NFL Thread 2019-2020

[BM1090]

Josh Gordon suspended indefinitely. Again.

Guessing that's a career ender.

[Billy Hoyle]

Josh Gordon suspended indefinitely. Again.

Guessing that's a career ender.

Gordon and his persistent pot problem signing with Seattle, home of legal weed (something I support but the NFL does not). Wow, who didn't see that coming?

Next stop: Vegas Raiders.

[Billy Hoyle]

November....2018...last time Cam won a NFL regular season game.  Busted up Cam is worth zero wins.  Playable Cam, per Panthers, was also worth zero wins.

two games they played with him. Hardly a fair sample size.

And it looks like Brandon Allen is no longer the future of the franchise:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28314089/panthers-go-grier-qb-colts

[Pakuni]

Gordon and his persistent pot problem signing with Seattle, home of legal weed (something I support but the NFL does not). Wow, who didn't see that coming?

Next stop: Vegas Raiders.

There are zero cities in which an NFL player would struggle to acquire weed.

[Billy Hoyle]

There are zero cities in which an NFL player would struggle to acquire weed.

agree, but when there are dispensaries all over the place it makes it a hell of a lot easier for someone like Gordon.

[Dish]

Just gonna throw these out there for discussion's sake, my best value bets heading into season. All lines from Bovada. I don't necessarily predict these things will happen, but like the value.

Bills +300 to make playoffs

I like their schedule, they honestly should start 3-0, and then get the Pats at home. Josh Allen was sneaky good down the stretch last year.

Offensive Rookie of the Year - Miles Sanders +1600

I'm not buying Kyler Murray stock in 2019, I think the Cardinals are going to be a train wreck. I think Sanders becomes the lead back in Philly in an offense that will be putting up leads early and he'll get a big workload.

Vikings +240 to win NFC North

I won't be surprised at who wins the North, but there's too much value here to ignore.

Texans +285 to win AFC South

This is my favorite on the board. Is Andrew Luck ok? Even if he is ok, are the Colts that much better than the Texans?  Duke Johnson might be better than Lamar Miller, or the Texans have the cap space to trade for Melvin Gordon.

I wish I had actually bet some of these.

[StillAWarrior]

Damn. That Colts TD knocked me out of my fantasy league. I entered the night 10.1 points behind and only the Saints D left in action. The shutout with one sack would have won it for me.

Damn.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I'm somehow in the finals with my ragtag team that have been hurt off and on all year. Probably going into the finals without Dalvin Cook though...

[Dr. Blackheart]

Gordon and his persistent pot problem signing with Seattle, home of legal weed (something I support but the NFL does not). Wow, who didn't see that coming?

Next stop: Vegas Raiders.

ESPN said it was "performance enhancing drugs".  Other than the Tombstone Eating Competition, I don't think this one was on the Holy Herb.

[MU82]

two games they played with him. Hardly a fair sample size.

And it looks like Brandon Allen is no longer the future of the franchise:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28314089/panthers-go-grier-qb-colts

His name is Kyle Allen, and he has been quite horrible most of the second half of the season. Might as well take a look at the kid they drafted in the third round (Will Grier out of WVU). Along with McCaffrey setting more records, the Panthers have nothing else to play for.

The Panthers have an interesting choice. If they are convinced that Cam has healed well from surgery and that he can be anything close to the old Cam, $21 million is actually a decent price for a franchise QB. If they are convinced he is not the right guy for the future, they can cut him and save about $19 from the salary cap.

Allen has had a few good games, but he is mistake prone -- he is Cutler/Trubisky, without the howitzer arm. If you are serious about winning next season, not sure how you can go into it with Allen at QB. If you are into the tanking thing, sure, go with him or Grier.

[withoutbias]

So, after this post about how okay it is to admit you are wrong (despite me asking a question...), will we see Cheeks, you know, actually admit he is wrong for once?

