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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2019, 11:02:05 AM »
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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2019, 12:38:54 PM »
D3 athletes can get academic scholarships but not athletic ones.  The NCAA actually audits D3 schools on occasion to ensure that athetes are getting roughly the same financial aid as non-athletes at any particular school.

See the Kalamazoo College violation report on that. Athletic participation cannot have any role in awarding of aid to a student-athlete.
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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2019, 04:17:40 PM »
All of the NESCAC schools are elite academically and it’s a great basketball conference too. I play with a number of guys who play(ed) NESCAC ball. If this kids scoring over 20ppg he’s pretty legit

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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2019, 09:10:39 PM »
All of the NESCAC schools are elite academically and it’s a great basketball conference too. I play with a number of guys who play(ed) NESCAC ball. If this kids scoring over 20ppg he’s pretty legit.

Would be awesome if MU could land the next Terry Porter.
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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2019, 08:46:49 AM »
Would be awesome if MU could land the next Terry Porter.

That would make Wojo Dick Bennett.  And one of Wojo's kids would be Tony Bennett.  Then we'd be set with coaching for YEARS.
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« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2019, 09:32:06 AM »
That would make Wojo Dick Bennett.  And one of Wojo's kids would be Tony Bennett.  Then we'd be set with coaching for YEARS.

Until Marquette runs Wojo off to give the job to Chad Harris, ostracizing the Wojciechowski family and insuring his son will end up leading Boston College (by way of LMU) to a national title.

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« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2019, 09:37:34 AM »
See the Kalamazoo College violation report on that. Athletic participation cannot have any role in awarding of aid to a student-athlete.

My recollection -- and you could probably verify -- is that even leadership roles in athletics (e.g., "four year team captain") cannot be considered for a scholarship based upon leadership activities.  If my understanding is correct, that always seemed a little unfair to me.  But, I guess I understand the thinking there...it would be a pretty significant loophole.
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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2019, 09:46:45 AM »
My recollection -- and you could probably verify -- is that even leadership roles in athletics (e.g., "four year team captain") cannot be considered for a scholarship based upon leadership activities.  If my understanding is correct, that always seemed a little unfair to me.  But, I guess I understand the thinking there...it would be a pretty significant loophole.


Your understanding is correct.  In fact, D3 scholarship athletes cannot receive any scholarships from their local high school, community foundation, etc. based on athletic participation.

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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2019, 09:50:09 AM »
Would be awesome if MU could land the next Terry Porter.

Pedant time:  Terry Porter was not a D3 athlete.  UWSP was a NAIA school at the time (back when the NCAA allowed NAIA schools to be members of the same conference).  As an NAIA school, Porter *may* have been eligible to receive athletic aid, and even then, those schools tend to be a little fast and loose with the rules.  That's the main reason the NCAA eventually forced the WSUC (now WIAC) schools to make a choice between NCAA and NAIA membership.
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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2019, 10:17:56 AM »
Until Marquette runs Wojo off to give the job to Chad Harris, ostracizing the Wojciechowski family and insuring his son will end up leading Boston College (by way of LMU) to a national title.

My understanding is the Bennett's harbor more more ill-will towards Indiana for the treatment of Kathi than they do for Marquette for ignoring KO's advice and not hiring Dick in 1994.
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« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2019, 11:10:52 AM »
My understanding is the Bennett's harbor more more ill-will towards Indiana for the treatment of Kathi than they do for Marquette for ignoring KO's advice and not hiring Dick in 1994.

I was referring to the ill will the Bennetts harbor toward UW-Madison & the Platteville Posse. I'm taking the metaphor to mean Dick Bennett is to Steve Wojciechowski as UW-Madison is to Marquette.

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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2019, 11:14:39 AM »
I was referring to the ill will the Bennetts harbor toward UW-Madison & the Platteville Posse. I'm taking the metaphor to mean Dick Bennett is to Steve Wojciechowski as UW-Madison is to Marquette.

Gotcha.  I'm never really sure what to believe with the Bennetts / UW as Tony did a year or two on the bench with Bo before WSU.
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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2019, 11:35:19 AM »
My understanding is the Bennett's harbor more more ill-will towards Indiana for the treatment of Kathi than they do for Marquette for ignoring KO's advice and not hiring Dick in 1994.

Fired her, I think, while she was undergoing cancer treatment. Supposedly TB has never considered them because of this.

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« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2019, 11:46:36 AM »
Pedant time:  Terry Porter was not a D3 athlete.  UWSP was a NAIA school at the time (back when the NCAA allowed NAIA schools to be members of the same conference).

