-60 loss at home on March 3. Kramp again scored 19 on 8-13 shooting with 6 boards, 2 blocks and a steal. Somehow, against all odds, seemingly defying all reason, Creighton actually looked like a team that could play defense. What the...???

That was the second of four straight baffling MU losses; fans would only see one more win the rest of the season.

[Herman Cain]

I don't get all the Creighton love. With Krampelj gone, they'll just be an amplified version of last year. They'll take and make a lot of threes, but won't be able to stop anyone. Anyone that can slow their offense down even marginally will beat them because they aren't stopping anyone at the other end.

The team presents multiple threats and historically have moved the ball to the open man. Yes if they are all cold they can beat . However the sheer number of decent shooters makes it tough to crap them down totally.

Also I think observers are assuming a healthy Epperson and continued growth from Christian Bishop.

I enjoy watching Creighton games in general and really look forward to the Creighton MU games as they tend to be high scoring fun events.

[brewcity77]

The team presents multiple threats and historically have moved the ball to the open man. Yes if they are all cold they can beat . However the sheer number of decent shooters makes it tough to crap them down totally.

Also I think observers are assuming a healthy Epperson and continued growth from Christian Bishop.

I enjoy watching Creighton games in general and really look forward to the Creighton MU games as they tend to be high scoring fun events.

I'm not saying they won't be fun or dangerous, but teams like that don't tend to be top-20 teams. They are 2017 and 2018 Marquette with less size. They might be a bubble team, but no way do I see them as a top-5 seed.