Wrong about post count (you're up over 6,500, not down at 4,400 or whatever it was).  Wrong about being here a "limited" amount of time.  Unless 6,500...or hell, even 4,400...posts in just over a year is "limited" for Cheeks.  Then I will be the one to admit I was wrong here.  But, that seems like an ABSURD amount of time spent on Scoop, and this is coming from someone who already spends an absurd amount of time on MUScoop.

Can the man do it?  Will he admit he was wrong?

Stay tuned.  (Actually don't, because Cheeks will conveniently ignore this post.  Maybe he's at the broadcast center today and had his phone, computer, etc. confiscated.)

Absolutely hysterical. Cheeks, that's right, CHEEKS of all people, lectures somebody else on it being okay to admit you are wrong. All while Cheeks is the one who is wrong! And when called out on being wrong and asked if he will admit he is wrong given his lecture, does Cheeks do so? Of course he's nowhere to be found in the thread!

Let me guess, DirecTV confiscated his phone and blocked the NFL thread!

Cheeks is a joke.

I honestly feel bad for the guy. His need to name drop overcomes his need to focus on his family as his love letter he posted on here claimed.

[Cheeks]

So, after this post about how okay it is to admit you are wrong (despite me asking a question...), will we see Cheeks, you know, actually admit he is wrong for once?

Wrong about post count (you're up over 6,500, not down at 4,400 or whatever it was).  Wrong about being here a "limited" amount of time.  Unless 6,500...or hell, even 4,400...posts in just over a year is "limited" for Cheeks.  Then I will be the one to admit I was wrong here.  But, that seems like an ABSURD amount of time spent on Scoop, and this is coming from someone who already spends an absurd amount of time on MUScoop.

Can the man do it?  Will he admit he was wrong?

Stay tuned.  (Actually don't, because Cheeks will conveniently ignore this post.  Maybe he's at the broadcast center today and had his phone, computer, etc. confiscated.)

Not sure why you say for once?  I have admitted I am wrong countless times here.

Happy to do it again here.  I explained, on the posts under the name in the thread it says 4400...happy to provide a screenshot.  Apparently other posts are added to the total of you go elsewhere in Scoop to get a more complete total.  Happy to admit I am wrong on that, but hope you also understand when it lists posts under my name at 4,400 you can see why I said 4,400 because it says...4,400.  I appreciate you pointing out that the number displayed is incorrect there and you need to go to a different part to get the true number.


Didn't ignore the post at all.  You going to apologize for that and say you were wrong?  LOL.

[Cheeks]

Absolutely hysterical. Cheeks, that's right, CHEEKS of all people, lectures somebody else on it being okay to admit you are wrong. All while Cheeks is the one who is wrong! And when called out on being wrong and asked if he will admit he is wrong given his lecture, does Cheeks do so? Of course he's nowhere to be found in the thread!

Let me guess, DirecTV confiscated his phone and blocked the NFL thread!

Cheeks is a joke.

I honestly feel bad for the guy. His need to name drop overcomes his need to focus on his family as his love letter he posted on here claimed.

You have made your position well known here, your attacks regarding a deeply personal time in my life and totally misstating it were pretty sickening and you continue to do it, but it is what it is with you.

God bless.

[tower912]

Mutterings that Stafford may be done.    Lions may be in the QB market.    Whoever they sign... poor bastard.   

[The Sultan]

Done as in retiring, either due to injury or to Barry Sanderitis? 

[JWags85]

Done as in retiring, either due to injury or to Barry Sanderitis?

31, $200MM in cash contract earnings alone, 3 young kids and a wife who has been battling some gnarly health issues this year, in addition to his nagging injuries?  Measured against playing another few seasons with a team and franchise with no direction and horrible ownership?  I completely get the argument for him pulling a Sanders/Megatron

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

31, $200MM in cash contract earnings alone, 3 young kids and a wife who has been battling some gnarly health issues this year, in addition to his nagging injuries?  Measured against playing another few seasons with a team and franchise with no direction and horrible ownership?  I completely get the argument for him pulling a Sanders/Megatron

Boy, if Detroit made an all-early retirement team they would be pretty darn good.