FWIW, the school's website says Porter was a Division III All-American in 1985 (and also an NAIA All-American in 1984 and 1985).
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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2019, 06:19:58 PM »
Hutcherson has canceled his visit to Marquette

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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2019, 06:22:26 PM »
That could mean two things. ;-( ;-)

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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2019, 08:22:39 PM »
Seems like they are usually eligible right away, but there are exceptions. From the NCAA website:

One-time transfer exception: If you transfer from a four-year school, you may be immediately eligible to compete at your new school if you meet ALL the following conditions:

You are transferring to a Division II or III school, or you are transferring to a Division I school in any sport other than baseball, men's or women's basketball, football (Football Bowl Subdivision) or men’s ice hockey. If you are transferring to a Division I school for any of the previously-listed sports, you may be eligible to compete immediately if you were not recruited by your original school and you have never received an athletics scholarship.

You are academically and athletically eligible at your previous four-year school.

You receive a transfer-release agreement from your previous four-year school.


Conjunction Junction, y’all. D-III doesn’t have scholarships, but they do recruit. 
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Re: D3 Transfer possibility
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2019, 01:54:41 PM »
Hutcherson cancelled his visit to Marquette.
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« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2019, 02:53:07 PM »
Not that anyone asked, but here's where I generally come down on DII/III transfers to DI: Why doesn't it happen more often?

Occam's razor would suggest that most DII/III players simply aren't good enough for DI, otherwise, they would at least be playing for a low-major somewhere.  The handful of kids who are good enough are likely making a choice to go to a DII/III school for academic or personal/family reasons as opposed to riding the pine on a partial scholarship at Centenary or Oral Roberts.

For lack of a better example, look at Rob Jeter... he could have easily started at any low-major, perhaps some mid-majors, but somehow got conned into playing for Coach Feratu at UW-Platteville (though did win a D-III championship).

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In short, DII/III isn't a stepping stone to high-major D-I like JUCO can be.... JUCO is a matter of kids being good enough fro D-I on the court but not good enough on their transcript.  If you can't qualify D-I, you won't qualify D-II/III either.

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« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2019, 02:55:53 PM »
Pedant time:  Terry Porter was not a D3 athlete. 

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« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2019, 03:23:50 PM »
FWIW, the school's website says Porter was a Division III All-American in 1985 (and also an NAIA All-American in 1984 and 1985).

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So can you tell me how this is the case considering UWSP was an NAIA member until well after Porter left campus?  He was on the teams that made the 1983, 84 and 85 NAIA tournaments - his sophomore, junior and senior years.

I'm not being a smartass here.  I just don't understand how that works.  Did NAIA players qualify for D3 All American teams because they played in a conference with other D3 schools?
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« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2019, 03:54:28 PM »
Not that anyone asked, but here's where I generally come down on DII/III transfers to DI: Why doesn't it happen more often?

Occam's razor would suggest that most DII/III players simply aren't good enough for DI, otherwise, they would at least be playing for a low-major somewhere.  The handful of kids who are good enough are likely making a choice to go to a DII/III school for academic or personal/family reasons as opposed to riding the pine on a partial scholarship at Centenary or Oral Roberts.

For lack of a better example, look at Rob Jeter... he could have easily started at any low-major, perhaps some mid-majors, but somehow got conned into playing for Coach Feratu at UW-Platteville (though did win a D-III championship).

In short, DII/III isn't a stepping stone to high-major D-I like JUCO can be.... JUCO is a matter of kids being good enough fro D-I on the court but not good enough on their transcript.  If you can't qualify D-I, you won't qualify D-II/III either.

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I think you laid it out very well.

There are 351 D1 Schools and over 1,000 kids recruited for those positions each year.  Then there are kids that from an athletic standpoint  bounce around that bottom part of D1 and instead will elect to go to DII where there are 64 more scholarship schools. As pointed out the kids who cannot qualify academically go JUCO.  So pretty much anyone who is qualified from a basketball standpoint can land somewhere on the spectrum of athletic  scholarship providing schools ( DI, DII or JUCO)

Conversely, there are kids who are decent performing students will explore the attractive higher end DIII schools and use their athletic credential to gain admission.  Some of these kids can make the bottom end of low major D! roster but not play much. So being the man at top NESCAC school is much more attractive.

Very rare for a DIII  basketball player to have the  overall athletic ability to play at a DI high major. There are occasionally  DII kids who have matured late physically and have made the move up to the high major level after excelling in DII.  We had two great examples of that recently in the Big East in Max Struss and Zach Hankins.

There was also a case a few years back of a kid that Michigan State had recruited with some fan fare, who did not play much his first three years,  who elected to move down to DIII for his senior season because he wanted to actually have a college basketball experience.
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« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2019, 07:08:06 PM »

So can you tell me how this is the case considering UWSP was an NAIA member until well after Porter left campus?  He was on the teams that made the 1983, 84 and 85 NAIA tournaments - his sophomore, junior and senior years.

I'm not being a smartass here.  I just don't understand how that works.  Did NAIA players qualify for D3 All American teams because they played in a conference with other D3 schools?


Oh, I know you don't understand.

NABC can help you..

https://nabc.prestosports.com/awards/all_america/division_III/1980

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