[Billy Hoyle]

His name is Kyle Allen, and he has been quite horrible most of the second half of the season. Might as well take a look at the kid they drafted in the third round (Will Grier out of WVU). Along with McCaffrey setting more records, the Panthers have nothing else to play for.

The Panthers have an interesting choice. If they are convinced that Cam has healed well from surgery and that he can be anything close to the old Cam, $21 million is actually a decent price for a franchise QB. If they are convinced he is not the right guy for the future, they can cut him and save about $19 from the salary cap.

Allen has had a few good games, but he is mistake prone -- he is Cutler/Trubisky, without the howitzer arm. If you are serious about winning next season, not sure how you can go into it with Allen at QB. If you are into the tanking thing, sure, go with him or Grier.

Confused Brandon Allen who started briefly and was then benched at Denver with Kyle Allen. Neither are franchise QB's.

[tower912]

His back injury plus family factors might mean it is time to walk away.   But, early days and nothing but rumors.

[withoutbias]

You have made your position well known here, your attacks regarding a deeply personal time in my life and totally misstating it were pretty sickening and you continue to do it, but it is what it is with you.

God bless.

I'm truly sorry you lost someone close to you.  That always sucks.

I wouldn't bother you for your antics if you didn't come on here telling everyone you found the true meaning and purpose to life and that MUScoop is incredibly unimportant and you sincerely apologize for all of your behavior prior to that life changing event for you and that you wouldn't be around here any more.  Why?  Because it took VERY little time for you to be right back here posting non-stop in the exact same manner that you were posting before you wrote that long winded letter.  Literally nothing changed even though you claimed it was this eye opening, life changing event.  You spend all your time on MUScoop antagonizing everyone and then playing the victim.  It's incredibly old.

It's impossibly hard not to look at that letter and think, "Hmm, look at ChicosBailBonds.  His beloved MUScoop banned him for the 876th time and here he is trying to sweep up all of the sympathy he can get in order to remain a member here so as not to be banned for the 877th time because of this horrible life even the went through and now he's a changed man."

Let's be honest.  Nothing about your behavior on MUScoop has changed.  Whether that's true in other aspects of your life only you and those involved in those aspects can know.  But, just like after you once again got banned and once again returned and claimed you would only be around occasionally and not constantly, your words were empty.  Not one thing has changed.  You're the same ChicosBondsman you've always been on MUScoop.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

You spend all your time on MUScoop antagonizing everyone and then playing the victim.

Ayup.

[Cheeks]

Ayup.

Several of Tsmith's last few posts have all been racially charged and he's talking about antagonizing?  Wow.

[Cheeks]

I'm truly sorry you lost someone close to you.  That always sucks.

Because it took VERY little time for you to be right back here posting non-stop in the exact same manner that you were posting before you wrote that long winded letter. 

It actually took quite a long time to come back, not "very little time".  Secondly, no one is saying I'm a victim except for you guys.  I"m just fine.  I give what I get.  There are 1000's of members here I have never said one word to, negative or positive.  I give what I get.  If you attack, yup I'll attack back.  That's being a victim?  Or is it just setting the record straight or giving my POV?  I'll take the latter.

I'm very respectful to people deserving of respect and acting in a respectful manner.  This isn't hard.  Not surprising when I was away, some of the same posters having the measuring contests me were having them with other posters here....which is why I always laugh when I'm accused of being the sole participant.

[Cheeks]

Tower, you happy Patricia is coming back?

[tower912]

It is consistent with history of the Ford family with regard to the Lions.   Not surprised.    Remember, this is the family that held on to Matt Millen from 2001-2008.   I do, however, think that when the hatchet falls, it will be on both Quinn and Patricia.